Pakistan's Flawed and Feudal Princess

#168 Posted by ana,

ana, I simply hate it when people bracket Pakistanis into the buckets of minorities or ethnicities and such. That breeds discrimination. We're all Pakistanis.

How could I ever forget that it was David Fredericks who taught me the crooning of Englebert Humperdinck, or the Ivan of the 'In Crowd' who taught me Hard Rock guitar of Deep Purple.

But I do apologize if I hurt anyone's sensitivities. If there's anything I hate, this is it.

#160 Posted by hamidm2,

Brother hamidm, I have known exactly the same people too ... who give up ALL for Islam. I had written once about that greatly gifted painter friend of mine who used to go around in Jeans and Tank tops but then stopped painting animate objects and took to calligraphy instead of Qura'an Sura'as. Last time she met me, she said she wanted to paint the 99 names of Allah as noone has ever done before. I believe her. She will.

But I'm not into any dark forces here. I want a compromise. Only then will everyone live happily ever after.

As for me, I will join you anytime on the mile strip if things get really bad.

Promise?

What I have a problem with Zeemax is you assuming what I know over my questioning what you know. And believe me, you know nothing about what I think about those bomber cowards.

But I'll tell you what. you have taught me something valuable today. You have taught me that if Christians are Pakistanis, they do not have to be referred to as Pakistani Christian assassins. They can be referred to as religious extremists, just as our fellow Muslim assassins. Be they the effin' best, or not. Or just plain murderers. No need to bring their faith (hypocritical or not) into it. . . that's it. . . Ah, I like that. I like just being referred to as a Pakistani, as do probably the Christian assassins except that I'm not one anymore, so there goes that idea. . .

The footage I have begins 8 seconds before the shooting and ends well after the suicide blast. Total lenght is 28 seconds.

#159 Posted by ijaz_gul,

Ijaz, there were four, and not three shots by the shooter. The earlier footage showed only three shots, but there's another one which shows four ... by the same shooter. Clear four shots. The first one had a pause, and the footage you have seen is after the pause.

None of those shots hit Benazir's head.

It was a decoy. A cue. It was a sniper who got her, and that's corroborated by the washing of the scene and destruction of evidence so that those four bullets will never be found to determine those were the ones which penetrated her skull and exited; no postmortem to determine the projectile path and angle, and no evidence of how that 5x3cm hole opened in her skull with a .30 calibre Chinese TT pistol which was seen on footage as well as collected from the scene.

PPP claims PTV has footage of suspected persons’ escape

* Awan reiterates demand for UN probe into Benazir’s murder

Staff Report

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) on Friday claimed that state-run Pakistan Television (PTV) had footage in which some people were shown helping suspected persons escape from the crime scene after the December 27 assassination of PPP chairwoman Benazir Bhutto.

PPP Finance Secretary Babar Awan alleged in a news conference here that the government was trying to keep the footage secret and had not shared it with the Scotland Yard team probing Benazir’s assassination. “We (the PPP) demand that the footage be released to national and international TV channels for broadcast,” he said. He said the footage could help investigators identify the real perpetrators of the killing.

Awan, who is also legal counsel for the late PPP chairwoman and her husband Asif Ali Zardari, said the government did not seem serious about the murder probe as it had not even submitted the incident’s challan to the court yet, adding that police is bound to submit the challan along with initial investigation reports within 14 days of an incident. He alleged that the government had prompted “artificial food riots” because of the flour shortage in order to detract people’s attention from real issues. He demanded the investigation be focused on the motive behind Benazir’s killing and the preparation, abetment, actual occurrence, screening of offenders, destruction of evidence and protection of the culprits.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008%5C01%5C12%5Cstory_ 12-1-2008_pg7_52

#159 guns dont kill people. people do. and the musharraf government stands condemned in history for not protecting BB while musharraf himself hides his hide in the green zone.

#156 Posted by ana,

I was talking about professional assassins, not any community.

Like you guys talk about the suicide bombers that oh ... these must be those crazed tribals, when you don't know how many communities they come from.

But I'll tell you this, the best come from Swat. They have blue eyes.

In the same manner, the best professional assassins are Christians in Pakistan, just as the Irish are in the rest of the world.

Do you have a problem with that?

#160

Jesus Rocks!!
Hamidm Saves...Zeemax!!

#158 zeemax: I am not painting christians as a minority - they are a minority. if you dont believe me, stand on a roadside somewhere in Pakistan and ask the passers-by if they are christian, making sure you tally the results on a notebook. soon you will have a crowd around you wondering where the baoo came from....but I digress.

OK, just trying to be funny. lighten up. i am not trying to paint you as anything - just reminding you to stay focussed on the real terrorists (the ones hiding in caves in south waziristan or in the green zone in rawalpindi).

I love Hazrat Jesus and Bibi Maryam (referred to more often in the Quran than any other female, and in the most tender of terms, I may add). And I am sure you do too. :-)

Re: # 155

zeemax,

..... i know better people who have crossed over to the dark side ........ i know of convent educated sons and daughters who have left their parents, their siblings, their wives and their children to join the forces of darkness like the tableeghi jamaat ..... i know a ivy league graduate who said goodbye to his cousins telling them that he would not be seeing them any more since they were non-mehrams ...... i know a guy who drives a mercedes 500S but threw out all the furnitiure in his house and now his guests sit on the floor, eating with their fingers and burping like the followers of some bedouin prophet ........

........ it can happen, so be careful ...... you are on a slippery slope .......

OK Back to theorising.
The pistol used was a 7.62 mm or .303" chinese automatic weapon. Unlike the Colt or Walther it has a high velocity bullet and longer range. It is smaller in size and hence easy to conceal. Having seen the original camera video and run it from frame to frame and worked on layers in photoshop, as well as used the sound wave frequency on the digital player, there were three pistol shots and then a bang. I posted the three best pics on chowk. The second Pic has her hair fluttering.In two of the cases, BBs Hair and Duppatta fluttered and then she fell. Marks of one of the bullet can still be seen across the road between two windows of a double story building. Police say, they found a used bullet near the traffic signal on Murree Road.

As I opined earlier, the big wound on the right is probably because the bullet hit at a tangent and entry/exit points were close by.

These bullets can be made more lethal by sawing off their tip or putting a cross. They become what is called DUM DUM. As they enter and spin, their wake tears tissues, rotates them and make a big exit hole. They are banned under Geneva Convention.
If there was another shooter, the sound does not appear. If he used a silencer, then he could not use a sniper rifle, because its bullet breaks the sound barrier and there is a loud sound. Hence probability of another shooter lies only with a high velocity pistol like a mauser plus a Silencer. Even in this case. the range cannot be more than 50 yards.

As for me, I rule out a second shooter. I have no doubt that the clean shaven man got his target and the suicide bomber his.

#153 Posted by tahmed32,

Why do you want to exclude the Christians? Are they not Pakistanis? When I mentioned Christians, it was in the same breath as anyone else. It is YOU Sir, who is painting Christians as a minority while I don't. They are my best friends and just like Punjabi or Pashtuns or any other. I don't regard them as a minority - period. Never thought of them as one till you guys point it out. There never was a bigger Hero of Pakistan than Cecil Chaudhry in war, or the Benjamin Sisters in culture/music scene. Do you think I don't know how valuable the Christians are to Pakistan?

I resent this attempt at painting me as some sort of a sectarian.

Re: # 154


The way Mush tried to paint the assasination with lever theory is a give away . Also, his blaming BB for her assasination is also a give away that he was sure happy with it!!


I feel that Mush had some deal with the ex-ISI Generals who are actually the middle men for Talibani jirgas, Al-Qaeda leaders and the existing Pak Army!!! Mush also benefitted from the assasination by avenging the humilaition of being forced to announce elections and stepping down as Army chief due to unrelenting pressure by BB.
I am dead sure that this is a Hamid Gul conceived operation conducted by Al Qaeda with a go ahead by Mush.

zeemax:

I am not in Lahore right now. Are you?

What you have described about the Defense Thana is not beyond the realm of disbelief, afterall, corruption is rampant, but I still would not have taken this to the so-called logical conclusion that you did. Nor do I buy the "detail" or "fact" that the "Christian assasins" are the best.

Anyway, I have to go to work now. . .


And no, Zeemax, I did not go to a convent school called St. Joseph's. I went to a school in Lahore where the majority of the students were Muslim. And I knew Muslim girls I could call my best friends. Where was the moralizing in what I said earlier? You can spin your conspiracies but when I tell you that I know Christians who have been beaten up in Lahore for saying amongst a group of Muslims that Jesus is the son of God, you accuse me of moralizing and call me a bimbo? Wah ji wah. My facts make me an effin' bimbo, and yours make you the king of the hill. That is truly frightening. . . .

Good luck in your world.

#149 Posted by hamidm2,

Thanks for the advice my friend hamidm2, which is certainly sincere as I can see.

I am not heading into any darkness. In fact I'm thinking of vacationing in Aacapulco while Pakistan is burning, because I can't prevent that happening.

I'm smarter than you think.