William Dalrymple January 11, 2008
#186 Posted by zeemax on January 13, 2008 9:45:03 am
Urstruly,
Yes there was no compromise for 60 years, but now the kanjars are on the run.
There's still a choice - take it, or leave it.
If it is violence, the kanjars can never match the other side's violence. Regardless if they bring in F-16s or B-2s.
But we have Pakistan which consists of these 2% kanjars, and there are intermarriages, and relationships.
If they chose, we can retain those. But only if they give up. If they still chose to fight, then it will be very bad.
Yes there was no compromise for 60 years, but now the kanjars are on the run.
There's still a choice - take it, or leave it.
If it is violence, the kanjars can never match the other side's violence. Regardless if they bring in F-16s or B-2s.
But we have Pakistan which consists of these 2% kanjars, and there are intermarriages, and relationships.
If they chose, we can retain those. But only if they give up. If they still chose to fight, then it will be very bad.
#185 Posted by mubakr on January 13, 2008 9:39:44 am
wow!
William Dalrymple's critical thinking is beyond any doubts. he's at his best!
William Dalrymple's critical thinking is beyond any doubts. he's at his best!
#184 Posted by zeemax on January 13, 2008 9:37:50 am
Urstruly,
If you recall It was I who was crying hoarse at the time of the Jamia Hafsa siege that if there's violence here, Pakistan will blow up. I had exactly pointed to Swat and Waziristan. It happened. I had wished Pakistan would not be so stupid.
But it is the way of the elite to discount, to trivialize, to belittle, to dream along in their arrogance that 'we killed them all'.
They only killed the ones in Jamia Hafsa.
That's all I'm going to say for the moment.
If you recall It was I who was crying hoarse at the time of the Jamia Hafsa siege that if there's violence here, Pakistan will blow up. I had exactly pointed to Swat and Waziristan. It happened. I had wished Pakistan would not be so stupid.
But it is the way of the elite to discount, to trivialize, to belittle, to dream along in their arrogance that 'we killed them all'.
They only killed the ones in Jamia Hafsa.
That's all I'm going to say for the moment.
#183 Posted by Urstruly on January 13, 2008 9:27:25 am
Re: # 180 zeemax
If 60 years were not enough to make a compromise, then what makes you think that it can be done now. I think retribution and not compromise is written on the wall. Kanjars do have the fouj on their side, which is pretty miserable these days. Despite 100% support from West and US people of Pakistan have made monkeys out of them.
If 60 years were not enough to make a compromise, then what makes you think that it can be done now. I think retribution and not compromise is written on the wall. Kanjars do have the fouj on their side, which is pretty miserable these days. Despite 100% support from West and US people of Pakistan have made monkeys out of them.
#182 Posted by Urstruly on January 13, 2008 9:27:16 am
Re: # 180 zeemax
If 60 years were not enough to make a compromise, then what makes you think that it can be done now. I think retribution and not compromise is written on the wall. Kanjars do have the fouj on their side, which is pretty miserable these days. Despite 100% support from West and US people of Pakistan have made monkeys out of them.
If 60 years were not enough to make a compromise, then what makes you think that it can be done now. I think retribution and not compromise is written on the wall. Kanjars do have the fouj on their side, which is pretty miserable these days. Despite 100% support from West and US people of Pakistan have made monkeys out of them.
#181 Posted by zeemax on January 13, 2008 9:26:59 am
#178 Posted by tahmed32,
tahmed32, this is neither Nazi Germany, nor Imperial Japan.
This is Islam.
You still haven't seen it's power, and I'm amazed you haven't.
tahmed32, this is neither Nazi Germany, nor Imperial Japan.
This is Islam.
You still haven't seen it's power, and I'm amazed you haven't.
#180 Posted by zeemax on January 13, 2008 9:23:13 am
#177 Posted by Urstruly,
Sigh ... yes Urstruly ... this is correct. But as I said, I want a compromise.
Otherwise, I can see the guillotine parks as you do too. I have been writing about this since Feb 2007.
There is absolutely no way that the kanjars can resist the Islamic movement in Pakistan.
Sigh ... yes Urstruly ... this is correct. But as I said, I want a compromise.
Otherwise, I can see the guillotine parks as you do too. I have been writing about this since Feb 2007.
There is absolutely no way that the kanjars can resist the Islamic movement in Pakistan.
#179 Posted by tahmed32 on January 13, 2008 9:20:47 am
I have to leave the internet now and do some real things. My best wishes to everyone on this board on this fine Sunday, and may you all live to see your great-great-grandchildren prosper in a better world than today, and may anyone disagreeing with me today on anything look back and realize the error of your ways. :-)
#178 Posted by tahmed32 on January 13, 2008 9:13:00 am
#174 zeemax: how can you take seriously someone who goes from one fashion statement (or political statement or whatever), i.e. from tank tops, to another i.e. burqa?
Even the more dangerous forms - i.e. suicide bombings, plane hijackings - are no existential threats to civilization of the kind that Nazi Germany ir Imperial Japan was, for example. They only cause suffering to innocent people who happen to be near them.
btw, the only decent form of dress is one that does not draw attention to the dress or to the wearer - and this friend of yours is merely switching her tactics (i.e. from tank tops to burqa) at drawing attention to her. =
Even the more dangerous forms - i.e. suicide bombings, plane hijackings - are no existential threats to civilization of the kind that Nazi Germany ir Imperial Japan was, for example. They only cause suffering to innocent people who happen to be near them.
btw, the only decent form of dress is one that does not draw attention to the dress or to the wearer - and this friend of yours is merely switching her tactics (i.e. from tank tops to burqa) at drawing attention to her. =
#177 Posted by Urstruly on January 13, 2008 9:10:38 am
Re: # 173
"It doesn't make them non-Pakistanis. "
Sure it does- whenever it suits their agenda it does. Remember, Islamabad school massacre, where thsi corrupt, prowestern, oppressive elite for months raised hue and cry that the mosque is full of foreign terrorists and how after the massacre they were only able to produce one corpse as an evidence of foreign fighters; and whose body was one day later, claimed by his parents who have been Pakistani citizens since forever.
La'anat on their face too who wee claiming that school girls must be killed because they were illegally occupying government property? and how no m/f even cared to apologize when supreme court decalred that the mosque and madrassa both were legally and properly built and ordered this government of vicious dictator to rebuild the whole premises and not only that barred government from using the property for any other use. Big la'anat on all of them for they have committed the ultimate crime of killing innocent children.
You know whet? now society have stopped giving a fine fukk to the issue of who is right and wrong. An existential struggle but what is good in pakistan has begun with what is etrnally evil in Pkistan i.e. a pro-western, corrupt, oppressive elite - the najaiz aulaad of east india company.
"It doesn't make them non-Pakistanis. "
Sure it does- whenever it suits their agenda it does. Remember, Islamabad school massacre, where thsi corrupt, prowestern, oppressive elite for months raised hue and cry that the mosque is full of foreign terrorists and how after the massacre they were only able to produce one corpse as an evidence of foreign fighters; and whose body was one day later, claimed by his parents who have been Pakistani citizens since forever.
La'anat on their face too who wee claiming that school girls must be killed because they were illegally occupying government property? and how no m/f even cared to apologize when supreme court decalred that the mosque and madrassa both were legally and properly built and ordered this government of vicious dictator to rebuild the whole premises and not only that barred government from using the property for any other use. Big la'anat on all of them for they have committed the ultimate crime of killing innocent children.
You know whet? now society have stopped giving a fine fukk to the issue of who is right and wrong. An existential struggle but what is good in pakistan has begun with what is etrnally evil in Pkistan i.e. a pro-western, corrupt, oppressive elite - the najaiz aulaad of east india company.
#176 Posted by zeemax on January 13, 2008 9:08:17 am
#167 Posted by ijaz_gul,
Ijaz I will send you the complete footage of the four shots but I will have to retrieve it. I think it was only on Sky News.
Regards.
Ijaz I will send you the complete footage of the four shots but I will have to retrieve it. I think it was only on Sky News.
Regards.
#175 Posted by zeemax on January 13, 2008 9:08:15 am
#167 Posted by ijaz_gul,
Ijaz I will send you the complete footage of the four shots but I will have to retrieve it. I think it was only on Sky News.
Regards.
Ijaz I will send you the complete footage of the four shots but I will have to retrieve it. I think it was only on Sky News.
Regards.
#174 Posted by zeemax on January 13, 2008 9:02:54 am
#171 Posted by tahmed32,
You have no idea how immensely powerful this movement is. The lady friend I wrote about who used to go around in tank tops and Jeans with a bare mid-riff, now wears a Burqa.
So please do not trivialize. Thanks.
You have no idea how immensely powerful this movement is. The lady friend I wrote about who used to go around in tank tops and Jeans with a bare mid-riff, now wears a Burqa.
So please do not trivialize. Thanks.
#173 Posted by zeemax on January 13, 2008 8:57:47 am
#168 Posted by ana,
Sure ana so you're now a Canadian. That's fine.
And you got me wrong on what I taught you.
We are ALL Pakistanis, with ethnic groups. If I refer to a Christian assassin who is perfect, I could have said a Baluch assassin. It is just identifying the assassin and where he comes from. That's all.
It doesn't make them non-Pakistanis.
Sure ana so you're now a Canadian. That's fine.
And you got me wrong on what I taught you.
We are ALL Pakistanis, with ethnic groups. If I refer to a Christian assassin who is perfect, I could have said a Baluch assassin. It is just identifying the assassin and where he comes from. That's all.
It doesn't make them non-Pakistanis.
#172 Posted by Skeptical on January 13, 2008 8:57:27 am
It was a good article....
And showing some people that it is not necessary that those who "engage" masses really care for masses....
And not every one who criticizes a feudalist woman has to be a bourgeois bastard...
An interesting contrary article was from NFP who thinks that BB was hated because of her love for masses....
You know that BS theme of conservative middle class vs ordinary folk.....
With BB being true voice of the down trodden…..
Materialistic determinism….
History unfolding in a logical pattern where middle class has become instrument of resisting “progressive” march towards self destruction of capitalism….
Blah blah blah…..
And showing some people that it is not necessary that those who "engage" masses really care for masses....
And not every one who criticizes a feudalist woman has to be a bourgeois bastard...
An interesting contrary article was from NFP who thinks that BB was hated because of her love for masses....
You know that BS theme of conservative middle class vs ordinary folk.....
With BB being true voice of the down trodden…..
Materialistic determinism….
History unfolding in a logical pattern where middle class has become instrument of resisting “progressive” march towards self destruction of capitalism….
Blah blah blah…..
#171 Posted by tahmed32 on January 13, 2008 8:55:05 am
zeemax #169 dont get mad at me if i remind you that those "who give up ALL for Islam." in fact need Dr. Sohail's services if they are serious and think that God is some kind of a Pakistani dictator who needs to be worshipped by his chamchas. And if they are not serious - then they are fakes who are abusing people's religious emotions to promote their self-interest.
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