US Conspiracy to Destablize Pakistan?

Re: # 543
You on the other hand want to discount all of that because you i) want to tell us that British colonization was what "developed" India, when it ruined it totally ii) are an anti-Muslim bigot. Neither i) nor ii) qualifies as any kind of scholarship, it qualifies as ignorance and you with your factless BS are one of the biggest ignoramuses on this site.

Ans:- Arrival of British has infused fund and skill in the following areas
1. Education - They have established medical,engineering colleges and universities. Within a span of 90 years (1857-1947), they have created nice educational infrastructure, which is still the base of India's education system. I am not seeing anything such created by moslems.
In fact, the education system was destroyed by islamic invaders. The literature was one of the areas, which revived after British arrival. They have promoted eductaion and science. During British period, we have got luminaries like R N Tagore, Bankim Chatterjee,Sir M V, C V Raman, S N Bose ( boson particle named after him), J C Bose....
Please provide such examples regarding moslems...
2. Public Works Department- Construction of Roadways and Railways. Creation of new cities. I have evidence of moslems destroying cities ( Hampi...) and renaming existing cities with some Urdu/Arabic name (Karnavati-Ahemadabad,Karnasubarna-Murshidabad, Vijayanagar/Golkanda-Hyderabad etc...). Destroying temple and looting the wealth (Kashi, Mathura, Somnath). Even Thirupati, the most revered temple in India was shifted to the top of a hill in a cluster of 7 hills, to protect it from the barbaric moslems.
I have no evidence of such barbarism committed by British rulers. Please provide evidence...

3. Defence - Entire defence industry in India has its root to British period.

With British people, India was introduced to the European Renaissance (Industry, Art, Literature...). Afghanistan is the perfect example of how islam can be destructive.

Rocket:-
http://inventors.about.com/od/rstartinventions/a/Rocke ts.htm

Please talk with example and evidence...

Masadi sahib,

(If someone claims "way back" ancestory from Iraq which matters not because in the middle is all local stuff, that does not mean he is in someway "ashamed" of local ethnicity. )

I am not accusing you of being ashamed of being local and hence inventing Iraqi ancestry. You are quite a learned man and from your own post understand quite fair, so you are certainly not telling tales. But if millions and millions of ordinary Pakis start inventing foreign ancestors then there is something wrong.

(Majumdar you are confused between colonized lands and white "settler" area.)

No, I am not. And as you have rightly pointed out settler colonialism was achieved by extreme cruelty (wholescale genocide) and I have pointed out as much to NKG.

Regards

It is now recognised by Indian scientists who have worked on the subject that Tipu Sultan's Mysore kingdom was the first to apply scientific principles to test and perfect rocket and missile technology. The Tiger of Mysore had 27 brigades or Kushoons and thus Tipu's army was the first to have a rocket brigade in modern times. These rockets were extensively used in 1792 and were the cause of the British setback. In fact, some of the rockets fired by Tipu's men are preserved in the Artillery Museum at Woolwich in London. Tipu's rockets had a range of nearly 2 km.

http://www.hindu.com/2006/07/22/stories/2006072203542200.htm

http://idv.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/18/1/61

#545 Your question about libraries "http://www.urducouncil.nic.in/urdu_wrld/o_kha/Historical%20Overview.htm&am p;am p;am p;qu ot;

If you are trying to prove from your contrived "sincere" bs that "Muslims" of the Middle Ages were anti-learning then you need to read your history more closely, and the libraries of the Maghreb that rivalled and excelled any libraries around the globe at the time, not to mention were it not for the "open minded" transmission by Arab and Muslim scientists the European rennaissance would never have become a reality in the progression of knowledge.

#546- give it up, the use of rockets successfully in the battlefield first occurred in India and it totally dessimated the British and was much advanced than anything they could muster. These are historical facts, and bigotry cannot counter them.

Re: # 543
Rocket and solid propellent was invented in China.
Tipu and all were foot soldiers of Mysore Kingdom (Wodeyars). Due to internal turmoil in the royal family, they had taken control of the Kingdom and wreked havoc on Iyengars. British people kicked these ruffians and re-instated the King. Please read the history of Mysore kingdom.

Did any of the mughal kings build a single
library? May be sultanates did? How about
Ghori or Gazanavi or Talpurs or Soomros?
Or numerous southern Shahis or Qasims?
I have not heard or read, so I am asking.
As it is I do not know much.

I am being censored by CHOWK STAFF. My ilogs the newest and latest being posted do not show up on the front page. Nobody knows of them and nobody can read them. This is a very stupid way of secretly trying to censor someone. I demand that this BS be fixed.

#541 you are an ignoramus you need to read the history of the British wars with Haider ali and Tipu, first time rockets were ever used on the battlefield and the British were totally outclassed and out tech-ed by solid fuel rockets. You on the other hand want to discount all of that because you i) want to tell us that British colonization was what "developed" India, when it ruined it totally ii) are an anti-Muslim bigot. Neither i) nor ii) qualifies as any kind of scholarship, it qualifies as ignorance and you with your factless BS are one of the biggest ignoramuses on this site.

#540 a joke devoid of any substance. India at the heels of the British colonialism would never be at the front viz a viz other nations had the Mughals done anything to stop the progress. In fact the British found it relatively easy to colonize the land because it was so decentralized, autonomous and quite liberal...

The Chowk staff "dogs" are preventing me from having my ilogs display on the front page, they are immediately (instantly after posting)removed from display. This is quite outrageous

Re: # 537
Rocket technology?
These are all Chinese stuff. Most of the stuff, India use today is of British origin...
Miliraty H/W- What kind of military H/W?

Re: # 537
There was almost 0 value addition during Mughal period. What new mughals have added in textile technology? Some form of stiching etc...Indian textile industry was matured long before islamic invastion. Textile was one of the major exports from India even before Christ. India has learned quite a couple of skills from China. What was the source of technology, which mughals have contributed?
Regarding losses-
Entire Ayrveda (Medical Science) was stopped further progress and even large amount of knowledge was lost. Some very authentic Ayurvedic methods are still available in Kerala and Pune (Where Shivaji was able to protect from islamic barbarians). Kerala was never ruled by muslim rulers.
It repeats for most of the fields ( Literature, Mathematics, Astronomy...).

Arjun, learn how to read (my supposed ancestors, and the tale that goes with that, does not refer to "all Arabs") and don't put words in my mouth. I have totally f'd up your (and your friend's) arguments (or lack thereof) in trying to compare Arab conquest with European colonialism, every time you're beaten back you come up with greater than before absurdity. Give it up fool.

#534 Posted by masadi on January 24, 2008 6:59:27 pm


No, they came as immigrants.


the arabs were "immigrants" who came to india, presumably, on tourist visas..

right....

That FACT is proven by India being one of the richest most prosperous and technologically and industrially uptodate area at the heels of British colonization- refer to the textile industry as well as military hardware like rocket technology- and after British colonization being a society of railroad squatters and impoverished people who had no sense of self worth and were easily manipulated to butcher each other

In #534 read "relatively benign kind as that of India" by the Mugals, the colonization of India by the British sucked the blood out of the country and was not benign...just a clarification.