Pakistan's Flawed and Feudal Princess
William Dalrymple January 11, 2008
#1 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 12:41:31 am
Urstruly/Masadi may find this of interest:
US rejects conspiracy theories amid new revelations
ISLAMABAD: The US embassy in Islamabad has termed the reports connecting Washington to an international conspiracy behind Benazir Bhutto’s assassination “completely outrageous and unfounded” amid fresh revelations that the slain leader had established indirect contacts with Dr AQ Khan and Lt-Gen (retd) Hamid Gul shortly before her death.
US embassy spokesperson Elizabeth Colton, in response to written questions sent by The News on Wednesday, described the assassination as a tragedy for Pakistan and the whole world and said, “The suggestion of US involvement is completely outrageous and unfounded.”
Ms Colton was asked to comment on the growing perception in Pakistan that Ms Bhutto’s killing was part of an international conspiracy to which the US was said to be a leading part with the grand design of destabilising and denuclearising Pakistan.
When asked if Washington had “pressurised” Ms Bhutto to strike a deal with President Musharraf, a fact that has been confirmed by sources in her Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) and also a top presidential aide, Colton said, “Our consistent interest is to see Pakistan succeed as a moderate, democratic country, led by the choice of the Pakistani people. We do not endorse particular candidates or parties. We are ready to work with whomever the Pakistani people choose to lead them.”
When her comments were sought on repeated statements of US presidential candidates raising undue apprehensions about the nuclear programme of Pakistan, she said, “Presidential candidates present a variety of opinions during the campaign seasons, but they are only that — opinions of individuals.”
When asked if the US State Department officials had asked Ms Bhutto not to talk about the restoration of the deposed judges as mentioned by some columnists here, who quoted Ms Bhutto of admitting this fact before her death, Colton said, “The status of the judges is an internal matter for Pakistan to decide. We have repeatedly urged the Government of Pakistan to protect the independence of the judiciary and freedom of the media.”
While the US embassy completely distanced itself from the growing perception in Pakistan that Islamabad was facing a serious international conspiracy to denuclearise Pakistan, a source having close relations with the slain chairperson of the PPP told this correspondent that Ms Bhutto had been punished for changing the script of the international conspirators as she wanted to save Pakistan from any damage.
The source, while referring to his meeting with Benazir shortly before her death, revealed that after her return to Pakistan ending her nine-year exile she had changed her policy and started distancing herself from what some leading world capitals wanted her to pursue.
Not only that she had developed indirect contacts with the likes of Baitullah Mehsud in South Waziristan as reported already to pursue a peaceful negotiated settlement of extremism instead of using force or letting any foreign country intervene, and also sent separate messages to both Dr AQ Khan and Hamid Gul.
The source also shared the names of two of the messengers but requested not to make these public. He said Gul, who was one of the four persons nominated by Ms Bhutto in her October 2007 letter sent to the president in case she was killed, was conveyed that Ms Bhutto was under pressure to include the former ISI chief’s name in the list.
Similarly, Dr AQ Khan, the source claimed, was conveyed to forget about her earlier statement that when in power she would give the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) access to the father of Pakistan’s nuclear bomb, who is under house arrest for more than four years.
Although, Dr AQ Khan or any of his immediate relation was not accessible to media persons to confirm such an indirect contact, the source said Benazir got back a message from the scientist, who was quoted to have said, “I consider you more than a daughter.”
Gul confirmed that he received Benazir’s message from two different sources associated with the PPP. He said he was told that Benazir did not want to include his name in the list of four, who were after her life.
The last message that he received, Gul disclosed, was delivered to him on December 24, three days before the assassination of Ms Bhutto. “The messenger told me that Benazir stated that Gen Sahib (Gul) would know what pressures she was referring to,” Gul said.
He said according to his information, Ms Bhutto had changed the script of the influential world capitals and for this very crime, she was assassinated. The former ISI chief, while offering himself for testimony before an independent commission comprising respected retired Supreme Court judges, said he had the conviction that Ms Bhutto was made a scapegoat by the international players conspiring against Pakistan.
Saying that Benazir’s killing was done in an extremely sophisticated and professional manner, he stated that to his reckoning it was a Mossad operation. He said knowing well that a popular leader like Ms Bhutto could not get along with Musharraf in the government, the international powers pressurised both sides to strike a deal. “It was nothing less than a dream theme but still done to assassinate Ms Bhutto to cause destabilisation in Pakistan.”
Referring to the statements of the US presidential candidates and the latest utterance of ElBaradei, the IAEA chief, Gul said all this was being done under the greater design against Pakistan’s nuclear programme.
PPP spokesman Farhatullah Babar, when approached, denied that Ms Bhutto had made any recent contact with Gul, adding that once Gul contacted her but she did not talk to him. He said to his knowledge, there was also no such contact made with Dr AQ Khan but he promised that he would get back to The News after ascertaining this fact from the quarters concerned.
(http://www.thenews.com.pk/print3.asp?id=12222)
US rejects conspiracy theories amid new revelations
ISLAMABAD: The US embassy in Islamabad has termed the reports connecting Washington to an international conspiracy behind Benazir Bhutto’s assassination “completely outrageous and unfounded” amid fresh revelations that the slain leader had established indirect contacts with Dr AQ Khan and Lt-Gen (retd) Hamid Gul shortly before her death.
US embassy spokesperson Elizabeth Colton, in response to written questions sent by The News on Wednesday, described the assassination as a tragedy for Pakistan and the whole world and said, “The suggestion of US involvement is completely outrageous and unfounded.”
Ms Colton was asked to comment on the growing perception in Pakistan that Ms Bhutto’s killing was part of an international conspiracy to which the US was said to be a leading part with the grand design of destabilising and denuclearising Pakistan.
When asked if Washington had “pressurised” Ms Bhutto to strike a deal with President Musharraf, a fact that has been confirmed by sources in her Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) and also a top presidential aide, Colton said, “Our consistent interest is to see Pakistan succeed as a moderate, democratic country, led by the choice of the Pakistani people. We do not endorse particular candidates or parties. We are ready to work with whomever the Pakistani people choose to lead them.”
When her comments were sought on repeated statements of US presidential candidates raising undue apprehensions about the nuclear programme of Pakistan, she said, “Presidential candidates present a variety of opinions during the campaign seasons, but they are only that — opinions of individuals.”
When asked if the US State Department officials had asked Ms Bhutto not to talk about the restoration of the deposed judges as mentioned by some columnists here, who quoted Ms Bhutto of admitting this fact before her death, Colton said, “The status of the judges is an internal matter for Pakistan to decide. We have repeatedly urged the Government of Pakistan to protect the independence of the judiciary and freedom of the media.”
While the US embassy completely distanced itself from the growing perception in Pakistan that Islamabad was facing a serious international conspiracy to denuclearise Pakistan, a source having close relations with the slain chairperson of the PPP told this correspondent that Ms Bhutto had been punished for changing the script of the international conspirators as she wanted to save Pakistan from any damage.
The source, while referring to his meeting with Benazir shortly before her death, revealed that after her return to Pakistan ending her nine-year exile she had changed her policy and started distancing herself from what some leading world capitals wanted her to pursue.
Not only that she had developed indirect contacts with the likes of Baitullah Mehsud in South Waziristan as reported already to pursue a peaceful negotiated settlement of extremism instead of using force or letting any foreign country intervene, and also sent separate messages to both Dr AQ Khan and Hamid Gul.
The source also shared the names of two of the messengers but requested not to make these public. He said Gul, who was one of the four persons nominated by Ms Bhutto in her October 2007 letter sent to the president in case she was killed, was conveyed that Ms Bhutto was under pressure to include the former ISI chief’s name in the list.
Similarly, Dr AQ Khan, the source claimed, was conveyed to forget about her earlier statement that when in power she would give the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) access to the father of Pakistan’s nuclear bomb, who is under house arrest for more than four years.
Although, Dr AQ Khan or any of his immediate relation was not accessible to media persons to confirm such an indirect contact, the source said Benazir got back a message from the scientist, who was quoted to have said, “I consider you more than a daughter.”
Gul confirmed that he received Benazir’s message from two different sources associated with the PPP. He said he was told that Benazir did not want to include his name in the list of four, who were after her life.
The last message that he received, Gul disclosed, was delivered to him on December 24, three days before the assassination of Ms Bhutto. “The messenger told me that Benazir stated that Gen Sahib (Gul) would know what pressures she was referring to,” Gul said.
He said according to his information, Ms Bhutto had changed the script of the influential world capitals and for this very crime, she was assassinated. The former ISI chief, while offering himself for testimony before an independent commission comprising respected retired Supreme Court judges, said he had the conviction that Ms Bhutto was made a scapegoat by the international players conspiring against Pakistan.
Saying that Benazir’s killing was done in an extremely sophisticated and professional manner, he stated that to his reckoning it was a Mossad operation. He said knowing well that a popular leader like Ms Bhutto could not get along with Musharraf in the government, the international powers pressurised both sides to strike a deal. “It was nothing less than a dream theme but still done to assassinate Ms Bhutto to cause destabilisation in Pakistan.”
Referring to the statements of the US presidential candidates and the latest utterance of ElBaradei, the IAEA chief, Gul said all this was being done under the greater design against Pakistan’s nuclear programme.
PPP spokesman Farhatullah Babar, when approached, denied that Ms Bhutto had made any recent contact with Gul, adding that once Gul contacted her but she did not talk to him. He said to his knowledge, there was also no such contact made with Dr AQ Khan but he promised that he would get back to The News after ascertaining this fact from the quarters concerned.
(http://www.thenews.com.pk/print3.asp?id=12222)
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#2 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 2:12:46 am
Author,
When I interviewed Abdul Rashid Ghazi in the Islamabad Red Mosque shortly before his death in the storming of the complex in early July, he returned over and again to these central issues of social justice: “We want our rulers to be honest people,” he repeated. “But now the rulers are living a life of luxury while thousands of innocent children have empty stomachs and can’t even get basic necessities.”
This is the reason for the rise of the Islamists in Pakistan, and why so many people support them: they are the only force capable of taking on the country’s landowners and their military cousins.
Thank you for mentioning that great man, Abdul Rashid Ghazi. But a major correction is needed here. He wasn't democratic, because he knew democracy does not deliver social justice, and the increase of votes of the politico-Islamists in 2002 had nothing to do with social justice but everything to do with the Afghan invasion and anti-Americanism. This time around, the votes of the politico-Islamists will be much less - not more - because they have been discredited as collaborators.
What Abdul Rashid Ghazi was talking about was revolution, and that is what is inevitable after storming of Lal Masjid just as he had foretold in his last few media appearances under siege.
But it is is true this is the only force capable of taking on the firmly entrenched 'establishment', on the latter's own terms, which is 'violence', not 'votes'.
(.... nowhere hinted above they had anything to do with Benazir's assassination as she herself said many times it was not going to be them who will kill her, plus my previous post below)
When I interviewed Abdul Rashid Ghazi in the Islamabad Red Mosque shortly before his death in the storming of the complex in early July, he returned over and again to these central issues of social justice: “We want our rulers to be honest people,” he repeated. “But now the rulers are living a life of luxury while thousands of innocent children have empty stomachs and can’t even get basic necessities.”
This is the reason for the rise of the Islamists in Pakistan, and why so many people support them: they are the only force capable of taking on the country’s landowners and their military cousins.
Thank you for mentioning that great man, Abdul Rashid Ghazi. But a major correction is needed here. He wasn't democratic, because he knew democracy does not deliver social justice, and the increase of votes of the politico-Islamists in 2002 had nothing to do with social justice but everything to do with the Afghan invasion and anti-Americanism. This time around, the votes of the politico-Islamists will be much less - not more - because they have been discredited as collaborators.
What Abdul Rashid Ghazi was talking about was revolution, and that is what is inevitable after storming of Lal Masjid just as he had foretold in his last few media appearances under siege.
But it is is true this is the only force capable of taking on the firmly entrenched 'establishment', on the latter's own terms, which is 'violence', not 'votes'.
(.... nowhere hinted above they had anything to do with Benazir's assassination as she herself said many times it was not going to be them who will kill her, plus my previous post below)
#4 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 4:06:48 am
Would appreciate HP's comments on #1 as well since it seems to confirm his thesis at-least to the extent on US involvement in everything which goes on in Pakistan.
Thanks.
Thanks.
#5 Posted by hamidm2 on January 12, 2008 4:34:14 am
Re: # 1
zeemax,
........ since you are on a roll, do you think the americans were behid the assasination of hassan and hussain ? ......... was yazid on the cia payroll ?..... and what about jinnah's death - i heard he was poisoned ? ..... and where the heck are my car keys ? ...... i think you and masadi should get together and compare notes .......
zeemax,
........ since you are on a roll, do you think the americans were behid the assasination of hassan and hussain ? ......... was yazid on the cia payroll ?..... and what about jinnah's death - i heard he was poisoned ? ..... and where the heck are my car keys ? ...... i think you and masadi should get together and compare notes .......
#6 Posted by Jahanzeb.Awan on January 12, 2008 4:45:41 am
As one commentator puts it,
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All ’sins’, past ‘deeds’, ‘deals’ and ‘weaknesses’ are washed away, and she will be remembered by majority as a symbol for resistance, democracy and a champion of human rights.
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That is, it seems, the ground reality.
The author, however, must be extended credit for assessing the legancy in a rather 'realistic' manner and has most certainly managed to break off from the general trend of 'blindly praising' Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto (Shaheed)even in areas where we all knew better.
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All ’sins’, past ‘deeds’, ‘deals’ and ‘weaknesses’ are washed away, and she will be remembered by majority as a symbol for resistance, democracy and a champion of human rights.
Unquote
That is, it seems, the ground reality.
The author, however, must be extended credit for assessing the legancy in a rather 'realistic' manner and has most certainly managed to break off from the general trend of 'blindly praising' Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto (Shaheed)even in areas where we all knew better.
#7 Posted by arjun_4 on January 12, 2008 5:08:31 am
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#8 Posted by ijaz_gul on January 12, 2008 5:30:16 am
“She spoke English fluently because it was her first language. She had an English governess, went to a convent run by Irish nuns, and rounded off her education with degrees from Harvard and Oxford”.
I read, write and speak English fluently, was taught by the same Presentation Nuns in school (the school fee even now is a miserly Rs. 1,000/. Then it was Rs.15 and she was the Foreign Minister’s daughter. About 50% students there are subsidised). I also had a stint at Cambridge and belong to a middle class family. Where does that analogy place people like us. Mr. William Dalrymple, this is an insult.
“It was difficult to image any of her neighbouring heads of state- even India’s earnest Sikh economist, Manmohan Singh, talking like this.”
Unlike Singh, she was a young girl still in mid thirtees. Barely in twenties, she survived about eight years in jail, the major part spent in Sukkur, where the temperature in summers touches 50. She often talked like a youngster. I remember when she visited the convent as PM in 1995, she asked for the IMLI from the canteen, Little did she realise that the new generation had moved away from imli to fries and burgers.
“Benazir Bhutto was a courageous, secular, and liberal woman.”
Benazir was a brave women. She was never secular in the western sense. Yes she was very tolerant of other religions, if that is what William Dalrymple means. She was religious, offered prayers five times a day and often meditated in Tahajad. The Benazir of 2007 was a very changed lady.
“But sadness at the demise of this courageous fighter should not mask the fact that as a pro-Western feudal who did little for the poor, she was as much a central part of Pakistan’s problems, as the solution to them.”
Yes from the western perspective, she was indeed part of Pakistan’s problems for the undermentioned reasons.
1. Her father alongwith King Faisal were responsible for the oil embargo of 1973 as a result of which the Gold-Dollar Equation and Americain financial system of post WWII nearly collapsed.
2. Her Father initiated the Nuclar Program.
3. Her father between 1975-77 fostered Ahmad Shah Masood, Hikmatyar, Younis Khalis and Rabbani against the regime of Sardar Daud, who had adopted a very aggressive posture towards Pakistan. These men played the major role in the Afghan War.
4. Benazir accelerated Pakistan’s nuclear program in both her stints as PM.
5. She gave Pakistan the Missile Development Program.
6. The Taliban respected her and still respect her because of her father and Naseer Ullah Babar. Though she did not create them, they listened to her. She never made them the monsters they became. Someone else did.
7. Indeed, if she did establish contact with A Q Khan, she did the right thing.
8. She was killed for verses that sounded bad in the western perspective.
She was a woman with balls of Tungstun Carbide in a man's world
I read, write and speak English fluently, was taught by the same Presentation Nuns in school (the school fee even now is a miserly Rs. 1,000/. Then it was Rs.15 and she was the Foreign Minister’s daughter. About 50% students there are subsidised). I also had a stint at Cambridge and belong to a middle class family. Where does that analogy place people like us. Mr. William Dalrymple, this is an insult.
“It was difficult to image any of her neighbouring heads of state- even India’s earnest Sikh economist, Manmohan Singh, talking like this.”
Unlike Singh, she was a young girl still in mid thirtees. Barely in twenties, she survived about eight years in jail, the major part spent in Sukkur, where the temperature in summers touches 50. She often talked like a youngster. I remember when she visited the convent as PM in 1995, she asked for the IMLI from the canteen, Little did she realise that the new generation had moved away from imli to fries and burgers.
“Benazir Bhutto was a courageous, secular, and liberal woman.”
Benazir was a brave women. She was never secular in the western sense. Yes she was very tolerant of other religions, if that is what William Dalrymple means. She was religious, offered prayers five times a day and often meditated in Tahajad. The Benazir of 2007 was a very changed lady.
“But sadness at the demise of this courageous fighter should not mask the fact that as a pro-Western feudal who did little for the poor, she was as much a central part of Pakistan’s problems, as the solution to them.”
Yes from the western perspective, she was indeed part of Pakistan’s problems for the undermentioned reasons.
1. Her father alongwith King Faisal were responsible for the oil embargo of 1973 as a result of which the Gold-Dollar Equation and Americain financial system of post WWII nearly collapsed.
2. Her Father initiated the Nuclar Program.
3. Her father between 1975-77 fostered Ahmad Shah Masood, Hikmatyar, Younis Khalis and Rabbani against the regime of Sardar Daud, who had adopted a very aggressive posture towards Pakistan. These men played the major role in the Afghan War.
4. Benazir accelerated Pakistan’s nuclear program in both her stints as PM.
5. She gave Pakistan the Missile Development Program.
6. The Taliban respected her and still respect her because of her father and Naseer Ullah Babar. Though she did not create them, they listened to her. She never made them the monsters they became. Someone else did.
7. Indeed, if she did establish contact with A Q Khan, she did the right thing.
8. She was killed for verses that sounded bad in the western perspective.
She was a woman with balls of Tungstun Carbide in a man's world
#9 Posted by hamidm2 on January 12, 2008 5:33:10 am
Re: # 7
arjun,
.......... are you sure that you horrible hindoos didn't do it ?
"Immediately on receipt of the news about the Lahore blast, the TV channels began discussing it. But, by and large, all discussions concentrated on two possible suspects: the United States and the “establishment” working for President Musharraf. No one named Al Qaeda and used bland ambiguity when generally referring to “certain quarters” determined to destabilise and destroy Pakistan. Reference was made to the “big power” which had “arrived in the neighbourhood” and wanted excuses to attack Pakistan to destroy its nuclear assets. There was also veiled reference to “the old enemy next door” who was said to remain set on the goal of annihilating Pakistan. No one mentioned Al Qaeda despite the fact that it too had “arrived” in the neighbourhood and had made its intentions clear about what it would do in Pakistan."
........ the problem with us fuukin pakis is that we are quick to come up with all kinds of conspiracy theories instead of admitting that we might be wet because we simply peed in our pants ..... the reason nobody blames al-qaed is because it is an arabic word and has al-lah's first name attached to it ......
arjun,
.......... are you sure that you horrible hindoos didn't do it ?
"Immediately on receipt of the news about the Lahore blast, the TV channels began discussing it. But, by and large, all discussions concentrated on two possible suspects: the United States and the “establishment” working for President Musharraf. No one named Al Qaeda and used bland ambiguity when generally referring to “certain quarters” determined to destabilise and destroy Pakistan. Reference was made to the “big power” which had “arrived in the neighbourhood” and wanted excuses to attack Pakistan to destroy its nuclear assets. There was also veiled reference to “the old enemy next door” who was said to remain set on the goal of annihilating Pakistan. No one mentioned Al Qaeda despite the fact that it too had “arrived” in the neighbourhood and had made its intentions clear about what it would do in Pakistan."
........ the problem with us fuukin pakis is that we are quick to come up with all kinds of conspiracy theories instead of admitting that we might be wet because we simply peed in our pants ..... the reason nobody blames al-qaed is because it is an arabic word and has al-lah's first name attached to it ......
#10 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 5:47:55 am
#5 Posted by hamidm2,
Just answer the facts revealed in #1.
Why did she send messages to Hamid Gul as well as AQ Khan?
Unless you believe Farhatullah Babar's denial of-course.
Just answer the facts revealed in #1.
Why did she send messages to Hamid Gul as well as AQ Khan?
Unless you believe Farhatullah Babar's denial of-course.
#11 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 5:49:36 am
... of-course #1 is not my opinion. It was published in The News, as well as Dawn, and the entire Urdu press.
#12 Posted by nasah on January 12, 2008 5:57:41 am
finally the real stuff to read -- the ultimate the inevitable white trash of the South East Asian pimpled 'expertise' by Dalrymple the Dictator's Dimple from Delhi.
It had to be spread on Chowk once again -- because for journalistic authenticity one needs to wallow in the real crap -- not in the undigested vomits of the Indian and Pakistani coolie apologistas of an enlightened dictatorship in Islamabad.
Pakistan's Flawed and Feudal Princess killed on her own volition by Pakistan's Nattering Nazi Prince.
It had to be spread on Chowk once again -- because for journalistic authenticity one needs to wallow in the real crap -- not in the undigested vomits of the Indian and Pakistani coolie apologistas of an enlightened dictatorship in Islamabad.
Pakistan's Flawed and Feudal Princess killed on her own volition by Pakistan's Nattering Nazi Prince.
#13 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 6:00:32 am
And hamidm2,
While you're pondering over my earlier questions, you might like to to tell me how either the shrapnel or the gunshots hit her (or she ducked down and hit the lever which is now mute after the footage) when both these bomber/shooter were on her left when she got hit on her right temple.
Think, before you respond.
If you carry on in your usual manner, I will need to resort to my usual 'ice cream' stories as well.
While you're pondering over my earlier questions, you might like to to tell me how either the shrapnel or the gunshots hit her (or she ducked down and hit the lever which is now mute after the footage) when both these bomber/shooter were on her left when she got hit on her right temple.
Think, before you respond.
If you carry on in your usual manner, I will need to resort to my usual 'ice cream' stories as well.
#14 Posted by arjun_4 on January 12, 2008 6:09:39 am
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#15 Posted by tahmed32 on January 12, 2008 6:11:59 am
zeemax #1 as i recall, a few short weeks ago, prior to her death, it was the US supporting her. Now that she has been killed, it is the US that did it.
Thus: In the eyes of many in Pakistan, not a bird can sing and not a bird can drop dead without the US being behind it. So, in the minds of these individuals, the US is clearly no other than Allah Himself. Some would call them such thinking stupid. Others too would call it stupid. All except these individuals themselves who think they are potential Nobel laureates.
Thus: In the eyes of many in Pakistan, not a bird can sing and not a bird can drop dead without the US being behind it. So, in the minds of these individuals, the US is clearly no other than Allah Himself. Some would call them such thinking stupid. Others too would call it stupid. All except these individuals themselves who think they are potential Nobel laureates.
#16 Posted by hamidm2 on January 12, 2008 6:14:52 am
Re: # 10
zeemax,
.... i believe farhatullah babar, but even if bb tried to contact the two criminals, so what? ...... as for aq khan, he is a common thief and a traitor and the pakistan government should have put him on trial for treason and hung him ........ hamid gul belongs in guantanamo - the man is a walking time bomb ......
....... now stop acting like a mad man ........
zeemax,
.... i believe farhatullah babar, but even if bb tried to contact the two criminals, so what? ...... as for aq khan, he is a common thief and a traitor and the pakistan government should have put him on trial for treason and hung him ........ hamid gul belongs in guantanamo - the man is a walking time bomb ......
....... now stop acting like a mad man ........
#17 Posted by tahmed32 on January 12, 2008 6:22:30 am
hamidm #16 hamid gul belongs in Attock fort, not guantanamo. Along with mush as cell-mate. He messed up Pakistan, not the US.
#19 Posted by mohar1l on January 12, 2008 6:56:06 am
zee
Why would US kill BB - makes no sense...
We horrible hinuds have had reasons kill her in past... but not now... now she is the born-again "liberal"... not the jihad princess no more... any case - we are too forgetful to hold the grudge- look at nasah, he practically drooling after the dead lady...
That leaves pakis from the establishment or pakis of your kind, islamic kind... most of the times it's one and the same...
Admit it dude, this was a major victory for yout camp...
Why would US kill BB - makes no sense...
We horrible hinuds have had reasons kill her in past... but not now... now she is the born-again "liberal"... not the jihad princess no more... any case - we are too forgetful to hold the grudge- look at nasah, he practically drooling after the dead lady...
That leaves pakis from the establishment or pakis of your kind, islamic kind... most of the times it's one and the same...
Admit it dude, this was a major victory for yout camp...
#20 Posted by mohar1l on January 12, 2008 7:01:35 am
Re: # 12 nasah
[...white trash...]
that's not very nice, old dude... racist rant from you nasah?... I thought butter doesn't melt in your mouth... so much rage in support of the jihad princess... wow...
don't shoot the messenger dude, face the truth...
[...white trash...]
that's not very nice, old dude... racist rant from you nasah?... I thought butter doesn't melt in your mouth... so much rage in support of the jihad princess... wow...
don't shoot the messenger dude, face the truth...
#21 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 7:02:44 am
#15 Posted by tahmed32,
Unfortunately, that is true.
As Ambassador Tariq Fatemi had put it, "Pakistan's geo-strategic position is a yoke around it's neck".
Unfortunately, that is true.
As Ambassador Tariq Fatemi had put it, "Pakistan's geo-strategic position is a yoke around it's neck".
#22 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 7:05:53 am
#16 Posted by hamidm2,
To you, anyone who tells the truth which is contrary to Bill O' Leary is a madman.
But Hamid Gul is not the only one. I am too. And I have no idea how many others.
To you, anyone who tells the truth which is contrary to Bill O' Leary is a madman.
But Hamid Gul is not the only one. I am too. And I have no idea how many others.
#23 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 7:11:08 am
#19 Posted by mohar1l,
Hinuds are bit players. They're not a 'Nation'.
They can be content with the crumbs of code cooleying and jockeying donkeys in a race with thoroughbreds as long as it lasts.
Hinuds are bit players. They're not a 'Nation'.
They can be content with the crumbs of code cooleying and jockeying donkeys in a race with thoroughbreds as long as it lasts.
#24 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 7:13:17 am
.... #22 Posted by zeemax ... correction.
Bill O' Reilly.
How could I ever confuse that a'hole's last name with the great Timothy O' Leary.
Bill O' Reilly.
How could I ever confuse that a'hole's last name with the great Timothy O' Leary.
#25 Posted by mohar1l on January 12, 2008 7:13:44 am
Re: # 21
Really?... I thought the "geo-strategic" location was pakiland's biggest asset... you are supposed to control everybody around your fingers - US, china, russia with access to your "warm" waters :)
Really?... I thought the "geo-strategic" location was pakiland's biggest asset... you are supposed to control everybody around your fingers - US, china, russia with access to your "warm" waters :)
#26 Posted by mohar1l on January 12, 2008 7:16:17 am
Re: # 23 zee
Forget hinuds... the question is - why don't you own up your major victory?
Forget hinuds... the question is - why don't you own up your major victory?
#27 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 7:32:17 am
#26 Posted by mohar1l,
And which victory is that? If you mean the Benazir assassination, Islamists didn't do it.
And which victory is that? If you mean the Benazir assassination, Islamists didn't do it.
#28 Posted by hamidm2 on January 12, 2008 8:05:08 am
zeemax,
.... you don't want to be on the same side as hamid gul ....... the guy is a megalomaniac and should be locked up in a mental asylum or guantanmo - whichever is closer ........ haven't you noticed his resemblance to saddam hussain, specilly the wild eyes ?
...... anyway, i know there are a lot of pakis who believe in all sorts of conspiracy theories.... there are also a lot of men who beat up their wives and kick their dog because they suffer from ed ...........
#29 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 8:17:06 am
#28 Posted by hamidm2,
You haven't answered my questions in #13 and #10.
You haven't answered my questions in #13 and #10.
#30 Posted by janoo on January 12, 2008 8:21:47 am
Finally an article which talks about the real BB, the corrupt, the feudal and the foolish woman who almost single handedly destroyed Pakistan in her two stints as the prime minister.It would be poetic justice if it's the Taliban who killed her. However, Musharraf and ISI or agencies may not be far from the finger that pulled the trigger that finally killed her.Inna lillahe wa inna ilaihe rajeoon.
#31 Posted by tahmed32 on January 12, 2008 9:03:32 am
#30 janoo: BB was no doubt feudal. She may have been courageous to the point of foolhardiness, but she was no fool. As for being corrupt - this has been a label that Musharraf has used the past decade to justify his illegal rule. The fact is - that if BB was was corrupt - she could have spent a life of ease and leasure in the west. Instead, she chose to return to Pakistan and take risks.
It is time to wake up and see the truly corrupt and criminal individual in Pakistan: namely Musharraf - and military rulers before him - who have committed the ultimate form of corruption by abusing his powers to commit the ultimate crime to destroy the Pakistan Constitution. And thus brought virtual civil war in Pakistan, and killed hundreds of Pakistanis in the process.
It is time to wake up and see the truly corrupt and criminal individual in Pakistan: namely Musharraf - and military rulers before him - who have committed the ultimate form of corruption by abusing his powers to commit the ultimate crime to destroy the Pakistan Constitution. And thus brought virtual civil war in Pakistan, and killed hundreds of Pakistanis in the process.
#32 Posted by tahmed32 on January 12, 2008 9:06:42 am
#21 zeemax: so you too believe in the theory that the US is Allah without whose permission not a bird can fly and not a bird can die in Pakistan??!! I see I am in the company of Intellectual Giants who can see things beyond mere reality!! :-)
#33 Posted by arjun_4 on January 12, 2008 9:18:31 am
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#34 Posted by Dash_Dot on January 12, 2008 9:22:52 am
Finally an article which tells it as it is!
BUt here is the rub, the only guy who can break this hold the Military-Feudal Complex have over Pakistan is Musharuff. he is an outsider, and indeed has a much greater interest (emotional and intellectual) in ensuring that Pakistan succeeds.
Musharuff is the best that could have happened to Pakistan - he is the first DICTATOR of Pakistan who can seems to be holding the line, the longer he stays the better it is for the pakistan - feudal, military and the rest of the great unwashed cattle.
BUt here is the rub, the only guy who can break this hold the Military-Feudal Complex have over Pakistan is Musharuff. he is an outsider, and indeed has a much greater interest (emotional and intellectual) in ensuring that Pakistan succeeds.
Musharuff is the best that could have happened to Pakistan - he is the first DICTATOR of Pakistan who can seems to be holding the line, the longer he stays the better it is for the pakistan - feudal, military and the rest of the great unwashed cattle.
#35 Posted by Dash_Dot on January 12, 2008 9:24:44 am
Re: # 32
Tahmed32, how dare you sir (finger wagging icon here). How dare you accuse Zeemax the great, the brave, the Most Pious of blasphemy....
Tahmed32, how dare you sir (finger wagging icon here). How dare you accuse Zeemax the great, the brave, the Most Pious of blasphemy....
#36 Posted by tahmed32 on January 12, 2008 9:25:44 am
#34 Dash_Dot: Calling Pakistanis names ("unwashed cattle") demonstrates your attempts to cover up the hollowness of what you write by making this miserable attempt at making yourself appear superior.
#37 Posted by tahmed32 on January 12, 2008 9:27:42 am
#35 forget zeemax. How can you support musharraf even after he has demonstrated that he is in it only for his own self and ego. and gotten hundreds of people killed in the process!!
#38 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 9:29:05 am
#32 Posted by tahmed32,
So, please tell me the reality my friend. Is it CJ Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry?
Is that it?
Let's suppose he's restored yet again ... (he was restored also on 20th July 2007). will that solve your problems?
So, please tell me the reality my friend. Is it CJ Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry?
Is that it?
Let's suppose he's restored yet again ... (he was restored also on 20th July 2007). will that solve your problems?
#39 Posted by Kulharee on January 12, 2008 9:30:53 am
I read this article with great interest until it mentions the “Mexican style ranch”.
#40 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 9:31:27 am
#32 Posted by tahmed32,
Only when US is destroyed will we achieve independence.
I'm convinced of this now. And it's easy to do it.
Only when US is destroyed will we achieve independence.
I'm convinced of this now. And it's easy to do it.
#41 Posted by Dash_Dot on January 12, 2008 9:32:52 am
No Tahmed32, that is not the case - for the great common people of the coutry are the real people. from a purely Elitist Point of view, those who are not a part of the group are that. It was a tongue in cheek comment.....And given the recent press conference of Billawal in Oxford, I am sure that poor guy thinks the same.......just read the transcripts, better still if you can get the whole tape (which I am sure you can get from your men in DC) see his body language.
#42 Posted by tahmed32 on January 12, 2008 9:36:06 am
#38 zeemax: the reality is that the Musharraf has to go. and the reality is that in recognizing the significance of the CJ's stand on the rule of law Pakistanis have proved themselves to be a force to be reckoned with. the reality is, that because of sacrifices made by hundreds of martyred Pakistanis and by thousands of other courageous people - Bush has been left with no choice but to follow the direction set by these Pakistanis and call for free and fair elections.
Musharraf was weak despite his uniform because he had no legitimacy. The Pakistani nation is strong because it has shown "fired the shot heard round the world". That is reality.
Musharraf was weak despite his uniform because he had no legitimacy. The Pakistani nation is strong because it has shown "fired the shot heard round the world". That is reality.
#43 Posted by Dash_Dot on January 12, 2008 9:36:37 am
Re: # 37 Tahmed32, Musharuff is the only one who has safeguarded the interests of Pakistan - the only leader in the last 60 years who has ensured that Paksitan moves forward. All the others sold it down the drain.
Musharuff has the INTERESTS of Pakistan and the common man - not those of the Feudal-Military complex at heart. For him the common man is the real Pakistan adn not the great unwashed (as the Elite consider them to be).
All the actions he has taken is mainly to safe guard the sovereignty of Paksitan. Any other decision, the outcome would have been far different, and we would not be talking about Pakistan like we do now, but perhaps in the same breath as Iraq!
Musharuff has the INTERESTS of Pakistan and the common man - not those of the Feudal-Military complex at heart. For him the common man is the real Pakistan adn not the great unwashed (as the Elite consider them to be).
All the actions he has taken is mainly to safe guard the sovereignty of Paksitan. Any other decision, the outcome would have been far different, and we would not be talking about Pakistan like we do now, but perhaps in the same breath as Iraq!
#44 Posted by Dash_Dot on January 12, 2008 9:38:43 am
Re: # 40 zeemax such wet dreams only lead to more trouble and the creation of more rubble.
Be realistic, man. This is not in the interests of Pakistan. The US is the most benevolent of super-powers the world and man-kind has seen since civilisation started. You are barking up the wrong tree here friend.
Be realistic, man. This is not in the interests of Pakistan. The US is the most benevolent of super-powers the world and man-kind has seen since civilisation started. You are barking up the wrong tree here friend.
#45 Posted by nasah on January 12, 2008 9:39:20 am
"Shukre ada kar rab ka bhaiee
jis nay musharraf gai banaiee"
jis nay musharraf gai banaiee"
#46 Posted by tahmed32 on January 12, 2008 9:39:45 am
DashDot: fair enough. i am not sure what bilawal's body language conveyed - but rather than watch the video i will settle for your interpretation. as far as i am concerned, bilawal should follow his cousin fatima's lead - and call for inner party democracy in the PPP. Then he would be doing a true service to his family and to the nation.
#47 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 9:40:12 am
#44 Posted by Dash_Dot,
US is killing a lot of Muslims.
US is killing a lot of Muslims.
#48 Posted by Dash_Dot on January 12, 2008 9:42:29 am
Re: # 42 CJ is the representative of the Feudal-Military Complex and as such he does what they say - this isthe guy who kept his mouth shut when Nawaz's goons ran amok and ransacked the same SC you are talking about in awe.
This SC will not save your backside if you are not a part of the Feudal-Military-Elite Complex. Forget it. Musharuff is the only guy who can save the fat from frying up every one....
This SC will not save your backside if you are not a part of the Feudal-Military-Elite Complex. Forget it. Musharuff is the only guy who can save the fat from frying up every one....
#49 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 9:44:17 am
#42 Posted by tahmed32,
zeemax: the reality is that the Musharraf has to go.
Agreed. And yes he will go. Perhaps in parts wrapped in a shopping bag.
But who will kick him out? Is it your types or the bombers?
zeemax: the reality is that the Musharraf has to go.
Agreed. And yes he will go. Perhaps in parts wrapped in a shopping bag.
But who will kick him out? Is it your types or the bombers?
#50 Posted by tahmed32 on January 12, 2008 9:48:26 am
what do you make of this, nasah/dash/zeemax? Seems like not only were there two gunmen - the police official seems to have accidentally revealed that one of them is in the custody of police!! If true - musharraf government's attempt to hide this fact changes the assassination picture entirely.
Lab confirms 3 shots fired from 2 pistols
ASIF CHAUDHRY (in the Nation)
LAHORE -The Forensic Science Laboratory, Lahore, in its report has confirmed that three bullets were fired from two pistols allegedly used in the assassination of PPP chairperson Benazir Bhutto on December 27...Lab confirms 3 shots fired from 2 pistols
ASIF CHAUDHRY
LAHORE -The Forensic Science Laboratory, Lahore, in its report has confirmed that three bullets were fired from two pistols allegedly used in the assassination of PPP chairperson Benazir Bhutto on December 27.
According to the report, one shot was fired from one pistol and two from the second. The forensic experts also found multiple impressions of finger prints on the two pistols, but recorded in their findings that they were not recognizable due to inadequate handling of the two weapons by the police officials concerned.
Two pistols and three empty shells were sent by the DPO Rawalpindi to the Forensic Science Laboratory for examination. The sources revealed that a senior official of lab briefed the Scotland Yard team about its report at the Chief Minister’s House on Friday. The Scotland Yard team, which was scheduled to visit the Forensic Science Laboratory on Thursday, again cancelled its visit on Friday due to security concerns and got briefing at the CM’s House.
A senior forensic expert told The Nation that the Rawalpindi police officials informed its department that a pistol was recovered from the blast site soon after the bomb-cum-gun attack while another was taken from the possession of a suspected person from the spot. The suspected person was immediately taken to an unknown place by the law-enforcement agencies for interrogation.
http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/jan-2008/12/index7.php
Lab confirms 3 shots fired from 2 pistols
ASIF CHAUDHRY (in the Nation)
LAHORE -The Forensic Science Laboratory, Lahore, in its report has confirmed that three bullets were fired from two pistols allegedly used in the assassination of PPP chairperson Benazir Bhutto on December 27...Lab confirms 3 shots fired from 2 pistols
ASIF CHAUDHRY
LAHORE -The Forensic Science Laboratory, Lahore, in its report has confirmed that three bullets were fired from two pistols allegedly used in the assassination of PPP chairperson Benazir Bhutto on December 27.
According to the report, one shot was fired from one pistol and two from the second. The forensic experts also found multiple impressions of finger prints on the two pistols, but recorded in their findings that they were not recognizable due to inadequate handling of the two weapons by the police officials concerned.
Two pistols and three empty shells were sent by the DPO Rawalpindi to the Forensic Science Laboratory for examination. The sources revealed that a senior official of lab briefed the Scotland Yard team about its report at the Chief Minister’s House on Friday. The Scotland Yard team, which was scheduled to visit the Forensic Science Laboratory on Thursday, again cancelled its visit on Friday due to security concerns and got briefing at the CM’s House.
A senior forensic expert told The Nation that the Rawalpindi police officials informed its department that a pistol was recovered from the blast site soon after the bomb-cum-gun attack while another was taken from the possession of a suspected person from the spot. The suspected person was immediately taken to an unknown place by the law-enforcement agencies for interrogation.
http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/jan-2008/12/index7.php
#51 Posted by Dash_Dot on January 12, 2008 9:49:07 am
Re: # 49 WHy not wait for the next elections and ensure that he does not win the game. Then pension the guy off. that is much better than the blood-curdling thought in #49.
You have to stop somewhere....Blood which is shed is the greatest and most toxic of poisons ever known. It consumes everything it touches and flows over. Why wish for it?
Zeemax you sure do know how to go OTT........
You have to stop somewhere....Blood which is shed is the greatest and most toxic of poisons ever known. It consumes everything it touches and flows over. Why wish for it?
Zeemax you sure do know how to go OTT........
#52 Posted by arjun_4 on January 12, 2008 9:51:04 am
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#53 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 9:51:04 am
#42 Posted by tahmed32,
Did you see the Laathis scattered around drenched in blood and the tear gas shells going off within the boxes over the dead of their owners, who would have fired them on the innocents.
These same Laathis were raining on your Lawyers' heads just a few weeks ago.
You should be grateful.
As I said on my gallery photo, the only innocent in the Lahore bombing was the horse of a tonga which happened to be there.
Did you see the Laathis scattered around drenched in blood and the tear gas shells going off within the boxes over the dead of their owners, who would have fired them on the innocents.
These same Laathis were raining on your Lawyers' heads just a few weeks ago.
You should be grateful.
As I said on my gallery photo, the only innocent in the Lahore bombing was the horse of a tonga which happened to be there.
#54 Posted by Dash_Dot on January 12, 2008 9:53:31 am
It only confirms the the whole story is not knownn. And that the govt has leads which it is investigating.
Trust friend, trust the govt up to a point. It also wants to know the story.
The story of the Bibi death (assassination, murder, or accident) is not fully known nor is it uncovered. (I have to query though as to why AN AUTOPSY WAS NEVER CONDUCTED? For a great person like Bibi to die in such unnatural circumstances would require, nay needs a thorough investigation.
Trust friend, trust the govt up to a point. It also wants to know the story.
The story of the Bibi death (assassination, murder, or accident) is not fully known nor is it uncovered. (I have to query though as to why AN AUTOPSY WAS NEVER CONDUCTED? For a great person like Bibi to die in such unnatural circumstances would require, nay needs a thorough investigation.
#55 Posted by tahmed32 on January 12, 2008 9:53:44 am
#48 Dash Dot: No man is a saint. However, at times when the nation's future is at stake, throughout history men have risen beyond themselves and done truly brave and noble actions.
So - regardless of what the CJ did or didnt do in the past, regardless of what BB did or didnt do, regardless of what NS did or didnt do, regardless of what Asma Jehangir, Imran Khan, Hussain Ahmed (the list goes on) did in the past - the fact is that in falling behind the CJ in calling for the rule of law and respect for the constitution and for the basic rights of all in Pakistan - each one of these indivdiuals (and the thousands of other courageous Pakistanis) have earned a place of honor in Pakistan's history.
So - regardless of what the CJ did or didnt do in the past, regardless of what BB did or didnt do, regardless of what NS did or didnt do, regardless of what Asma Jehangir, Imran Khan, Hussain Ahmed (the list goes on) did in the past - the fact is that in falling behind the CJ in calling for the rule of law and respect for the constitution and for the basic rights of all in Pakistan - each one of these indivdiuals (and the thousands of other courageous Pakistanis) have earned a place of honor in Pakistan's history.
#56 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 9:55:58 am
#50 Posted by tahmed32,
Yaar forget about these forensic reports.
There were four shots, from a single pistol. All missed her head and two went into her bulletproof vest. Two went astray. Okay?
At the same time there was a sniper fire, just one shot, which hit her above the right ear.
In 15 seconds there was the bomb. To destroy the evidence.
That's all.
Yaar forget about these forensic reports.
There were four shots, from a single pistol. All missed her head and two went into her bulletproof vest. Two went astray. Okay?
At the same time there was a sniper fire, just one shot, which hit her above the right ear.
In 15 seconds there was the bomb. To destroy the evidence.
That's all.
#57 Posted by tahmed32 on January 12, 2008 9:56:27 am
#53 zeemax: i saw the laathis lying scattered in pools of blood. i also saw the picture of the lawyers standing together in prayer for the same policemen who had been standing with these laathis ready to beat them. Those policemen who died were our brothers too.
#58 Posted by tahmed32 on January 12, 2008 9:59:21 am
#56 zeemax: forensic reports (properly done) bring out reality. What seems obvious turns out to be not true. That is why it is so important to have a proper investigation - particularly if the government has one of the snipers (per the Naiton report below) in its custody and is not telling!!
#59 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 9:59:28 am
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#61 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 10:04:40 am
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#62 Posted by khurram on January 12, 2008 10:17:38 am
Re: #56, zeemax,
What about the flapping of her scarf, visible in the video, indicating getting shot from the left?
What about the flapping of her scarf, visible in the video, indicating getting shot from the left?
#63 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 10:21:30 am
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#64 Posted by ejazharoon on January 12, 2008 10:30:54 am
Bill (Mr Dalrymple):
I think the disconnect between the late Ben' Bhu's rhetoric and her actions wasn't as wide as her late father's. As I recall, Zulficker Ali Bhutto nationalized other people's money and property but never gave up his vast estates or his business interests.
Ejaz
I think the disconnect between the late Ben' Bhu's rhetoric and her actions wasn't as wide as her late father's. As I recall, Zulficker Ali Bhutto nationalized other people's money and property but never gave up his vast estates or his business interests.
Ejaz
#65 Posted by hamidm2 on January 12, 2008 10:35:56 am
Re: # 40
zeemax,
"Only when US is destroyed will we achieve independence.
I'm convinced of this now. And it's easy to do it. "
......... spoken like a true jihadi - a man who beats his wife and kicks his dog ..... mian ji, get some viagra and stop blaming it on her and the poor dumb beast .......
zeemax,
"Only when US is destroyed will we achieve independence.
I'm convinced of this now. And it's easy to do it. "
......... spoken like a true jihadi - a man who beats his wife and kicks his dog ..... mian ji, get some viagra and stop blaming it on her and the poor dumb beast .......
#66 Posted by ejazharoon on January 12, 2008 10:38:15 am
Guys, all this whodunnit speculation re Ben' Bhu's demise makes you all sound delusional. Who cares? She's dead. I don't care if there were gunmen behind the grassy knoll or if there was a silver bullet fired by Oswald, the fact remains that Ben' Bhu' was no Kennedy (and no Mother Teresa either) and she has now left the building. RIP.
#67 Posted by hamidm2 on January 12, 2008 10:39:29 am
Re: # 63
zeemax,
........ if you know who did it, why don't you tell the rest of us ...... i think you are on a slippery slope to join hamid gul and other crazies ...... holy mother of mo ! what the hell is wrong with you guys !
zeemax,
........ if you know who did it, why don't you tell the rest of us ...... i think you are on a slippery slope to join hamid gul and other crazies ...... holy mother of mo ! what the hell is wrong with you guys !
#68 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 10:43:29 am
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#69 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 10:45:14 am
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#70 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 10:46:10 am
#67 Posted by hamidm2,
I told you my friend, in post #1.
I told you my friend, in post #1.
#71 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 10:49:42 am
But the bomber yes ... Many people say 'He was wearing a white scarf around his head'.
Abey chutyo .... that was a 'Kafan' he was wearing around his head. Sar par Kafan. Got it?
Abey chutyo .... that was a 'Kafan' he was wearing around his head. Sar par Kafan. Got it?
#72 Posted by rf786 on January 12, 2008 11:02:19 am
Writer of this article demonstrates classic gora mentality with Indian infatuation thus everything Pakistan represents has to be bad.
{The building is a giddy pseudo-Mexican ranch house with white walls and a red tile roof. There is nothing remotely Islamic about the building}
Has the writer ever gone too Saudi Arabia or any other Gulf Arab state? Seems not, but this again shows the writers hidden biases.
{She spoke English fluently because it was her first language. She had an English governess, went to a convent run by Irish nuns, and rounded off her education with degrees from Harvard and Oxford.}
So a desi had it better than this moron.
{It was difficult to image any of her neighbouring heads of state- even India’s earnest Sikh economist, Manmohan Singh, talking like this.}
According to the writer poor Indians do not get to eat or like Baskin and Robbins. What a moronic interpretation.
{However the very reasons that make the West love Benazir Bhutto are the same that leave many Pakistanis with second thoughts. Her English may be fluent, but you can't say the same about her Urdu which she spoke like a well-groomed foreigner: fluently but ungrammatically. Her Sindhi was even worse: apart from a few imperatives, she is completely at sea.}
And Sonia Gandhi is fluent in Hindi? If the voter does not give a damn, then there is nothing wrong. What is wrong is painting people in a multi-ethnic state with languages.
{The whole painted vision reminded me of one of those aristocratic Roman princesses in Caligula.}
Caligula? Not only is this guy a bigot but also a shameless pervert.
Benazir was not perfect, made her share of mistakes but she was after all the elected representative of pakistan and headed probably the single largest political entity. She belonged to the feudal class not by choice but by birth and that the writer and many other critics cannot comprehend that these feudals have the same right as any other person to contest elections.It is for the people to decide, not some shallow, bigoted, sorry excuse of a writer.
Finally, the writer is riding the same populist propaganda that the Jihadist are coming the Jihadist are coming. Yes, Pakistan faces serious concerns and its leaders have failed to deliver even the basic necessities, yes the rightest have become stronger but they will not be the victors. The victors will be the nationalists. What the writer has completely failed to understand is the fractured ethnicity of Pakistan that has been compounded by BB assassination. Today, the smaller provinces have become ever so more sensitive of their future. Then again, the stupid moron would not know this for his interpertations are based on his drawing room chit chats with his elitist contacts.
{The building is a giddy pseudo-Mexican ranch house with white walls and a red tile roof. There is nothing remotely Islamic about the building}
Has the writer ever gone too Saudi Arabia or any other Gulf Arab state? Seems not, but this again shows the writers hidden biases.
{She spoke English fluently because it was her first language. She had an English governess, went to a convent run by Irish nuns, and rounded off her education with degrees from Harvard and Oxford.}
So a desi had it better than this moron.
{It was difficult to image any of her neighbouring heads of state- even India’s earnest Sikh economist, Manmohan Singh, talking like this.}
According to the writer poor Indians do not get to eat or like Baskin and Robbins. What a moronic interpretation.
{However the very reasons that make the West love Benazir Bhutto are the same that leave many Pakistanis with second thoughts. Her English may be fluent, but you can't say the same about her Urdu which she spoke like a well-groomed foreigner: fluently but ungrammatically. Her Sindhi was even worse: apart from a few imperatives, she is completely at sea.}
And Sonia Gandhi is fluent in Hindi? If the voter does not give a damn, then there is nothing wrong. What is wrong is painting people in a multi-ethnic state with languages.
{The whole painted vision reminded me of one of those aristocratic Roman princesses in Caligula.}
Caligula? Not only is this guy a bigot but also a shameless pervert.
Benazir was not perfect, made her share of mistakes but she was after all the elected representative of pakistan and headed probably the single largest political entity. She belonged to the feudal class not by choice but by birth and that the writer and many other critics cannot comprehend that these feudals have the same right as any other person to contest elections.It is for the people to decide, not some shallow, bigoted, sorry excuse of a writer.
Finally, the writer is riding the same populist propaganda that the Jihadist are coming the Jihadist are coming. Yes, Pakistan faces serious concerns and its leaders have failed to deliver even the basic necessities, yes the rightest have become stronger but they will not be the victors. The victors will be the nationalists. What the writer has completely failed to understand is the fractured ethnicity of Pakistan that has been compounded by BB assassination. Today, the smaller provinces have become ever so more sensitive of their future. Then again, the stupid moron would not know this for his interpertations are based on his drawing room chit chats with his elitist contacts.
#73 Posted by rf786 on January 12, 2008 11:05:16 am
Re: # 69
{I haven't beaten any wife so far, and there have been three.}
THREE.....YA DA MAAN....Salam hai aapke azmat per. Have been or still holding on to all three positions?
{I haven't beaten any wife so far, and there have been three.}
THREE.....YA DA MAAN....Salam hai aapke azmat per. Have been or still holding on to all three positions?
#74 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 11:12:15 am
#73 Posted by rf786,
Now, there is one for every mealtime.
Now, there is one for every mealtime.
#75 Posted by Dash_Dot on January 12, 2008 11:15:01 am
Re: # 74 what about your bedtime? Or is it ovaltine/Hor_licks time 8-()
#76 Posted by rf786 on January 12, 2008 11:18:03 am
Re: # 74
Aap Mahaan hein...product diversification and no dieting...awesome...
Aap Mahaan hein...product diversification and no dieting...awesome...
#77 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 11:22:15 am
khurram,
There was one shot by the shooter (in the black suit and sunglasses), then a pause, then three shots in rapid succession. After the first shot, the sniper homed in. The first shot and the pause was the cue.
But, the brilliance was in the 'kafan posh' behind the dandy assassin. He didn't know he was there.
That's what makes it a very complicated hit. Perfectly executed. No one will know who did it.
There was one shot by the shooter (in the black suit and sunglasses), then a pause, then three shots in rapid succession. After the first shot, the sniper homed in. The first shot and the pause was the cue.
But, the brilliance was in the 'kafan posh' behind the dandy assassin. He didn't know he was there.
That's what makes it a very complicated hit. Perfectly executed. No one will know who did it.
#78 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 11:26:35 am
Actually, I have reason to suspect the dandy assassin shooter was MQM recruited for the job .... but he got blown to bits just for providing a cue.
#79 Posted by rf786 on January 12, 2008 11:29:59 am
Re: # 78
A little bird tells me that the assassin was a burly Punjabi sent by the Sharif's and blown to pieces cause they did not have time to arrange for Saudi visa.
A little bird tells me that the assassin was a burly Punjabi sent by the Sharif's and blown to pieces cause they did not have time to arrange for Saudi visa.
#80 Posted by hamidm2 on January 12, 2008 12:55:12 pm
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zeemax,
.... do you think it was the same man who did 9/11 and 7/7 ? ......... and who killed that horse in lahore ?...... do you think the french did it to spite the british ? .... and what about sheik rashid - he doesn't live far from where bb was killed ? .......... you know that she spurned him many years ago ? ......... and what about safdar the halwai who has a shop just across the street? ...... rumor has it that his sister's brother-in-law is a havaldar in the isi ........
zeemax,
.... do you think it was the same man who did 9/11 and 7/7 ? ......... and who killed that horse in lahore ?...... do you think the french did it to spite the british ? .... and what about sheik rashid - he doesn't live far from where bb was killed ? .......... you know that she spurned him many years ago ? ......... and what about safdar the halwai who has a shop just across the street? ...... rumor has it that his sister's brother-in-law is a havaldar in the isi ........
#81 Posted by masadi on January 12, 2008 1:04:53 pm
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#82 Posted by masadi on January 12, 2008 1:05:53 pm
Regarding the BB assassination, let me repost from my ilog of Dec 27:
The American plan in Pakistan is moving smoothly, Iran is off guard because of the latest turnaround in the NIE, which was unprecidented, i.e. such a turnaround has never before happened in the history of issuing NIEs, according to CIA commentators.
In Pakistan, the plan was never for "democracy", it was to get Musharraf out of uniform, because the peon of old was becomming an "uppity nigger" (for those fools who want to red flag this comment read the context and the history of this term), i.e. too independant for his own good, so they woo'ed the BB and gave her assurances. Based on the assurances of the Shaitan, and not any "faith in Allah" or bravery, she returned home, evoking Musharraf to do what he did to save his uniform. Apparently the pressure from the Americans forced him to give that up.
Like I have maintained, this "democracy" slogan by the Americans who work via the Pakistan Army to subvert any and every remnant of democracy in Pakistan as well as destroy democratic institutions was at best for a stop-gap arrangement until their new peon brings in martial law again, at the heels of the Iran campaign. Musharraf could not be overthrown by the military when he was in uniform because it would fragment the military, i.e. harm the US occupation force indigeneously staffed, and was too risky to attempt.
In that context, getting rid of the BB (using the Pak Army) has paved the way for a new martial law, in this new upcoming martial law, Musharraf (who today refused to take Bush's call but then relented)will be the casualty and not the beneficiary. However, the people in Pakistan have begun to understand the shenanigans of the military/US alliance and will not stand for a new martial law. Because of the unforseen consequences of US meddling in trying to oust Musharraf not for the sake of the people of Pakistan, whom he has harmed a great deal, but for their own perverse ends, a new spirit of resistance emerged within the people, which will only expand.
Now what can be the unforseen consequences of this US action in paving the way for martial law. Like I have said, the Americans have found dealings with the Pak Army leadership more tedious with every successive dictator, not because they don't submit but because due to the distance involved they develop a false notion of "soverignity, and independance and indispensibility" and then do things that might not please their masters, the US elite would describe that as the "uppity nigger syndrome", therefore they want to fragment Pakistan, like they plan to with Iraq, not for any resources but to establish their military footprint in this area. The military coup will be followed by a civil war, which will be followed by US occupation of the Frontier and Baluchistan. The positive coming out of this, and don't think I am being insensitive when I say it, is that the US/Army/BB alliance was destroying the only true people's movement in this country started by the ZAB, as a result of this that movement might be saved from destruction and might play a prominent role in the lives of the people of Pakistan or mini Pakistan in the future....And that is all I have to say
The American plan in Pakistan is moving smoothly, Iran is off guard because of the latest turnaround in the NIE, which was unprecidented, i.e. such a turnaround has never before happened in the history of issuing NIEs, according to CIA commentators.
In Pakistan, the plan was never for "democracy", it was to get Musharraf out of uniform, because the peon of old was becomming an "uppity nigger" (for those fools who want to red flag this comment read the context and the history of this term), i.e. too independant for his own good, so they woo'ed the BB and gave her assurances. Based on the assurances of the Shaitan, and not any "faith in Allah" or bravery, she returned home, evoking Musharraf to do what he did to save his uniform. Apparently the pressure from the Americans forced him to give that up.
Like I have maintained, this "democracy" slogan by the Americans who work via the Pakistan Army to subvert any and every remnant of democracy in Pakistan as well as destroy democratic institutions was at best for a stop-gap arrangement until their new peon brings in martial law again, at the heels of the Iran campaign. Musharraf could not be overthrown by the military when he was in uniform because it would fragment the military, i.e. harm the US occupation force indigeneously staffed, and was too risky to attempt.
In that context, getting rid of the BB (using the Pak Army) has paved the way for a new martial law, in this new upcoming martial law, Musharraf (who today refused to take Bush's call but then relented)will be the casualty and not the beneficiary. However, the people in Pakistan have begun to understand the shenanigans of the military/US alliance and will not stand for a new martial law. Because of the unforseen consequences of US meddling in trying to oust Musharraf not for the sake of the people of Pakistan, whom he has harmed a great deal, but for their own perverse ends, a new spirit of resistance emerged within the people, which will only expand.
Now what can be the unforseen consequences of this US action in paving the way for martial law. Like I have said, the Americans have found dealings with the Pak Army leadership more tedious with every successive dictator, not because they don't submit but because due to the distance involved they develop a false notion of "soverignity, and independance and indispensibility" and then do things that might not please their masters, the US elite would describe that as the "uppity nigger syndrome", therefore they want to fragment Pakistan, like they plan to with Iraq, not for any resources but to establish their military footprint in this area. The military coup will be followed by a civil war, which will be followed by US occupation of the Frontier and Baluchistan. The positive coming out of this, and don't think I am being insensitive when I say it, is that the US/Army/BB alliance was destroying the only true people's movement in this country started by the ZAB, as a result of this that movement might be saved from destruction and might play a prominent role in the lives of the people of Pakistan or mini Pakistan in the future....And that is all I have to say
#83 Posted by masadi on January 12, 2008 1:14:16 pm
Regarding US involvement in the BB case, it is no stretch of the imagination to note that the US has always supported the military and the dictators it throws up in Pakistan. In fact so close is the relationship that Pakistan Army, totally alien to the Pakistanis, is a foreign occupation force doing the bidding of the US to the extreme deteriment of Pakistan. The the "deal" involving the dominant and lesser institutions, the military and the political would enhance the status quo (strengthen the dominant institution) and not "democracy" should be no surprise to any thinking person, that is why the US was pushing for the "deal", first and foremost to salvage the uniform and military from Musharraf, which was achieved after much bloodletting and lathi charge and emergency, and later to pave the way for a new military takeover to overcome the "love lost" of the earlier (1999) one. This second part of the deal was what the BB was beginning to understand and coming around, and so the "deal or no deal" was turning out to be a no-deal. That is why the US found it quite convenient, using the Pakistan Army (with whom it had a dual fulfillment of purpose in this) to get rid of the BB. A fake will was drawn, with full consultations with Zardari, in which he would be the default chair of the PPP, and the deal gone bad would then pursue smoothly. He also had a hand in this murder working with the Army/US. The party has been hijacked by a total outsider to the cause of the ZAB, and it was achieved quite painlessly by colluding in the killing of the BB by the US/Army/Zardari trio.
#84 Posted by masadi on January 12, 2008 1:16:47 pm
Regarding the Bush visit to the MidEast, it has more to do with Iran, that will be bombed shortly not by the US, under the Israeli flag, from bases within Pakistan. This tactic is for damage control, to minimize spillover and the current desire to get some "peace" in the Middle East is for the same purpose, to strengthen the Arab governments there for "damage control". At the heels of a contrived peace deal in which the Palestinians will be the losers will come the bombing of Iraq by the US under Israeli flags.
#85 Posted by arjun_4 on January 12, 2008 1:22:17 pm
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#86 Posted by hamidm2 on January 12, 2008 1:24:35 pm
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masadi,
........ how do you know all this ?....... were you hiding under mushy's bed when he was discussing all this with bush and zardari ? !!
......... now we have heard it all !
chowk staff: please do something ! ..... please ban masadi before somone falls off their chair and sues you for cyber negligence ! ....... think of the children ... please
masadi,
........ how do you know all this ?....... were you hiding under mushy's bed when he was discussing all this with bush and zardari ? !!
......... now we have heard it all !
chowk staff: please do something ! ..... please ban masadi before somone falls off their chair and sues you for cyber negligence ! ....... think of the children ... please
#87 Posted by arjun_4 on January 12, 2008 1:25:35 pm
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#88 Posted by hamidm2 on January 12, 2008 2:57:34 pm
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arjun,
....... this man is drinking the cool aid from ksa - it is called aab-i-zamzam ..... let's not blame good old alcohol for these flights of fanatical fantasy .......
arjun,
....... this man is drinking the cool aid from ksa - it is called aab-i-zamzam ..... let's not blame good old alcohol for these flights of fanatical fantasy .......
#89 Posted by jang on January 12, 2008 3:03:30 pm
"Austrian Glock long range precision rifle "
is it a 2-stroke or 4 stroke Glock?
is it a 2-stroke or 4 stroke Glock?
#90 Posted by Kamath on January 12, 2008 3:28:08 pm
Benazir Bhutto is now buried in the white marble mausoleum in Larkhana. Does any one know how much EXACTLY it cost to build it? Who financed it?
Could it be in hundreds or millions of dollars? Are these figures available to the public in Pakistan?
Kamath
Could it be in hundreds or millions of dollars? Are these figures available to the public in Pakistan?
Kamath
#91 Posted by masadi on January 12, 2008 3:35:47 pm
In #84 read "At the heels of a contrived peace deal in which the Palestinians will be the losers will come the bombing of Iraq by the US under Israeli flags.
as
At the heels of a contrived peace deal in which the Palestinians will be the losers will come the bombing of Iran by the US under Israeli flags.
as
At the heels of a contrived peace deal in which the Palestinians will be the losers will come the bombing of Iran by the US under Israeli flags.
#92 Posted by nasah on January 12, 2008 4:46:23 pm
"HAMBURG: President Pervez Musharraf has said that he will resign if a majority of the Pakistani people no longer want him.
“Believe me, on the day when I arrive at the conviction that the majority of the people don’t want me any more, when I believe I can no longer make a contribution to my country, I will not hesitate a second. I will go,”(AP)
Pakistan Fraud and Flatulant Prince says -- that he will resign "when I arrive at the conviction" -- for a person who got selected in a referundum with the 99% majority vote -- current 23% approval rate is still not a minority eough.
“Believe me, on the day when I arrive at the conviction that the majority of the people don’t want me any more, when I believe I can no longer make a contribution to my country, I will not hesitate a second. I will go,”(AP)
Pakistan Fraud and Flatulant Prince says -- that he will resign "when I arrive at the conviction" -- for a person who got selected in a referundum with the 99% majority vote -- current 23% approval rate is still not a minority eough.
#93 Posted by Zeena on January 12, 2008 5:00:16 pm
Dear writer
I wish to show you the real picture of unfortunate state, called Pakistan.
I strongly dismiss your article, you're completely wrong in your povs about Pakistan, it looks like you didn't do your homework prior to writting this twisted article with no sense , no sense at all.
I don't blame BB, NS, ZAB or any other politician for the collapse of Pakistan... Yes, I firmly believe and strongly blame Army for all the problems....Pakistanis never tasted democracy....always became hostage of cruel army....for 47 years....and yet, people have the nerves to blame BB or any other politician? Just read this....
The Pakistani nation is starving, Musharaf and his cruel army is thriving. flour crisis in Pakistan is worsening. People have to be in long lines to get one small bag of flour just for their basic needs. And the saddest thing is that 100% of Pakistani people use flour daily for their meals. It is the most essential commodity for rich and poor both. People can't survive without flour. Poor Pakistanis have been facing first sugar shortage, then gas shortage, electricity shortage and now extreme flour shortage.
So who are we blaming for all these crises of basic necessities?
Musharaf and his gang offcourse.................they have made it clear that they are the only humans in Pakistan who should their verocious needs met.......they are trying their best to discredit the basic right of poor Pakistani citizens by depriving them of food and then shelters.........they are trying their best to make sure that mushdog and his allies should govern starved nation boundlessly...when a governance fails to provide the basic needs to poor citizens then they have NO right, absolutely NO right to for the governance.........what sort of good governance is this? for God's sake, wake up.....wake up Pakistanis.
Musharaf and his allies wish every Poor Pakistani citizen to die of starvation now. First he murdered thousands of poor Pakistani citizens on streets like vegetables last year with no regrets, no regrets at all and now they have acquired a new tactics to kill more and more poors via starvation...............that is the most painful scene to see, fourteen crores of Pakistanis are suffering due to these power hungry monsters who are eradicating Pakis days in and days out.....and then filling up their big corrupt bellies by looting poor people's money to fill their unlimited needs...........
Musharaf and his bast**d allies are undermining , suppressing and oppressing the basic right of Pakistani citizens to put an end to democratic waves in Pakistan and they're not letting go of any golden opportunity to make hostage all those poor and innocent Pakistani citizens to meet their own vicious needs.........to make sure that their families are superior and they are not in those lines to beg for ,"FLOUR".....................
These monsters are living lavishly and for their lavish needs poor Pakistanis got to pay over the things that they don't even know what they did? Isn't it tragic? Isn't it sad enough to make us cry?
If NOT then we're not humans, we're worst than these blood sucker leaches and vultchers who call themselves Paki leaders.................rulers....
These harami rulers are sucking poor Pakis blood for their own extremely high expenditures and cause these inflations and recessions...........and then these harrammis borrow more and more money from central bank , much more than their budget..........now their banks are just empty cans with some echos of poverty, some poverty stricken screams and they're not listening b/c they don't want to listen to those tortured voices who are the reason that they are calling themselves ,"RULERS"....RULERS of those who are starving from hunger..........sigh*
This Pakistani turmoil is in it's height, and the greatest tragedy is that there seems to be no end to the sufferings of Poor Pakistani citizens................resulting in mental anguish and physical disorders....currently, Pakistan has become a lawless, foodless and needless state where 80% population has become hostage of these army rulers, who are ruling them on gun points. Their poverty stricken lives have become miserable than prisoners of wars.........
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I wish to show you the real picture of unfortunate state, called Pakistan.
I strongly dismiss your article, you're completely wrong in your povs about Pakistan, it looks like you didn't do your homework prior to writting this twisted article with no sense , no sense at all.
I don't blame BB, NS, ZAB or any other politician for the collapse of Pakistan... Yes, I firmly believe and strongly blame Army for all the problems....Pakistanis never tasted democracy....always became hostage of cruel army....for 47 years....and yet, people have the nerves to blame BB or any other politician? Just read this....
The Pakistani nation is starving, Musharaf and his cruel army is thriving. flour crisis in Pakistan is worsening. People have to be in long lines to get one small bag of flour just for their basic needs. And the saddest thing is that 100% of Pakistani people use flour daily for their meals. It is the most essential commodity for rich and poor both. People can't survive without flour. Poor Pakistanis have been facing first sugar shortage, then gas shortage, electricity shortage and now extreme flour shortage.
So who are we blaming for all these crises of basic necessities?
Musharaf and his gang offcourse.................they have made it clear that they are the only humans in Pakistan who should their verocious needs met.......they are trying their best to discredit the basic right of poor Pakistani citizens by depriving them of food and then shelters.........they are trying their best to make sure that mushdog and his allies should govern starved nation boundlessly...when a governance fails to provide the basic needs to poor citizens then they have NO right, absolutely NO right to for the governance.........what sort of good governance is this? for God's sake, wake up.....wake up Pakistanis.
Musharaf and his allies wish every Poor Pakistani citizen to die of starvation now. First he murdered thousands of poor Pakistani citizens on streets like vegetables last year with no regrets, no regrets at all and now they have acquired a new tactics to kill more and more poors via starvation...............that is the most painful scene to see, fourteen crores of Pakistanis are suffering due to these power hungry monsters who are eradicating Pakis days in and days out.....and then filling up their big corrupt bellies by looting poor people's money to fill their unlimited needs...........
Musharaf and his bast**d allies are undermining , suppressing and oppressing the basic right of Pakistani citizens to put an end to democratic waves in Pakistan and they're not letting go of any golden opportunity to make hostage all those poor and innocent Pakistani citizens to meet their own vicious needs.........to make sure that their families are superior and they are not in those lines to beg for ,"FLOUR".....................
These monsters are living lavishly and for their lavish needs poor Pakistanis got to pay over the things that they don't even know what they did? Isn't it tragic? Isn't it sad enough to make us cry?
If NOT then we're not humans, we're worst than these blood sucker leaches and vultchers who call themselves Paki leaders.................rulers....
These harami rulers are sucking poor Pakis blood for their own extremely high expenditures and cause these inflations and recessions...........and then these harrammis borrow more and more money from central bank , much more than their budget..........now their banks are just empty cans with some echos of poverty, some poverty stricken screams and they're not listening b/c they don't want to listen to those tortured voices who are the reason that they are calling themselves ,"RULERS"....RULERS of those who are starving from hunger..........sigh*
This Pakistani turmoil is in it's height, and the greatest tragedy is that there seems to be no end to the sufferings of Poor Pakistani citizens................resulting in mental anguish and physical disorders....currently, Pakistan has become a lawless, foodless and needless state where 80% population has become hostage of these army rulers, who are ruling them on gun points. Their poverty stricken lives have become miserable than prisoners of wars.........
#94 Posted by Zeena on January 12, 2008 5:04:13 pm
Dear writer
I wish to show you the real picture of unfortunate state, called Pakistan.
I strongly dismiss your article, you're completely wrong in your povs about Pakistan, it looks like you didn't do your homework prior to writting this twisted article with no sense , no sense at all.
I don't blame BB, NS, ZAB or any other politician for the collapse of Pakistan... Yes, I firmly believe and strongly blame Army for all the problems....Pakistanis never tasted democracy....always became hostage of cruel army....for 47 years....and yet, people have the nerves to blame BB or any other politician? Just read this....
The Pakistani nation is starving, Musharaf and his cruel army is thriving. flour crisis in Pakistan is worsening. People have to be in long lines to get one small bag of flour just for their basic needs. And the saddest thing is that 100% of Pakistan people use flour daily for their meals. It is the most essential commodity for rich and poor both. People can't survive without flour. Poor Pakistanis have been facing first sugar shortage, then gas shortage, electricity shortage and now extreme flour shortage.
So who are we blaming for all these crises of basic necessities?
Musharaf and his gang offcourse.................they have made it clear that they are the only humans in Pakistan who should their verocious needs met.......they are trying their best to discredit the basic right of poor Pakistani citizens by depriving them of food and then shelters.........they are trying their best to make sure that mushdog and his allies should govern starved nation boundlessly...when a governance fails to provide the basic needs to poor citizens then they have NO right, absolutely NO right to for the governance.........what sort of good governance is this? for God's sake, wake up.....wake up Pakistanis.
Musharaf and his allies wish every Poor Pakistani citizen to die of starvation now. First he murdered thousands of poor Pakistani citizens on streets like vegetables last year with no regrets, no regrets at all and now they have acquired a new tactics to kill more and more poors via starvation...............that is the most painful scene to see, fourteen crores of Pakistanis are suffering due to these power hungry monsters who are eradicating Pakis days in and days out.....and then filling up their big corrupt bellies by looting poor people's money to fill their unlimited needs...........
Musharaf and his bast**d allies are undermining , suppressing and oppressing the basic right of Pakistani citizens to put an end to democratic waves in Pakistan and they're not letting go of any golden opportunity to make hostage all those poor and innocent Pakistani citizens to meet their own vicious needs.........to make sure that their families are superior and they are not in those lines to beg for ,"FLOUR".....................
These monsters are living lavishly and for their lavish needs poor Pakistanis got to pay over the things that they don't even know what they did? Isn't it tragic? Isn't it sad enough to make us cry?
If NOT then we're not humans, we're worst than these blood sucker leaches and vultchers who call themselves Paki leaders.................rulers....
These harami rulers are sucking poor Pakis blood for their own extremely high expenditures and cause these inflations and recessions...........and then these harrammis borrow more and more money from central bank , much more than their budget..........now their banks are just empty cans with some echos of poverty, some poverty stricken screams and they're not listening b/c they don't want to listen to those tortured voices who are the reason that they are calling themselves ,"RULERS"....RULERS of those who are starving from hunger..........sigh*
This Pakistani turmoil is in it's height, and the greatest tragedy is that there seems no end to the sufferings of Poor Pakistani citizens................resulting in mental anguish and physical disorders....currently, Pakistan has become a lawless, foodless and needless state where 80% population has become hostage of these army rulers, who are ruling them on gun points. Their poverty stricken lives have become miserable than prisoners of wars.........
Now, this crisis of flour is an open proof of the kind of agony Poor Pakistanis are passing through.
When I see millions of poor Pakistanis standing in lines, fighting and arguing just for ,"ATTA(FLOUR)"...It hurts my heart and soul deep inside, when I see old worn-out ladies with broken legs(fractured) crying and begging for flour and being stepped over by other poverty stricken countrymen.....I feel agony, helplessness and then I start crying and my endless tears don't stop , they won't stop b/c I am devastated and so do my fellow countrymen, they're so badly devastated by these tragedies that my nation"s sufferings have reached unprecedented heights. It's so painful for me to be still alive and see all this with my own eyes................sigh*
I know a small progress could show us highly positive effects, but our rulers don't care for 80% of poor Pakistanis, they see them as blisters in their own land...............poverty, food insecurity and agricultural disparity have made Pakistan critically collapsed state..........I just feel bad, sad, hurt, agonized and helpless............sigh*
For the last couple of weeks, I can't eat....how can I eat ? when my own poor countrymen are living in dismal poverty....how can I sleep, when majority of my countrymen couldn't sleep b/c of basic food shortage and are unable to sleep with hungry and empty stomachs?
I wish to show you the real picture of unfortunate state, called Pakistan.
I strongly dismiss your article, you're completely wrong in your povs about Pakistan, it looks like you didn't do your homework prior to writting this twisted article with no sense , no sense at all.
I don't blame BB, NS, ZAB or any other politician for the collapse of Pakistan... Yes, I firmly believe and strongly blame Army for all the problems....Pakistanis never tasted democracy....always became hostage of cruel army....for 47 years....and yet, people have the nerves to blame BB or any other politician? Just read this....
The Pakistani nation is starving, Musharaf and his cruel army is thriving. flour crisis in Pakistan is worsening. People have to be in long lines to get one small bag of flour just for their basic needs. And the saddest thing is that 100% of Pakistan people use flour daily for their meals. It is the most essential commodity for rich and poor both. People can't survive without flour. Poor Pakistanis have been facing first sugar shortage, then gas shortage, electricity shortage and now extreme flour shortage.
So who are we blaming for all these crises of basic necessities?
Musharaf and his gang offcourse.................they have made it clear that they are the only humans in Pakistan who should their verocious needs met.......they are trying their best to discredit the basic right of poor Pakistani citizens by depriving them of food and then shelters.........they are trying their best to make sure that mushdog and his allies should govern starved nation boundlessly...when a governance fails to provide the basic needs to poor citizens then they have NO right, absolutely NO right to for the governance.........what sort of good governance is this? for God's sake, wake up.....wake up Pakistanis.
Musharaf and his allies wish every Poor Pakistani citizen to die of starvation now. First he murdered thousands of poor Pakistani citizens on streets like vegetables last year with no regrets, no regrets at all and now they have acquired a new tactics to kill more and more poors via starvation...............that is the most painful scene to see, fourteen crores of Pakistanis are suffering due to these power hungry monsters who are eradicating Pakis days in and days out.....and then filling up their big corrupt bellies by looting poor people's money to fill their unlimited needs...........
Musharaf and his bast**d allies are undermining , suppressing and oppressing the basic right of Pakistani citizens to put an end to democratic waves in Pakistan and they're not letting go of any golden opportunity to make hostage all those poor and innocent Pakistani citizens to meet their own vicious needs.........to make sure that their families are superior and they are not in those lines to beg for ,"FLOUR".....................
These monsters are living lavishly and for their lavish needs poor Pakistanis got to pay over the things that they don't even know what they did? Isn't it tragic? Isn't it sad enough to make us cry?
If NOT then we're not humans, we're worst than these blood sucker leaches and vultchers who call themselves Paki leaders.................rulers....
These harami rulers are sucking poor Pakis blood for their own extremely high expenditures and cause these inflations and recessions...........and then these harrammis borrow more and more money from central bank , much more than their budget..........now their banks are just empty cans with some echos of poverty, some poverty stricken screams and they're not listening b/c they don't want to listen to those tortured voices who are the reason that they are calling themselves ,"RULERS"....RULERS of those who are starving from hunger..........sigh*
This Pakistani turmoil is in it's height, and the greatest tragedy is that there seems no end to the sufferings of Poor Pakistani citizens................resulting in mental anguish and physical disorders....currently, Pakistan has become a lawless, foodless and needless state where 80% population has become hostage of these army rulers, who are ruling them on gun points. Their poverty stricken lives have become miserable than prisoners of wars.........
Now, this crisis of flour is an open proof of the kind of agony Poor Pakistanis are passing through.
When I see millions of poor Pakistanis standing in lines, fighting and arguing just for ,"ATTA(FLOUR)"...It hurts my heart and soul deep inside, when I see old worn-out ladies with broken legs(fractured) crying and begging for flour and being stepped over by other poverty stricken countrymen.....I feel agony, helplessness and then I start crying and my endless tears don't stop , they won't stop b/c I am devastated and so do my fellow countrymen, they're so badly devastated by these tragedies that my nation"s sufferings have reached unprecedented heights. It's so painful for me to be still alive and see all this with my own eyes................sigh*
I know a small progress could show us highly positive effects, but our rulers don't care for 80% of poor Pakistanis, they see them as blisters in their own land...............poverty, food insecurity and agricultural disparity have made Pakistan critically collapsed state..........I just feel bad, sad, hurt, agonized and helpless............sigh*
For the last couple of weeks, I can't eat....how can I eat ? when my own poor countrymen are living in dismal poverty....how can I sleep, when majority of my countrymen couldn't sleep b/c of basic food shortage and are unable to sleep with hungry and empty stomachs?
#95 Posted by arjun_4 on January 12, 2008 5:27:38 pm
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#99 Posted by tahmed32 on January 12, 2008 6:52:41 pm
nasah #92 this man was pulled crying and weeping out of his wardi. he was willing to wreck the supreme court and the pakistan constitution and to get people killed (on may 12, and perhaps on other occassions to) and beaten and imprisoned as he struggled to stay in his precious wardi. he will not leave his the president's job without a similar struggle in the days ahead. it wont be pretty.
#100 Posted by nasah on January 12, 2008 7:47:25 pm
"Musharraf says:“Believe me, on the day when I arrive at the conviction that the majority of the people don’t want me any more,...I will go"
You better go sooner because the day for your conviction has already arrived" -- 77% people "don't want you anymore" -- don't wait for the other 26% -- if you want to avoid conviction.
You better go sooner because the day for your conviction has already arrived" -- 77% people "don't want you anymore" -- don't wait for the other 26% -- if you want to avoid conviction.
#101 Posted by rf786 on January 12, 2008 8:12:45 pm
Re: # 87
Our dear conspiracy theory expert is referring to the esteemed Retd. General Naseer Ullah Babar aka Lal Bundar, ex-ISI Chief, ex-Interior Minister. Like his contemporary Hameed Gul, The Lal Bandar tries to compensate for the lack of brain cells with fantastic tales weaved out of some fiction book (Imran Series).
Our dear conspiracy theory expert is referring to the esteemed Retd. General Naseer Ullah Babar aka Lal Bundar, ex-ISI Chief, ex-Interior Minister. Like his contemporary Hameed Gul, The Lal Bandar tries to compensate for the lack of brain cells with fantastic tales weaved out of some fiction book (Imran Series).
#102 Posted by rf786 on January 12, 2008 8:18:47 pm
Re: # 99
tahmed32,
This obssessive infatuation with Musharraf shows your inability to appreciate and differentiate friend and foe. Its the MILITARY dummy, not Musharraf. You remove a name plate and it will be replaced by another, then again its the likes of you who believe in worshipping idols rather than institutions. Same goes for that idiot Ch Iftikhar, if supremacy of the Law and the institution was paramount then that idiot should have resigned the day he was reinstated. Then again, he too is an ignoramus driven by his rapaciouness and myopic view of life.
tahmed32,
This obssessive infatuation with Musharraf shows your inability to appreciate and differentiate friend and foe. Its the MILITARY dummy, not Musharraf. You remove a name plate and it will be replaced by another, then again its the likes of you who believe in worshipping idols rather than institutions. Same goes for that idiot Ch Iftikhar, if supremacy of the Law and the institution was paramount then that idiot should have resigned the day he was reinstated. Then again, he too is an ignoramus driven by his rapaciouness and myopic view of life.
#103 Posted by ahmedmadani on January 12, 2008 8:52:01 pm
Re: # 78 Z man are you addicted to drugs along with alcohol to have such hullucination and hopeful dreams. As I have said before no smoking gun was found and many felt disappointed that MQM was not involved.
If MQM wanted they could have put total on BB and PPP after coming from abroad. Let little little leaders do not mess up with MQM . They can make more destruction 100 times what PPP rioter made. Note Z man MQM is very good friends and very dangerous to enemies. Altaf Hussain asked his troops and local satraps to just watch and do not react to cool down situation. If he had given green flag MQM could have hunted all rumpage makers specially in KHI with military precison. But Altaff Hussain well know for strtegic intelligence in Urban warfare kept his horse way. Please do not go on accusing MQM , what it did not do ,and Altaf shown great tolerance to allow rumpage but do not mistake as sign of weakness, it was startegic holding his troops. Hope others follow example of self restraint.
If MQM wanted they could have put total on BB and PPP after coming from abroad. Let little little leaders do not mess up with MQM . They can make more destruction 100 times what PPP rioter made. Note Z man MQM is very good friends and very dangerous to enemies. Altaf Hussain asked his troops and local satraps to just watch and do not react to cool down situation. If he had given green flag MQM could have hunted all rumpage makers specially in KHI with military precison. But Altaff Hussain well know for strtegic intelligence in Urban warfare kept his horse way. Please do not go on accusing MQM , what it did not do ,and Altaf shown great tolerance to allow rumpage but do not mistake as sign of weakness, it was startegic holding his troops. Hope others follow example of self restraint.
#104 Posted by zeemax on January 12, 2008 11:34:24 pm
#103 Posted by ahmedmadani,
Madani Saheb please read my post again. I had pointed to a professional assassin (the decoy shooter in the sunglasses) recruited from MQM and not at MQM as a political party with political motives.
You do agree MQM does have professional assassins on its rolls. Don't you? You saw many on May 12 in the video footage.
Please don't misunderstand my contention.
Madani Saheb please read my post again. I had pointed to a professional assassin (the decoy shooter in the sunglasses) recruited from MQM and not at MQM as a political party with political motives.
You do agree MQM does have professional assassins on its rolls. Don't you? You saw many on May 12 in the video footage.
Please don't misunderstand my contention.