William Dalrymple January 11, 2008
#122 Posted by aquaris on January 13, 2008 5:52:55 am
No his fair color does not implies him being professional or not, but his attitude
"his pictures after the shot and before the blast when every One was in a frenzied scramble, shows how coolly he is inspecting his weapon "
this does , a man after shooting someone has not lost his nerves and is as calm as it is a normal thing to do...
#121 Posted by arjun_4 on January 13, 2008 5:51:24 am
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#120 Posted by tahmed32 on January 13, 2008 5:50:01 am
#117 how does the assassins "fair color" make this a professional job? you lost me there.
#119 Posted by aquaris on January 13, 2008 5:48:41 am
But normally christians living in pakistan are not fair colored, his fair color , suggests someone from Colder climate.....someone from the Northen stretches of the country.
#118 Posted by zeemax on January 13, 2008 5:44:53 am
#114 Posted by hamidm2,
Why do always insist on mis-stating me?
Christain assassins are the very best in this field in Pakistan, and the Police regularly hires their services. There are Pushtoons available too but not that precise. They are crude.
It has nothing to do with Christians as a community. They just have a professional assassination network available if you need them. Their touts are the Punjab Police.
Whenever you hear entire families bumped off in Punjab, with no clue, you can bet it was hired Christian assassins.
Their fees range from Rs 50,000 per target upwards depending upon the difficulty of the assignment.
Why do always insist on mis-stating me?
Christain assassins are the very best in this field in Pakistan, and the Police regularly hires their services. There are Pushtoons available too but not that precise. They are crude.
It has nothing to do with Christians as a community. They just have a professional assassination network available if you need them. Their touts are the Punjab Police.
Whenever you hear entire families bumped off in Punjab, with no clue, you can bet it was hired Christian assassins.
Their fees range from Rs 50,000 per target upwards depending upon the difficulty of the assignment.
#117 Posted by aquaris on January 13, 2008 5:44:12 am
The man was fair colored , wearing designer black glasses and cloths, and was cool as cucumber, his pictures after the shot and before the blast when every One was in a frenzied scramble, shows how coolly he is inspecting his weapon...
.... obviously a highly trained professional
#116 Posted by arjun_4 on January 13, 2008 5:41:58 am
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#115 Posted by zeemax on January 13, 2008 5:38:27 am
... and please do not compare water melons with human skull. The human skull is an extremely hard shell.
Sorry but I saw that later.
Sorry but I saw that later.
#114 Posted by hamidm2 on January 13, 2008 5:38:24 am
Re: # 112
zeemax,
..... so you are saying the christians in pakistan are behind this ? .... they are part of bush's war against islam .... those bastards !
zeemax,
..... so you are saying the christians in pakistan are behind this ? .... they are part of bush's war against islam .... those bastards !
#113 Posted by nasah on January 13, 2008 5:38:20 am
Re: # 107
"Amid nationwide anger over the killing of the opposition leader Benazir Bhutto and a widespread belief that the country’s military or intelligence may have been involved, the population is turning against the army for the first time.(Arjun Mian #4)
it definitely is "first time" for you -- what happened overnight -- your jag jag man man lady did not die of her own volition by the lever of her SUV sunroof....?
So Arjun man man has finally jag jag....:)
"Amid nationwide anger over the killing of the opposition leader Benazir Bhutto and a widespread belief that the country’s military or intelligence may have been involved, the population is turning against the army for the first time.(Arjun Mian #4)
it definitely is "first time" for you -- what happened overnight -- your jag jag man man lady did not die of her own volition by the lever of her SUV sunroof....?
So Arjun man man has finally jag jag....:)
#112 Posted by zeemax on January 13, 2008 5:34:38 am
#109 Posted by ferozk,
Have you seen the gun that was in his hand? Was it a .45? Max it was a .32.
But never mind. Continue with your conversation with the monkey man over calibres of guns. I doubt if you've ever seen one, let alone fire them, and seen the recoil which each calibre makes and the steady hand which was firing it.
Did you see a recoil in the footage?
Have you seen the gun that was in his hand? Was it a .45? Max it was a .32.
But never mind. Continue with your conversation with the monkey man over calibres of guns. I doubt if you've ever seen one, let alone fire them, and seen the recoil which each calibre makes and the steady hand which was firing it.
Did you see a recoil in the footage?
#111 Posted by zeemax on January 13, 2008 5:30:34 am
#108 Posted by ahmedmadani,
No Madani Saheb, I'm just talking about hired assassins. MQM has plenty.I'm not trying to mud MQM's name ...it's just that that guy looked extremely professional and MQM has many in their ranks. He would have done it for money alone, not for any politics of MQM.
That doesn't mean others do not have access to hired assassins, but that guy was no Pushtoon, nor Punjabi, or anything like that. He was probably a Christian. Those are the most efficient hired assassins in Pakistan. Did you know that?
No Madani Saheb, I'm just talking about hired assassins. MQM has plenty.I'm not trying to mud MQM's name ...it's just that that guy looked extremely professional and MQM has many in their ranks. He would have done it for money alone, not for any politics of MQM.
That doesn't mean others do not have access to hired assassins, but that guy was no Pushtoon, nor Punjabi, or anything like that. He was probably a Christian. Those are the most efficient hired assassins in Pakistan. Did you know that?
#110 Posted by zeemax on January 13, 2008 5:24:30 am
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#109 Posted by ferozk on January 13, 2008 4:44:43 am
re: Arjun # 106
I agree, with you. The Colt .45 1911 was designed as the USA's (United States' Army) personal side arm for close quarter defense and was intended to put down a man cold at short ranges.
One of my college buddies was a cop and we once went plunking at watermelons with a .45 and there was no small hole in the watermelon after shooting it....there was no watermelon period!
Same result, with a rifle. Having fired rifles at ranges in the USA, the impact of a high velocity projectile will not leave a neat entry or exist would but would cause massive trauma to human tissue.
I remember a conversation with a US Army Ranger in which he explained how a Japanese soldier was cut into half by a volley of rifle fire. The rifle, I believe was the standard US Army issue - Garand.
If any one is interested in the issue, I would recommend that you Google case studies of doctors, who treated high velocity rifle fire victims during the conflict in Ireland to see what are the characteristics of a rifle wound.
Ciao
I agree, with you. The Colt .45 1911 was designed as the USA's (United States' Army) personal side arm for close quarter defense and was intended to put down a man cold at short ranges.
One of my college buddies was a cop and we once went plunking at watermelons with a .45 and there was no small hole in the watermelon after shooting it....there was no watermelon period!
Same result, with a rifle. Having fired rifles at ranges in the USA, the impact of a high velocity projectile will not leave a neat entry or exist would but would cause massive trauma to human tissue.
I remember a conversation with a US Army Ranger in which he explained how a Japanese soldier was cut into half by a volley of rifle fire. The rifle, I believe was the standard US Army issue - Garand.
If any one is interested in the issue, I would recommend that you Google case studies of doctors, who treated high velocity rifle fire victims during the conflict in Ireland to see what are the characteristics of a rifle wound.
Ciao
#108 Posted by ahmedmadani on January 13, 2008 4:19:36 am
Re: # 104 I do not buy speculation. You again trying to mud name of MQM, no reason for that.There is no evidence of MQM connection even remotely.Specially in such charged atmosphere make such speculation is very irresponsible.Have good night sleep, bye
#107 Posted by arjun_4 on January 13, 2008 4:15:09 am
Angry Pakistanis turn against army
IT IS the most expensive - and talked about - property development in Pakistan, but few can get near it. Hidden behind barbed wire, the new state-of-the-art army headquarter to replace a garrison in Rawalpindi is costing a reputed £1 billion and will cover 2,400 acres of prime land in Islamabad, including lakes, a residential complex, schools and clinics.
Originally intended to represent the best of Pakistan, the new army HQ is now being seen as a symbol of all that is wrong with the country.
Amid nationwide anger over the killing of the opposition leader Benazir Bhutto and a widespread belief that the country’s military or intelligence may have been involved, the population is turning against the army for the first time.
From the wailing rice-pickers at Bhutto’s grave in the dusty village of Garhi Khuda Bakhsh in the southern province of Sindh to the western-educated elite sipping whisky and soda in the drawing rooms of Lahore, the message is the same: General Pervez Musharraf, the president, must go and the army must return to its barracks.
Feelings are running so high that officers have been advised not to venture into the bazaar in uniform for fear of reprisals.
For decades children in Pakistan have grown up on text-books glorifying the Pakistani army and glossing over its defeat in three wars and loss of half the country in 1971 (to become Bangladesh). When army chiefs have seized power they have generally been welcomed. The news of Musharraf’s takeover in 1999 was greeted with people handing out sweets. But none of Pakistan’s military rulers have stepped down voluntarily and Musharraf, it seems, is no different, picking an unpopular fight with the country’s judiciary when they tried to take him on.
More than 700 Pakistani soldiers have been killed in the fight in the tribal areas against militants said to be linked to Al-Qaeda, and officers admit that morale has not been so low since they lost Bangladesh in 1971.
“We’re being asked to bomb our own people and shrug it off as collateral damage,” said a Mirage pilot. “I call it killing women and children.”
IT IS the most expensive - and talked about - property development in Pakistan, but few can get near it. Hidden behind barbed wire, the new state-of-the-art army headquarter to replace a garrison in Rawalpindi is costing a reputed £1 billion and will cover 2,400 acres of prime land in Islamabad, including lakes, a residential complex, schools and clinics.
Originally intended to represent the best of Pakistan, the new army HQ is now being seen as a symbol of all that is wrong with the country.
Amid nationwide anger over the killing of the opposition leader Benazir Bhutto and a widespread belief that the country’s military or intelligence may have been involved, the population is turning against the army for the first time.
From the wailing rice-pickers at Bhutto’s grave in the dusty village of Garhi Khuda Bakhsh in the southern province of Sindh to the western-educated elite sipping whisky and soda in the drawing rooms of Lahore, the message is the same: General Pervez Musharraf, the president, must go and the army must return to its barracks.
Feelings are running so high that officers have been advised not to venture into the bazaar in uniform for fear of reprisals.
For decades children in Pakistan have grown up on text-books glorifying the Pakistani army and glossing over its defeat in three wars and loss of half the country in 1971 (to become Bangladesh). When army chiefs have seized power they have generally been welcomed. The news of Musharraf’s takeover in 1999 was greeted with people handing out sweets. But none of Pakistan’s military rulers have stepped down voluntarily and Musharraf, it seems, is no different, picking an unpopular fight with the country’s judiciary when they tried to take him on.
More than 700 Pakistani soldiers have been killed in the fight in the tribal areas against militants said to be linked to Al-Qaeda, and officers admit that morale has not been so low since they lost Bangladesh in 1971.
“We’re being asked to bomb our own people and shrug it off as collateral damage,” said a Mirage pilot. “I call it killing women and children.”
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