A History of the Pakistan Army by Brian Cloughley

That was okay Zee, The guy asked for it. I had already ruined her day on FP...

#72 Posted by HP,

No it is not that. The army are Pakistanis too. Why should I paint them with a wide brush? They take care of their own and it's a good thing. It is no dog eat dog in the army.

'When Fauji Cement got in serious trouble they went to IFC "

So they got a loan from Wash. And what does that prove?
You think cement is some big business or does that mean something different?

But really HP Sain ... enjoyed that exchange of yours with Shisha-Apa on UP. You really riled her up. LoL.

Zee, silly questions wont help your cause. Every islamist/ jihadi will eventually support the army and you are no different!

HP,

What is this argmuent every fking thing is owned by the army. It is just an accounting entry.

No it is not. Damn. You just don't know facts. When Fauji Cement got in serious trouble they went to IFC (International Finance Corporation, the private-sector arm of World Bank) to rescue them, not to the Pakistan Government.

HP Sain, have you actually read the book or just read reviews?

madani...what's up with this? maybe you need to change the measure...start counting in cents instead of $$s?

Portfolio investment down to worst position

IRFAN MALIK
KARACHI - The portfolio investment is continuously coming down to its worst position and stood negative at $ 0.17 million, reflecting the exclusion of foreign investment from the equity market in the wake of increasing political instability and deteriorating law and order situation of the country.
On January 15, 2008 the State Bank of Pakistan has reported that the net flow of the portfolio investment has landed into negative by $0.17 million dollar, depicting decline of $0.18 million dollar as compared to $0.35 million dollar recorded on January 10, 2008.
A major outflow of portfolio investment had been recorded from the United Kingdom, Singapore, Hong Kong, B.V Island and Australia.
All aforesaid countries have ejected $ 358.53 million dollars worth investment from the stock during July 07 to Jan 15, 2008.
According to the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) data, the UK investors withdrew $202.83 million, Singapore$39 million, Hong Kong $22.7 million, B.V Island $46.2 million and Australia $47.8 during the above mentioned period. The stock market reflects net outflow of $ $2.548 billion dollar and inflow of $2.530 billion dollar foreign investments during the above said period.
“Apparently hedges funds performed not well in equities during December07 and current month of 2008, while moderate decline was witnessed in hedge funds in January resulted in massive outflow of foreign investment,” senior researcher Atif Malik at JS Global said.

Hamid Gul Sued her?
Where? She is still in Pakistan and if there is a case she must be fighting it.
"Retirement benefits come from the Federal budget. Pakistan's don't."
What is this argmuent every fking thing is owned by the army. It is just an accounting entry.

Madani Sahib, Aap sumjhdar aadmi hain or main aap say debate nahin karonga. However, Any army that breaks every law of the country is corrupt there is no if and buts abt it.

She did not disclose any state secrets. The army would not have let her sit out of the jail, if she had done that.
These are documented facts. If you are interested I can show you army Generals owned property throughout Sindh.

Unfortunately, we have an army which is more a traitor to the country than the defender. The more you learn abt this army the better it would be for you to find out who is to be blamed for problems in Pakistan.

Madani Saheb,

I like Aitezaz frequently quoting "Khatra hai deewaaron ko, lambi lambi caroN ko. Khatrey mein Islam nahiN" ....

#65 Posted by ahmedmadani,

Madani Saheb, Has musharraf renewed the NRO or not yet? It was going to expire I think on 3 Feb. He was keeping it hanging to blackmail Zardari.

Re: # 63 no he was realeased and again put under arrest.
All establishment wants that. He is for restoring judges that can kill Zardari and president and former PM mr. Aziz. and BB's clean washed imaged made will be soilded by 1.5 billion accounting problem. PPP and president and all establishment and even BB hated this man . HIs problem is he does not want to flow with current but go against current and to source of problem and make harams accountable. Too much troublesome and can not be bought. BB in final days was enraged she is/was too shrewd to know without NRO there will be nothing as you loose reputation and money and every thing is lost.
Musharaff has termed him as dog it tells all.

Re: # 62 sorry not HP but UStruely is revolutionary type,
Sorry morning and head is not working properly. Just little confusion

#62 Posted by ahmedmadani,

Madani Saheb, contempt against mutarraf is justified. I heard he finally released Aitezaz? Is it correct?

Re: # 60 Problem is this lady writer put out defence secrets.
Some can say these were open secrets but still rediculing and calling army as simple commerical baniya operation like hindu baniya was going beyond unsaid boundaries of behavior or patriotic person. I have stated feeling there are many red sympathiser her plain old marxists to socialist to diet and lite socialist all united in making chaos and advance revolution and changes with out elections and old russian sympathiser which are also Indophiles as they like elected marxist govts in India, and will like that type elected. But they will never succeed as religious parties can easily inflame people away from class struggle or trade unions. Fortunately trade unions are dead which is normal way to get in power for socialist like indian marxists. There are no people who are marxist but too many educated people as propoor, and left sympathiser,education here has liberal socialist leaning and they redicule pak Muslim. That has entered even minds of second sex. Women are refusing to marry good people as they are "little" religious. God knows what women want just socialist Lafangas and damn irreligious men and they feel religious young men are willnot be good husbands. Etc.
Hp is kind of professional revolutionary advocationg contempt for hard working people of young low soldiers who have to work for food everybody has to job.Liberals are damaging fabric ofsociety by advocating revolutions and contempt against president etc. Good morning for everybody.

#60 Posted by HP,

They have never denied any thing she wrote but were quick to call her India supported.

Not correct. Hamid Gul has sued her for Rs. 1 billion for defamation and she has no defense.

Which army in the world works as the employment Bureau for the retired?

That's correct. No other army. Every other army's people retire at around the same age and their retirement benefits come from the Federal budget. Pakistan's don't. Only the serving Army's compensation is paid from the budget.

You create a privilege class by adding premium facilities for them.

The army is NOT a privileged class. They have low salaries during service, much lower than civilians, and always have financial problems. More Army officers get cardiac problems due to financial stress than any civilian. Just check out why Army has a dedicated Heart diseases hospital in 'Pindi for them.