Shahjahan’s “Moorti” and Other Absurdities in Agra

Ref mohar11 #140

[mullah32

Another ignoramus paki pulling stuff from youknowhere... Hinuds were travelling the "globe" when your imagined bedouined ancestors still swinging from the tree... :)

there was heavy trade and cultural exchanges with southeast asia. That's why the area is also called Indo-China.And the largest country there called Indonesia - it still has hindu cultural underpins - even though recent islamic surge is spreading there to the detriment of the country....

The largest hinud temple is actually in cambodia, Angkor Wakt.

As far as - travels beyond the western borders, I don't have that much information. may be somebody can throw some light there...]

According to Mullah32 and his campfollowers, only the camel-jockeys have gone across the world in search of trade.

He will make an exception for his friends the Chinese. Wait for him to claim that Christopher Columbus was actually a Muslim and that all American-Indians were Muslims who lost track of their Islamic heritage!

It is well-known that Emperor Ashoka sent his own daughter Sanghamitra as his envoy to Sri Lanka to spread Buddhism there.

Legend has it that the Chinese martial arts were taught to them by an Indian holy man who went to China.

Alexander on his return to Greece from India took with him an Indian philosopher.

These are examples of peaceful transmission of Indian culture to foreign lands.

In terms of conquests, the kings of the Chola country (roughly, the central part of today's Tamil Nadu state) repeatedly waged war against and reduced to submission kingdoms in Sri Lanka, Burma, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand and Cambodia. The Burmese, Thai and Sinhalese languages are written in a modified form of Pali script. Many people in these lands converted to Hinduism. In fact, the Kings of Thailand adopt the regnal name Rama upon ascension to the throne; the current king, Bhumibol, is officially Rama IX. The ancient capital of Thailand, about 50 miles from Bangkok, is Ayutthaya (Ayodhya). Bangkok itself has among its names the word Ratnakosin. The Royal barge is called Suwannahongsa (Swarna hamsa - Golden Swan). You can see thousands of incidents of Hindu culture and language in Thai society.

After the volcanic eruption in 1883 of Krakatoa, Muslim missionaries falsely stated that the volcanic eruption was due to the worship of false gods by the Hindu population of Indonesia and this was Allah's punishment. The population converted en masse to Islam. I wonder how Mullah32 will characterize the tsunami of three years ago that laid waste Indonesia. Is that Shiva's revenge?

Borobudur near Jogjakarta in central Jave is a huge Buddhist stupa. The island of Bali and parts of nearby Lombok are still Hindu.

Malay language has heavily borrowed from Tamil and Sanskrit several words. The word for 'book' is 'pustaka', a Sanskrit word. Currently, it is 'buku' because of the Malaysian zeal to create a new vocabulary. I can give thousands of examples of such Indian influence on Southeast Asia.

Mulla32 needs to get his head out of his @rse.

Re: # 134

Dear Truly,

Believe me, you don't want to know what the evil doctor did, and how he wound up being murdered for his wicked adventures in interpreting the Qur'an!

His followers call themselves Submitters and not Muslims! I know of a few web sites where they propagate the 19 message.

True, the number 19 is mentioned cryptically in the Qur'an, but only as a test for both the believers and the disbelievers. See 74:13 and compare those varying shades of meanings people have come up with.

Now check this out my friend: http://www.geocities.com/masad02/074.html#074.C.015

There is no guidance in mis-guidance.

Peace.

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moron11 #147 ha! ha! trying to get the 20 posts needed for a second bone on the cheap by cutting and pasting them??

you have to work for it, boy. i want 20 posts starting with Mullah32, individually written and demonstrating your campfollower loyalty in reading my posts by referring to something I wrote, before I will toss you another bone. So get to work and stop trying to take shortcuts.

Oops, my bad...

Mullah32

I know you read all my posts, you are just too shy to admit it... come on mullah, admit it... :)

Mullah32

I know you read all my posts, you are just too shy to admit it... come on mullah, admit it... :)

Mullah32

I know you read all my posts, you are just too shy to admit it... come on mullah, admit it... :)

A lot of information about hindu civilization is either lost or not recorded to begin with... Some blame it on invaders... I think it's simply because Hindus simply lost their way... After long tradition of quest for knowledge, they degenerated themselved into rigidity, superstition and caste system... So knowledge was never transferred down the generations... Society did not advance as it should have, which is why it fell to invaders in the first place...

campfollower mohar: I told you I do not read posts from fools like you. But, being a generous man and in recognition of your loyal campfollowing, I do toss you a bone once every 20 posts. Since this is the first post you have written lately, I am please to toss you this bone. No go for it, rover!!

further to #139: although admittedly the impact of indian scholars was much more limited than that of the greeks , whose "yoonaani tibb", i.e. ionian (meaning greek) medicine, science, math, philosophy were all eagerly translated and adopted by muslims. The hindu contribution was giving the arabs and from them the world the numbering system. But those were open-minded muslims.

In closing their minds to western civilization the past few centuries, too many muslims have tossed away the very tradition of open-mindedness that led to their glorious rise in the 8th - 14th centuries, and which ended with the mongol invasions.

Muslims never recovered from the ravages of the mongols, and have gone down the drain over the centuries as they switched into the same mongol-like savagery of absolute kingships that has lasted to this day in the form of dictatorships and calls for the khilafat.

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Urstruly: After Ben Qasem's invasion of Sindh, hindu scholars were invited to Baghdad, where they sat side by side with scholars from greece. I am surprised you forget this obvious impact.

As for the hindu influence on the kaaba, that seems to be a laddu to be enjoyed but not taken seriously.

Re: # 136

My questions were not intended to insult you but should be taken in the spirit of inquiry. What laddu has propounded as his theory on Hindu influence on Kaaba, requires an evidence of Hindu civilization upon Arab civilization. My point was that that while the influence of Egyptian, Persian and Roman Empires upon Arabs is a well documented fact we do not see any such evidence favoring the Hindu influence on Arab culture and civilization. As a matter of fact i only heard such a notion yesterday at this board, and I am curious to see any evidence; while laddu pleads that his theories be taken seriously.

bubba: That has to be the most contrived excuse I have ever heard!! What urstruly writes is an obvious and factual statement.

Hindus simply do not have a history of sending out caravans for trade as was done for centuries by middle eastern people, much less produce any travellers who have enriched human history with their accounts like ibn-batuta as the muslims produced. Indeed, for centuries hindus considered it sacriligeous to even take a boat journey across the sea.

Re: # 130 Posted by Urstruly on January 24, 2008 7:25:16 pm

[I have yet to come across any evidence that Hindus as merchants travelled to Arabia to go to Africa or Europe following the trade routes of those days. At least I have never seen any such record.]

How can you ever have written evidence when arab/muslim invaders burnt everything?