William Dalrymple January 11, 2008
#33 Posted by arjun_4 on January 12, 2008 9:18:31 am
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#34 Posted by Dash_Dot on January 12, 2008 9:22:52 am
Finally an article which tells it as it is!
BUt here is the rub, the only guy who can break this hold the Military-Feudal Complex have over Pakistan is Musharuff. he is an outsider, and indeed has a much greater interest (emotional and intellectual) in ensuring that Pakistan succeeds.
Musharuff is the best that could have happened to Pakistan - he is the first DICTATOR of Pakistan who can seems to be holding the line, the longer he stays the better it is for the pakistan - feudal, military and the rest of the great unwashed cattle.
BUt here is the rub, the only guy who can break this hold the Military-Feudal Complex have over Pakistan is Musharuff. he is an outsider, and indeed has a much greater interest (emotional and intellectual) in ensuring that Pakistan succeeds.
Musharuff is the best that could have happened to Pakistan - he is the first DICTATOR of Pakistan who can seems to be holding the line, the longer he stays the better it is for the pakistan - feudal, military and the rest of the great unwashed cattle.
#35 Posted by Dash_Dot on January 12, 2008 9:24:44 am
Re: # 32
Tahmed32, how dare you sir (finger wagging icon here). How dare you accuse Zeemax the great, the brave, the Most Pious of blasphemy....
Tahmed32, how dare you sir (finger wagging icon here). How dare you accuse Zeemax the great, the brave, the Most Pious of blasphemy....
#36 Posted by tahmed32 on January 12, 2008 9:25:44 am
#34 Dash_Dot: Calling Pakistanis names ("unwashed cattle") demonstrates your attempts to cover up the hollowness of what you write by making this miserable attempt at making yourself appear superior.
#37 Posted by tahmed32 on January 12, 2008 9:27:42 am
#35 forget zeemax. How can you support musharraf even after he has demonstrated that he is in it only for his own self and ego. and gotten hundreds of people killed in the process!!
#38 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 9:29:05 am
#32 Posted by tahmed32,
So, please tell me the reality my friend. Is it CJ Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry?
Is that it?
Let's suppose he's restored yet again ... (he was restored also on 20th July 2007). will that solve your problems?
So, please tell me the reality my friend. Is it CJ Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry?
Is that it?
Let's suppose he's restored yet again ... (he was restored also on 20th July 2007). will that solve your problems?
#39 Posted by Kulharee on January 12, 2008 9:30:53 am
I read this article with great interest until it mentions the “Mexican style ranch”.
#40 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 9:31:27 am
#32 Posted by tahmed32,
Only when US is destroyed will we achieve independence.
I'm convinced of this now. And it's easy to do it.
Only when US is destroyed will we achieve independence.
I'm convinced of this now. And it's easy to do it.
#41 Posted by Dash_Dot on January 12, 2008 9:32:52 am
No Tahmed32, that is not the case - for the great common people of the coutry are the real people. from a purely Elitist Point of view, those who are not a part of the group are that. It was a tongue in cheek comment.....And given the recent press conference of Billawal in Oxford, I am sure that poor guy thinks the same.......just read the transcripts, better still if you can get the whole tape (which I am sure you can get from your men in DC) see his body language.
#42 Posted by tahmed32 on January 12, 2008 9:36:06 am
#38 zeemax: the reality is that the Musharraf has to go. and the reality is that in recognizing the significance of the CJ's stand on the rule of law Pakistanis have proved themselves to be a force to be reckoned with. the reality is, that because of sacrifices made by hundreds of martyred Pakistanis and by thousands of other courageous people - Bush has been left with no choice but to follow the direction set by these Pakistanis and call for free and fair elections.
Musharraf was weak despite his uniform because he had no legitimacy. The Pakistani nation is strong because it has shown "fired the shot heard round the world". That is reality.
Musharraf was weak despite his uniform because he had no legitimacy. The Pakistani nation is strong because it has shown "fired the shot heard round the world". That is reality.
#43 Posted by Dash_Dot on January 12, 2008 9:36:37 am
Re: # 37 Tahmed32, Musharuff is the only one who has safeguarded the interests of Pakistan - the only leader in the last 60 years who has ensured that Paksitan moves forward. All the others sold it down the drain.
Musharuff has the INTERESTS of Pakistan and the common man - not those of the Feudal-Military complex at heart. For him the common man is the real Pakistan adn not the great unwashed (as the Elite consider them to be).
All the actions he has taken is mainly to safe guard the sovereignty of Paksitan. Any other decision, the outcome would have been far different, and we would not be talking about Pakistan like we do now, but perhaps in the same breath as Iraq!
Musharuff has the INTERESTS of Pakistan and the common man - not those of the Feudal-Military complex at heart. For him the common man is the real Pakistan adn not the great unwashed (as the Elite consider them to be).
All the actions he has taken is mainly to safe guard the sovereignty of Paksitan. Any other decision, the outcome would have been far different, and we would not be talking about Pakistan like we do now, but perhaps in the same breath as Iraq!
#44 Posted by Dash_Dot on January 12, 2008 9:38:43 am
Re: # 40 zeemax such wet dreams only lead to more trouble and the creation of more rubble.
Be realistic, man. This is not in the interests of Pakistan. The US is the most benevolent of super-powers the world and man-kind has seen since civilisation started. You are barking up the wrong tree here friend.
Be realistic, man. This is not in the interests of Pakistan. The US is the most benevolent of super-powers the world and man-kind has seen since civilisation started. You are barking up the wrong tree here friend.
#45 Posted by nasah on January 12, 2008 9:39:20 am
"Shukre ada kar rab ka bhaiee
jis nay musharraf gai banaiee"
jis nay musharraf gai banaiee"
#46 Posted by tahmed32 on January 12, 2008 9:39:45 am
DashDot: fair enough. i am not sure what bilawal's body language conveyed - but rather than watch the video i will settle for your interpretation. as far as i am concerned, bilawal should follow his cousin fatima's lead - and call for inner party democracy in the PPP. Then he would be doing a true service to his family and to the nation.
#47 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 9:40:12 am
#44 Posted by Dash_Dot,
US is killing a lot of Muslims.
US is killing a lot of Muslims.
#48 Posted by Dash_Dot on January 12, 2008 9:42:29 am
Re: # 42 CJ is the representative of the Feudal-Military Complex and as such he does what they say - this isthe guy who kept his mouth shut when Nawaz's goons ran amok and ransacked the same SC you are talking about in awe.
This SC will not save your backside if you are not a part of the Feudal-Military-Elite Complex. Forget it. Musharuff is the only guy who can save the fat from frying up every one....
This SC will not save your backside if you are not a part of the Feudal-Military-Elite Complex. Forget it. Musharuff is the only guy who can save the fat from frying up every one....
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