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US Conspiracy to Destablize Pakistan?

Moeed Pirzada January 18, 2008

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#503 Posted by arjun_5 on January 24, 2008 5:25:20 am
US conspiracy to keep allah's chosen muslims(allah's jews) down!!

Pakistan at 92nd position in GCI


By Khaleeq Kiani


DAVOS, Jan 23: Pakistan occupies 92nd position among 131 countries in the global competitiveness index (GCI) while India ranked 48th.

According to the Global Competitiveness Report 2007-08, released at the start of three-day World Economic Forum (WEF) here on Wednesday, the US tops the GCI index with a score of 5.67, followed by Switzerland (5.62).

Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Finland, Singapore, Japan, UK and the Netherlands are among the top 10 countries in that order.

Malaysia occupies 21st position with a score of 5.10 while Kuwait, Qatar, Tunisia and Saudi Arabia occupied rankings of 30, 31, 32 and 35, respectively.

India stands at 48th position with a score of 4.33 while Pakistan’s 92nd position is with a score of 3.77 while Bangladesh is ranked at 107 with 3.55 marks.

In the 2006-07 index with 122 countries, Pakistan was on the 83rd position, and this year it has shown a decline of ten positions. It not only gave way to other competitors, the country also lost scores. Its score last year was 3.82 points.

In the sub-index of basic facilities, Pakistan is ranked at 98. While its infrastructure and institutions stand at 72 and 81 positions, Pakistan’s macroeconomic stability and health and basic education are ranked at 101 and 115th positions.

Pakistan is ranked at 81st position in efficiency enhancing factors by securing 28 positions in market size and 116 in education and training.

Last year, India had occupied 42nd position among 122 countries and it had secured 4.47 scores in the GCI.The US has succeeded in maintaining its first position since last year. China that stood at 35th position last year has improved its ranking by one step to 34, also improving its scores from 4.55 to 4.57 this year.

The series of Global Competitiveness Report evolved over the last three decades offers invaluable insight into policies, institutions and factors driving productivity, enabling sustained economic growth and long-term prosperity.

Report provides users with a comprehensive data on a broad array of competitiveness indicators for a large number of industrialised and developing economies.

This year’s edition features record 131 economies, accounting for more than 98 per cent of the world’s GDP.

The Global Competitiveness Report includes the World Economic Forum’s Global Competitiveness Index, developed by Prof Xavier Sala-i-Martin, at Columbia University; the Business Competitiveness Index, developed by Prof Michael E. Porter, Director of the Institute for Strategy and Competitiveness at Harvard Business School as well as detailed profiles for each of the 131 economies covered and data tables displaying relative rankings for more than 100 variables.
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#502 Posted by mohar11 on January 24, 2008 5:24:45 am
zee

You keep talking aabout "if china does this or that"...why would china do all that you are suggesting?... why would it stop selling stuff? its own survival depends on its trade to US and europe...

As an emerging economy, china is in a more precarious situation politically and economically then the better established countries in N. America and Europe.... if the economy goes south in china- there is no telling what's going to happen there... there were 80,000 riots last year even when times are good... China is in no position to "take away the ladder" or threaten US with economic damage... they will suffer much more, if they do that...
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#501 Posted by ferozk on January 24, 2008 5:21:49 am
Re: nkg # 487

Hernan Cortes was a plunder and a looter, whose expedition to South America was self-financed, mostly, in search for personal glory. The much touted Age of Exploration's motto was "God, Gold, Glory" and in this, God was an after thought. The so-called "explorers" were opportunists, whose idea of exploration was a means to enrich themselves and they caused more harm to the cultures they came into contact with than they benefitted them.

Pizzaro practiced genocide and between the introduction of European diseases (small-pox, measles and common cold), alcohol and mass murder, the explorers from Spain annihilated entire communities of Aztecs and Mayans. The Spanish rule of their South American and Caribbean possesions was marked by a rule of racial prejudice, religious intolerance and social apartheid.

The explorers from Portugal were no different. The struggle for the control of the spice trade, which brought the Portugese to India and then towards the Far East, was marked by acts of political terror, such as collective punishment for Muslim and Hindu traders, who did not trade with them. The Portugese committed acts against the local populations that Nazi doctors at Auschwitz would have balked at from doing!

The Portugese, under Prince Henry the Navigator went to Africa in search of gold, but they did not find gold and instead they brought a few captured Africans back to Lisbon and sold them. The sale was so profitable, that they would start trading in "black gold" and in the process, institutionalized slavery and made Lisbon the center of European slave trade.

The Portugese and the Dutch provided weapons to the Japanese warlords, which fuelled the Japanese civil war in the late 1500s and early 1600s, because they were fighting each other over the control of the spice trade and were using the Japanese to fight their proxy wars; the Japanese died and the European profited. The introduction of European weaponary into Japan, increased the lethality of Japanese civil wars to such an extent that when Tokoguwa established his shogunate in the 1600s, he killed all the Europeans in Japan in order to secure the peace.

Francis Drake was a thief and pirate, who stole gold from Spanish main and gave it to Elizabeth, and which paid for England's Golden Age. The stolen Spanish gold was sold in Amsterdam, and this not only devauled the price of gold in Europe, but caused a massive inflation in Spain and the first economic recession in Europe.

As to the European educational institutions; they were only for the Europeans. European educational institutions in Africa, for example, were exclusively for Europeans and so were the European hospitals and the roads build by the Europeans were not open for the Africans to travel upon and the best agricultural lands were taken from the Africans and converted into tea and coffee plantations to feed the needs of the commerical capitalism in Europe.

Historic truths should not be gloried and though, I am against the ideas of politically correct history; the reality is that the European contact with the outside world was a devasting experience for the non-European world. The Congress of Berlin, in 1878, called the "scramble for Africa" drew the lines on the map of Africa in the name of colonization, which tore asunder African communites and were/are responsible for the present day problems in Africa.

The peace treaty of Versailles in 1919, based on the understanding of the Skyes-Picot pact, established the present-day Middle East and what was settled between two bureaucrats in a Cairo hotel room in 1916, would be responsible for the killing of millions not yet born!

I have read my history, as you adviced, but I do not agree with you and your version of history. :)

Ciao
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#500 Posted by arjun_5 on January 24, 2008 5:01:03 am
#498 Posted by zeemax on January 24, 2008 4:54:10 am


I was talking about was that this ladder can be pulled out from under them by China.


you're still dreaming of islamic abdul suckling the yellow teat and going on do defeat the great satan?

maybe you should ask the chinese why they're loaning money to the US to finance it's consumption...i doubt a single chinese will tell you it's out of love for the US or altruism...

stick to the basics...learn the difference between amaranth and amarnath...then pretend to be an expert...
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#499 Posted by arjun_5 on January 24, 2008 4:58:03 am
#463 Posted by masadi on January 23, 2008 5:43:01 pm


If you are talking about the Arab conquests of the past, the world is much different qualitatively now- they could never approach doing to the globe what these barbarians are doing, the means of destruction, power and wealth at their command is vastly greater and the reach much further than anything the Arabs could muster, and leave "Muslim" out of it. If the "Muslims" had done to India


there goes masadi again...being the apologist for islamic colonialism....according to masadi, and presumably mills, some forms of colonialism are ok..in fact, they're even benefecial....

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#498 Posted by zeemax on January 24, 2008 4:54:10 am
#492 Posted by ijaz_gul,

Cheap Chinese stuff increases their standard of living and savings.

But that's exactly my point. What if that cheap Chinese is stuff isn't cheap anymore, or not available at all? Will not US then be forced to go back to manufacturing low value-added stuff of its own instead of the very high-end stuff it now exports, and thus lower its standard of living? Or do without, say, DVD players?

In fact, China has become the factory of the world. Its cost advantage is said to be over 40% Vis a vis the cheapest competing nations like S. Korea and Taiwan, let alone Japan. It practically has a monopoly now on all consumer goods (both durable and non-durable except automobiles which is only a matter of time) which the typical middle income family uses across the world.

China's this very advantage in low-end markets has enabled the G7 countries to move up the value-addition ladder. What I was talking about was that this ladder can be pulled out from under them by China.

If China does that, it will only hurt its coastal belt special economic zones' economy which is a small fraction of the rest of China which is rigidly Communist, and nothing will change there - while G7 will have to retool part of its industry back to low-end.
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#497 Posted by rf786 on January 24, 2008 2:36:21 am
Re: # 496

nkg

There is a term in behavioral finance called "recency bias" where investors perceive gains and losses according to the recent history. Big mistake. Same applies to other aspects of life, when u look at the present situation of third world countries inhabitated by Muslims or once ruled by them you have a dilapidated position reflective of current malaise. What is not remembered or forgotten are the good times or positive contributions made by that particular civilization. Had u access to a time machine and traveleld back in time when ottoman empire was at its peak, then they were the most benevolent, moderate and advanced society. There again, if you read Nernard Lewis it gives one a very good account of Muslim civilization contribution.
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#496 Posted by nkg on January 24, 2008 1:11:24 am
Re: # 495
I am not against Arabs. The degrade of humanity under the influence of Islam pains me (whether it is in Thailand, Indonesia, Afhganistan, Egypt, Pakistan, UP, Bihar ( Indian States), Bangladesh...). These places, with great history and doomed present deserves sympathy.
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#495 Posted by rf786 on January 23, 2008 11:24:10 pm
Re: # 481

nkg

Although not well regarded in the Muslim world but quite comprehensive is Bernard Lewis book on Muslim civilization "The Middle East". If you wish to understand the current myopic aversion with everything Arab/Muslim then read Edward Said excellent boo "Orientalism".
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#494 Posted by rf786 on January 23, 2008 11:12:05 pm
Re: # 483

Ma sahib

Another excellent book is by Paul kennedy, "Rise and fall of empires".

Regards

Arif
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#493 Posted by nkg on January 23, 2008 10:41:15 pm
Re: # 490

May I also add, 'the Wonder that was India' and te fact that most of the knowledge was transplanted to Europe through Arab/Muslim traders and conquerors from the East.

Ans:
China and India exchanged knowledge/skill and have nice trade relation without attacking each other for thousands of years (1962 is the first instance and should be the last one).
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#492 Posted by ijaz_gul on January 23, 2008 10:36:46 pm
Zeemax,
I would disagree with you.
USA has a very competetive domestic economy.Thats what caused the crash of 30's but no more.Gold Dollar Equation ensures it will not happen again because it prevents the economy from over heating. Cheap Chinese stuff increases their standard of living and savings.
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#491 Posted by nkg on January 23, 2008 10:33:43 pm
Re: # 483

In addition, North Am, parts of South Am and Australia were regions were thinly populated and were suitable for settlement by goras (Europe was overpopulated) so there was an incentive plus it was easy to clean out the local people either by force or thru accident (disease). By contrast Asia and Africa were not really suitable for gora habitat and there were far too many locals to exterminate.


Ans: People always look for fortune and if possible then they settle there. Europeans have settled in North America and Australia without much involvement of British Royals. This is similar to people flocking to USA and settling there in last 40 years. If, after 40 years, most of the people in LA, USA become ethnically Indian, can we tell that as Indian invasion? I will differ here. How you are sure that you will survive in an alien land after exterminating locals? There are certain reason for maginalization of locals in Australia and America. But violence is not the only reason.
Coming back to the point; so, it is impossible for external invaders to totally subdue locals in India. Furthermore, to survive in India, you need the help of local people.
Regarding WWI and WWII, the fatal weapons were not in the hand of moslems. That is the reason statistically, europeans killed more people. If you provide the same technology of Israel to Iran ( Khoneini or some Imam of Mosque), you know what would have happened to Israel? What this Hamas,Hezbullah, LeT etc... are doing with limited technology and resource, is enough to prove islamic barbarism.
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#490 Posted by ijaz_gul on January 23, 2008 10:29:19 pm
Re: # 486
Its not a question of ignoring the typos. The difference in both is that in Colonialism, local resources are exploited and very little spent on local human resource development.Its a form of slavery and countries even after getting independence remain tangled in tied trade etc.The develpoment theory is based on dependence.
In colonisation, an entire culture and race is transplanted as an extension of the mother country.The development theory is based on Develpoment.

#487,
May I also add, 'the Wonder that was India' and te fact that most of the knowledge was transplanted to Europe through Arab/Muslim traders and conquerors from the East.
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#489 Posted by zeemax on January 23, 2008 10:00:20 pm
#445 Posted by anil

That is why had debated Zeemax sahib, on his theory of destroying the U.S. economy by asking Chinese to inject inflation.

err .. Anil Saheb, this wasn't the theory at all. The theory I presented was that US was more dependant on China for its economy than the other way around.

Do correct the record!
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#488 Posted by majumdar on January 23, 2008 9:56:54 pm
Nkg,

(Have the native American able to provide Evidence of large scale destruction like we Indians?)

I will try to find sources, else you can always depend on Masadi sahib.

(They were mostly within Europe and adjacent areas. )

If Peru, Brazil and Argentina are "adjacent areas of Europe" I have nothing more to add.

(My basic point is European settlers has created excellent academic/industrial/social infrastructure wherever they have gone)

Here I agree with you.

(Egypt to Afghanistan. Places with great history, no current achievement. )

Again, I agree with you.

Regards
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