Agha Amin January 23, 2008
#394 Posted by viqarm on January 28, 2008 10:26:35 pm
Re: # 392 TAhmed
I shall dare to do anything that I feel I have to do to put people in their place. You can do whatever you wish to do about it.
I shall dare to do anything that I feel I have to do to put people in their place. You can do whatever you wish to do about it.
#393 Posted by vengatramanan on January 28, 2008 10:19:42 pm
Re: # 346
I don't differentiate between them. They both are trollers. There's not much difference but a matter of semantics.
All I can say about patents, for the time is, a good idea has been taken to disgusting extremes.
What would have happened if Albert Sabin had gone in for a patent?
I don't differentiate between them. They both are trollers. There's not much difference but a matter of semantics.
All I can say about patents, for the time is, a good idea has been taken to disgusting extremes.
What would have happened if Albert Sabin had gone in for a patent?
#392 Posted by tahmed32 on January 28, 2008 10:18:39 pm
#391 viqarm: spare me your hollow accusations and insults. And spare me this high and mighty "people like me came to Pakistan to uplift others". And dont pull try to pose as a victim with your references to being pushed to the sea when i never said anything like this.
And dont dare go around berating the brave people of Pakistan as you were doing below - the poorest among whom have a dignity and honesty that make them better men than you.
And dont dare go around berating the brave people of Pakistan as you were doing below - the poorest among whom have a dignity and honesty that make them better men than you.
#391 Posted by viqarm on January 28, 2008 10:12:36 pm
Re: # 387 TAhamed,
Please don't waste my time. I won't ask you to stop lying; I understand that you can't help it.
I do not disrespect all non-mohajirs, only racist cowards like you and HP. I do not have any wish, nor do I appreciate being referred to as "mohajir". I am an urdu-speaking Sindhi and Pakistani; and me and my people are here to stay, and to get justice for a mere 250,000 that your ilk so shamelessly abandoned in 1971.
We shall NEVER stop struggling for justice for them, and for any ordinary Pakistani regardless of where he/she is.
With the disgusting customs, especially in the treatment of women, that the native cultures of Pakistan have, it is not OK to ask us to become Sindhis or Punjabis or whatever else. What for? So we can also honor kill women, sanctify gang-rape, frame non-muslims for blasphemy, and have private jails for bonded labor?
Please don't expect any such assimilation anytime soon.
People like me came to Pak to uplift others; not to degrade ourselves.
If you don't like it, come and push us into the sea like many of you have been itching to do for decades. For me death is infinitely more preferable than to have the value set which has been eating away at the roots of Pakistan for the last 60 years.
Please don't waste my time. I won't ask you to stop lying; I understand that you can't help it.
I do not disrespect all non-mohajirs, only racist cowards like you and HP. I do not have any wish, nor do I appreciate being referred to as "mohajir". I am an urdu-speaking Sindhi and Pakistani; and me and my people are here to stay, and to get justice for a mere 250,000 that your ilk so shamelessly abandoned in 1971.
We shall NEVER stop struggling for justice for them, and for any ordinary Pakistani regardless of where he/she is.
With the disgusting customs, especially in the treatment of women, that the native cultures of Pakistan have, it is not OK to ask us to become Sindhis or Punjabis or whatever else. What for? So we can also honor kill women, sanctify gang-rape, frame non-muslims for blasphemy, and have private jails for bonded labor?
Please don't expect any such assimilation anytime soon.
People like me came to Pak to uplift others; not to degrade ourselves.
If you don't like it, come and push us into the sea like many of you have been itching to do for decades. For me death is infinitely more preferable than to have the value set which has been eating away at the roots of Pakistan for the last 60 years.
#390 Posted by tahmed32 on January 28, 2008 10:09:42 pm
#389 majumdar: The thing is that it is an insult to the sacrifices made by hundreds of martyred Pakistanis, not to mention the thousands more who have faced police beatings, arrests, job losses, in this struggle for freedom for someone to get up and start berating Pakistanis as cowards.
#389 Posted by majumdar on January 28, 2008 9:58:32 pm
Tahmed sahib,
(Pakistanis who have stood up against this evil dictatorship.)
Vikram sahib is not pro-Mush. See his interacts with Zee sahib on Chowk Connect.
Vikram sahib,
(balkanization might suit more. Also it will open up many alternate transit routes to Central Asia and Iran for India).
A balkanised Pak will not be a peaceful neighbourhood of four nations- Punjab, Sind, NWFP and B'stan- it is more likely to be a vicious ethnic battleground much like A'stan. So you can forget about a balkanised Pak being "alternate transit routes to Central Asia and Iran for India". It is likely to be every one's nightmare!!!
Regards
(Pakistanis who have stood up against this evil dictatorship.)
Vikram sahib is not pro-Mush. See his interacts with Zee sahib on Chowk Connect.
Vikram sahib,
(balkanization might suit more. Also it will open up many alternate transit routes to Central Asia and Iran for India).
A balkanised Pak will not be a peaceful neighbourhood of four nations- Punjab, Sind, NWFP and B'stan- it is more likely to be a vicious ethnic battleground much like A'stan. So you can forget about a balkanised Pak being "alternate transit routes to Central Asia and Iran for India". It is likely to be every one's nightmare!!!
Regards
#388 Posted by viqarm on January 28, 2008 9:54:44 pm
Re: # 384
I do not want to sound disrespectful Gul Sahib; but you seem to be looking at the macro-picture.
To me, if there is no redress at the micro level (ala a poor man affording bread and shlter for his family)- and soon - we are staring at an irreversible disaster.
Nations become stronger with inner cohesion. How the poor and the minorities are treated in Pak is of paramount importance. We can surive, even if we are poor and the macro indicators are not that great but the people are happier with each other.
I am sorry to have to say this, but poverty with self-respect is far more preferable to me than being a not-so-poor whore of USA (with no self-respect).
I do not want to sound disrespectful Gul Sahib; but you seem to be looking at the macro-picture.
To me, if there is no redress at the micro level (ala a poor man affording bread and shlter for his family)- and soon - we are staring at an irreversible disaster.
Nations become stronger with inner cohesion. How the poor and the minorities are treated in Pak is of paramount importance. We can surive, even if we are poor and the macro indicators are not that great but the people are happier with each other.
I am sorry to have to say this, but poverty with self-respect is far more preferable to me than being a not-so-poor whore of USA (with no self-respect).
#387 Posted by tahmed32 on January 28, 2008 9:51:51 pm
viqarm #348
I referred to you as scum because you talk about Pakistan as being a "nation divided against itself" when you have been among the foremost on chowk in promoting such divisions by berating non-mohajirs!!
I referred to you as scum because while talking of Pakistanis as being cowardly, you have been foremost in berating the brave Pakistanis who have stood up against this evil dictatorship.
Of course you have nothing to say. I dont point out that someone is a scum without reason. And you can only go bleating to masadi for help.
I referred to you as scum because you talk about Pakistan as being a "nation divided against itself" when you have been among the foremost on chowk in promoting such divisions by berating non-mohajirs!!
I referred to you as scum because while talking of Pakistanis as being cowardly, you have been foremost in berating the brave Pakistanis who have stood up against this evil dictatorship.
Of course you have nothing to say. I dont point out that someone is a scum without reason. And you can only go bleating to masadi for help.
#386 Posted by viqarm on January 28, 2008 9:46:18 pm
Re: # 383 Majumdar Sahib,
Thanks for the honorary title, though I somehow like my own name :-).
Sure things can change. It will be a first in the history of Pakistan, though. Still, if it is to survive, there has to be a beginning somewhere.
Personally I fear that the playground for the great game of the 18th and nineteenth centuries has expanded to, now, fully engulf Pakistan.
Also the Brits and Russia are no longer the only players. America, Europe at large, China, India, even Israel and Iran have a stake.
Each major player must be asking: Does balkanization suit me more than the integrity of Pakistan?
I may be simple minded but, to a mority of stakeholders, balkanization might suit more. It will definitely make the case for denuclearization much stronger. Also it will open up many alternate transit routes to Central Asia and Iran for India and vice versa.
China might be the odd party holding out for the integrity of Pakistan.
The people of Pakistan will be the losers big time. That is, unless they wake up!
Thanks for the honorary title, though I somehow like my own name :-).
Sure things can change. It will be a first in the history of Pakistan, though. Still, if it is to survive, there has to be a beginning somewhere.
Personally I fear that the playground for the great game of the 18th and nineteenth centuries has expanded to, now, fully engulf Pakistan.
Also the Brits and Russia are no longer the only players. America, Europe at large, China, India, even Israel and Iran have a stake.
Each major player must be asking: Does balkanization suit me more than the integrity of Pakistan?
I may be simple minded but, to a mority of stakeholders, balkanization might suit more. It will definitely make the case for denuclearization much stronger. Also it will open up many alternate transit routes to Central Asia and Iran for India and vice versa.
China might be the odd party holding out for the integrity of Pakistan.
The people of Pakistan will be the losers big time. That is, unless they wake up!
#385 Posted by majumdar on January 28, 2008 9:39:15 pm
Ijaz sahib,
(The present energy crises are based on IMF/ World Bank recipies ardently implemented by their bankers imposed as ministers etc. )
Pakistan shud invest in more coal and hydel, gas and liquid fuels are not good options at all given the price. Dunno about power situation in Pak, but in India the problems lies in the T&D situation- too much theft and unremunerative tariffs make discoms bankrupt. If they were viable pvt sector and public sector both wud be more than happy to invest in generation.
Regards
(The present energy crises are based on IMF/ World Bank recipies ardently implemented by their bankers imposed as ministers etc. )
Pakistan shud invest in more coal and hydel, gas and liquid fuels are not good options at all given the price. Dunno about power situation in Pak, but in India the problems lies in the T&D situation- too much theft and unremunerative tariffs make discoms bankrupt. If they were viable pvt sector and public sector both wud be more than happy to invest in generation.
Regards
#384 Posted by ijaz_gul on January 28, 2008 9:35:09 pm
I believe pakistan will ride the crises. A day will come when we will have constitutionalism.
As for human development, the situation is not pathetic. Its quite ok but there is still room for improvement.
Though an economist could evaluate better, despite the crisis, we have had some remarkable but narrow windows of sustainable growth. The present energy crises are based on IMF/ World Bank recipies ardently implemented by their bankers imposed as ministers etc.
As for human development, the situation is not pathetic. Its quite ok but there is still room for improvement.
Though an economist could evaluate better, despite the crisis, we have had some remarkable but narrow windows of sustainable growth. The present energy crises are based on IMF/ World Bank recipies ardently implemented by their bankers imposed as ministers etc.
#383 Posted by majumdar on January 28, 2008 9:30:23 pm
Vikramaditya sahib,
(In view of what you have written what exactly makes you optimistic?)
Things can change, no?
Regards
(In view of what you have written what exactly makes you optimistic?)
Things can change, no?
Regards
#382 Posted by viqarm on January 28, 2008 9:27:12 pm
Re: # 381 Gul Sahib,
I am confused. In view of what you have written what exactly makes you optimistic?
Small civil society; dominance by intellignece agencies; lack of cosntitutionalism and rule of law; no budge for human and social development; Is this the recipe for success?
I am confused. In view of what you have written what exactly makes you optimistic?
Small civil society; dominance by intellignece agencies; lack of cosntitutionalism and rule of law; no budge for human and social development; Is this the recipe for success?
#381 Posted by ijaz_gul on January 28, 2008 9:20:56 pm
I am an optimist and live for Pakistan.
Though many think that Pakistan must meet the fate similar to Cicero the peot,I feel otherwise.
Pakistan came to existance when the Cold War just began. It had no industrial infrastructure or defence capability. Early planners therefore concentrated on defence at the cost of entangling in super power rivalry and benefit of development. The paradigm has not changed despite a China Policy.
Pakistan has a very small segment of Civil Society. State dominated by the Intelligence Agencie4s dominates most of the space. Institution building can only begin if there is an earnest recourse to constitutionalism. Present jauggartism means doom.
Though many think that Pakistan must meet the fate similar to Cicero the peot,I feel otherwise.
Pakistan came to existance when the Cold War just began. It had no industrial infrastructure or defence capability. Early planners therefore concentrated on defence at the cost of entangling in super power rivalry and benefit of development. The paradigm has not changed despite a China Policy.
Pakistan has a very small segment of Civil Society. State dominated by the Intelligence Agencie4s dominates most of the space. Institution building can only begin if there is an earnest recourse to constitutionalism. Present jauggartism means doom.
#380 Posted by viqarm on January 28, 2008 9:19:13 pm
Re: # 373
Sorry Major Sahib. I rather think US help is kiss of death. If Pakistan is to survive, it should learn to make do on its own. Many self-respecting nations do it. Why can't Pakistan.
Sorry Major Sahib. I rather think US help is kiss of death. If Pakistan is to survive, it should learn to make do on its own. Many self-respecting nations do it. Why can't Pakistan.
#379 Posted by majumdar on January 28, 2008 9:19:05 pm
Amin sahib,
Meanwhile what is the real position on Kohat?
Regards
Meanwhile what is the real position on Kohat?
Regards
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