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#535 Posted by nkg on January 24, 2008 6:59:28 pm
Re: # 497
That is your perception. Muslims in India try to glorify Mughal period. Even ICHR is dominated by those people and we read distorted history. But , when comes to quantify the gains, they fails to justify with evidence. I am no expert of Middle east. But for Afghanistan, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh, islamic period started the doom. And the trend continues.
That is your perception. Muslims in India try to glorify Mughal period. Even ICHR is dominated by those people and we read distorted history. But , when comes to quantify the gains, they fails to justify with evidence. I am no expert of Middle east. But for Afghanistan, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh, islamic period started the doom. And the trend continues.
#534 Posted by masadi on January 24, 2008 6:59:27 pm
arjun writes "your ancestors came from iraq as occupiers"
No, they came as immigrants. I don't support any occupation be it of the relatively benign kind as that of India or the barbaric kind as the European occupation of North America. You on the other hand use every excuse in the book to soothe your bigotry against Islam, even though you don't have brains enough to counter my arguments in the context of the baseless comparison of Arab conquest viz a viz US/European colonization and neo-imperialism...
No, they came as immigrants. I don't support any occupation be it of the relatively benign kind as that of India or the barbaric kind as the European occupation of North America. You on the other hand use every excuse in the book to soothe your bigotry against Islam, even though you don't have brains enough to counter my arguments in the context of the baseless comparison of Arab conquest viz a viz US/European colonization and neo-imperialism...
#533 Posted by arjun_5 on January 24, 2008 6:34:00 pm
#523 Posted by masadi on January 24, 2008 2:52:39 pm
masadi...your ancestors came from iraq as occupiers..of coruse, you think all islamic occupation was good...it's only non-muslims occupying muslim land that is bad....
masadi...your ancestors came from iraq as occupiers..of coruse, you think all islamic occupation was good...it's only non-muslims occupying muslim land that is bad....
#532 Posted by arjun_5 on January 24, 2008 6:31:22 pm
#524 Posted by HP on January 24, 2008 3:03:18 pm
who went to some ghati college in Mumbai!
yup..at our ghati college in bombay, they didn't teach us network forensics tricks...like how to prove asia times as actually a front group for an intelligence agency...you know..the way you proved it...
who went to some ghati college in Mumbai!
yup..at our ghati college in bombay, they didn't teach us network forensics tricks...like how to prove asia times as actually a front group for an intelligence agency...you know..the way you proved it...
#531 Posted by anil on January 24, 2008 5:14:13 pm
Re: # 530
Mohar:
China's biggest challenge is what I mentioned in Deng Xiao Ping's quote. Assimilation of entire China.
India and China have co-existed for 5,000 years, what is 50 years in the life time. I was forunate to meet with Chairman of Tatung in Taipei. His collection on India of Chinese writings, painting etc. from South China was amazing. Todate, if you start looking, travelouges of Chinese are the finest testimonials anyone can write.
India and China must not compete and find to collaborate to create markets of 40% of the world's population. This will ensure no one ever domoniate the world and colonize it.
Mohar:
China's biggest challenge is what I mentioned in Deng Xiao Ping's quote. Assimilation of entire China.
India and China have co-existed for 5,000 years, what is 50 years in the life time. I was forunate to meet with Chairman of Tatung in Taipei. His collection on India of Chinese writings, painting etc. from South China was amazing. Todate, if you start looking, travelouges of Chinese are the finest testimonials anyone can write.
India and China must not compete and find to collaborate to create markets of 40% of the world's population. This will ensure no one ever domoniate the world and colonize it.
#530 Posted by mohar11 on January 24, 2008 4:24:32 pm
Re: # 515 zee
I have heard that from sinophiles "china thinks 50 years ahead"... if that were true, they wouldn't have gone for communism in the first place, would they? They would have known that it ain't going to work...
And let's see - they started "Great leap forward" - that killed about 20 million people, within a space of 10 years... they should have figure that one out, before leaping into that unimaginable disaster... I mean 20 million died of starvation, no less...
And if that wasn't enough - 10 years later,they started "cultural revolution"... another disaster...
Don't get me wrong - their recent achievement is very impressive... but let's not go overboard here... there are whole lot troubles lurking under the surface in that country...
I have heard that from sinophiles "china thinks 50 years ahead"... if that were true, they wouldn't have gone for communism in the first place, would they? They would have known that it ain't going to work...
And let's see - they started "Great leap forward" - that killed about 20 million people, within a space of 10 years... they should have figure that one out, before leaping into that unimaginable disaster... I mean 20 million died of starvation, no less...
And if that wasn't enough - 10 years later,they started "cultural revolution"... another disaster...
Don't get me wrong - their recent achievement is very impressive... but let's not go overboard here... there are whole lot troubles lurking under the surface in that country...
#529 Posted by anil on January 24, 2008 4:13:57 pm
HP Mian:
"...har aik muskarahat muskan nahi hoti nafrat ho ya mohabbat aasan nahi hoti...."
Your hatred truly has deep roots. Get it out, it is never too late.
"...har aik muskarahat muskan nahi hoti nafrat ho ya mohabbat aasan nahi hoti...."
Your hatred truly has deep roots. Get it out, it is never too late.
#528 Posted by anil on January 24, 2008 3:47:42 pm
Aapki samajah ke bahar hai. Lagta hai Sindh ki Ghati se bhage hain. Nafrat hi nafrat rah gayi saath mein.
#527 Posted by HP on January 24, 2008 3:15:47 pm
heheheh... see how the Harvard business School Graduate and has an email addy to prove, writes...
#526 Posted by anil on January 24, 2008 3:12:27 pm
Re: # 524
HP Mian:
Kitne Mother Burners aur Ganesh mutants aapko dehshad detein hain?
App "Sindh ki Ghati" ke Mother Burners aur Ganesh mutants se tou bhage hue hain. Mumbai ki Ghati ki sooch sooch kar neend haram kar rahe hain.
Your hatred is genetic. Still try to get rid of your hatred. Then you may have brain left to go beyond and pico, nano and micro analysis.
Then again Mother Burners and Ganesh mutants get you.
HP Mian:
Kitne Mother Burners aur Ganesh mutants aapko dehshad detein hain?
App "Sindh ki Ghati" ke Mother Burners aur Ganesh mutants se tou bhage hue hain. Mumbai ki Ghati ki sooch sooch kar neend haram kar rahe hain.
Your hatred is genetic. Still try to get rid of your hatred. Then you may have brain left to go beyond and pico, nano and micro analysis.
Then again Mother Burners and Ganesh mutants get you.
#525 Posted by anil on January 24, 2008 3:05:22 pm
Re: # 521
Massaddi Mian:
Aaj mere ko gussa nahin aa raha hai. Aap se angrezie seekh leinge.
Massaddi Mian:
Aaj mere ko gussa nahin aa raha hai. Aap se angrezie seekh leinge.
#524 Posted by HP on January 24, 2008 3:03:18 pm
#520 Posted by masadi
“except that arjun is equal in bigotry but comparatively smarter than anil-“
hun…did you not know that the guy is a Harvard business School Graduate and has an email addy to prove that?(you can send him an email, he will respond to that. hehehe)
Isn’t that a disgrace that the HBS Graduate is not smarter than arjun, who went to some ghati college in Mumbai!
#523 Posted by masadi on January 24, 2008 2:52:39 pm
majumdar writes "And of course in many countries like Pakistan locals are ashamed of admitting that they are of local descent and start inventing mythical ancestors (from Iraq for eg)."
You are clearly turning out to be a similar idiot like arjun and anil. When it has been clearly explained to you that descent does not matter in Islam but matters totally in Hinudism and its caste ridden system, you repeat this BS. If someone claims "way back" ancestory from Iraq which matters not because in the middle is all local stuff, that does not mean he is in someway "ashamed" of local ethnicity. That is the Hindu mindset where they accepted the definition given to their ethnicity by the white man, Muslims did not
You are clearly turning out to be a similar idiot like arjun and anil. When it has been clearly explained to you that descent does not matter in Islam but matters totally in Hinudism and its caste ridden system, you repeat this BS. If someone claims "way back" ancestory from Iraq which matters not because in the middle is all local stuff, that does not mean he is in someway "ashamed" of local ethnicity. That is the Hindu mindset where they accepted the definition given to their ethnicity by the white man, Muslims did not
#522 Posted by anil on January 24, 2008 2:12:12 pm
Re: # 514
Zeemax sahib:
Like you, I also have very high regard for the Chinese. As I recall from BiGE - Big Government & Economies class on China. Chinese model has been based on restricted movement of Labor, decentralized taxattion - revenue / bribes etc. collected stayed where the development was concentrated. This was discussed as the biggest challenge for China would be, Deng Xiao Ping was quoted that China will have till 2020 to fix this. Inland farmers are routinely paid IOUs for their crops. Apparently, in the past history of China, some emporor tried to consolidate and failed.
One thing for sure, Chinese FDI is hard to track. It is comingled with short term capital. Much like a game of ponzie, by the Global Chinese from Taiwan, Hong Kong, Thailand, Indonesia, Malayesia and Singapore.
If you otherwise look the amount of FDI in China and its affect, is much inferior to the FDI in India. Why is it so? My answer is that the same FDI is counted manytimes over. China is more productive and efficient than India. There is simply no denial that China has almost arrived. It has a clout to create waves in the world.
Zeemax sahib:
Like you, I also have very high regard for the Chinese. As I recall from BiGE - Big Government & Economies class on China. Chinese model has been based on restricted movement of Labor, decentralized taxattion - revenue / bribes etc. collected stayed where the development was concentrated. This was discussed as the biggest challenge for China would be, Deng Xiao Ping was quoted that China will have till 2020 to fix this. Inland farmers are routinely paid IOUs for their crops. Apparently, in the past history of China, some emporor tried to consolidate and failed.
One thing for sure, Chinese FDI is hard to track. It is comingled with short term capital. Much like a game of ponzie, by the Global Chinese from Taiwan, Hong Kong, Thailand, Indonesia, Malayesia and Singapore.
If you otherwise look the amount of FDI in China and its affect, is much inferior to the FDI in India. Why is it so? My answer is that the same FDI is counted manytimes over. China is more productive and efficient than India. There is simply no denial that China has almost arrived. It has a clout to create waves in the world.
#521 Posted by anil on January 24, 2008 1:59:45 pm
Re: # 520
Massaddi Mian:
Apka dimaag lajawaab hai. Again zero content.
Massaddi Mian:
Apka dimaag lajawaab hai. Again zero content.
#520 Posted by masadi on January 24, 2008 1:53:56 pm
In #519 read anil writes as "arjun writes"- though there is very little difference between the two, except that arjun is equal in bigotry but comparatively smarter than anil- he can also write half way decent English unlike anil.
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