Afghanistan - A Strategic Analysis

Re: # 320
It is not management skill...It is called leadership skill...Studying in IIM is not enough...Large number of corporate leaders ( CEO, VPs) have never studied Management...Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are no managers...
In IT space Google is now the most respected company...
How many management graduates work there?
IIT grads are highly paid as IIM MBA is masters, and those are highly paid are mostly with prior experience ( MBA + experience caues this high salary).
Some person was pointing about recruitment startegy in Gulf. Gulf countries are not famous for quality or innovation. So, what for they need IIT grads?
Management is required to maintain a company...Engineers takes it forward....

Anil,

Hawala Hub of Pakistan

Hawala Hub is Dubai, not Pakistan. Remember Benazir used to say that 'Chamak' was responsible for removing her from power? That 'Chamak' is the Hawala market in Dubai where billions are tuned over every day. And, it is perfectly legal.

Vengatramanan#326,

Thanks for your kind words. I am sure you are a very accomplished person as well.

Good luck!!

Vengatramanan,

You were probably working with someone who didnt have enough work experience and thus lacked the real world perspective to make good decisions. No one is saying that IITians are perfect and cannot make mistakes. However, they are very fast learners and can pick up stuff very quickly. I am sure that person will be doing very well in his life after he learns from his failure on that project.

Ranjit,

Happy that you own patents. Sadly I am opposed to patents too. Again it is something to do with my convictions. We will discuss about that some time later.

Please understand that it does not translate into not appreciating your hard work. I feel extremely happy and privileged to have interacted with a high calibre person.

Regards,

dost-mittar
bulleya's post is a bit like the two Shatranj ke Khiladi protaganists sitting in front of a mirror admiring themselves rather than playing chess :) ( Romair has already denied being intelligent enough for that)

Ranjit,

I never told you what project the collector sanctioned. The IIT&IIM graduate sanctioned a farm yard manure project that was proposed by some cronies in the ruling party at that time :). 20% subsidy...?

Anyways, farmers have completely switched over to tissue culture propogation, drip irrigation and organic farming. This is what I wanted to work for when I was out of the college. Things are improving.

Vengatraman,

The purpose of education is to learn how to learn. An IIT education certainly delivers that simply because of the very intense curriculum and the extreme levels of competition during those 4 years. After all every day you are competing with toppers from various schools. Therefore, you are forced to think outside the box and develop problem solving skills.

Could it do better in terms of sharpening analytical skills and innovation? You bet. However, this is a deficiency among Indians in general, given our colonial legacy of rote learning. The interesting thing to note is that IITians are in the top research programs and research labs in the USA, both in academia and in industry. Often times, they lead such institutions. Clearly they can pick up on innovation as needed.

As far as I am personally concerned, I work in industry and hold several patents.

Re: # 320


ahmedmadani Saheb,

Ranjit has explained more patiently than what I have done. I believe it looks like what I wanted to put here.

Unless you know how to work how would you know to extract work. I mean how can you set standards like productivity, quality etc...

Re: # 318

ahmedmadani Saheb,

IMHO, you are stereotyping Engineers and Managers. You have forgotten that corporates need more engineers than managers. A manager, who gets 30 times more salary, might have a hundred angineers working under him.

Though you dont get to know the IITian's package, every year the TV channels brag about the package the IIMians get here.

Re:ahmedmadaniji#318

Madaniji, if you consider any organization, it is a pyramid. As you go up that pyramid, management skills become more and more important. You have to manage projects, people, resources, businesses etc. Most companies in the US have a technical ladder that goes up to a certain point and levels out. Management track goes all the way to the top.

Therefore, at the end of the day, management skills are critical for success. At the same time, technical skills provide you the foundation on the basis of which you can do management. In other words, you should get your hands dirty doing real work before you are ready to do management. How do you manage something if you cannot understand or analyze how to build it? The problem that Vengatramanan is referring to is happening because a lot of times, people go for MBA before getting adequate work experience, and are unprepared to face the real challenges of management. Thus they end up making wrong decisions in their jobs.

As far as doing BA in history and then management is concerned, you can do that if your aim is to do marketing or sales. If you want to manage operations or finance, you should have a more solid background in engineering, science, commerce etc.

Re: # 316

Ranjit,

Let me set the record straight. I was never an IIT aspirant and I dont have personal grudges against it. You just have not gotten the macroscopic view. I am not only against IITs/IIMs but also the way formal education is imparted. You do not have to limit a carpenter from becoming an engineer by forcing him to master the art of cramming. I believe anybody can grasp what they teach you in IITs albeit there could be a time difference among individuals. Proly the slow individuals perceive different dimensions that the normally fast student do not. Perhaps the slower ones have too many questions before they accept what you teach is right. Proly the fast learning student doesn't have the ability to question.

I hope you understand that my words are not of a failed aspirant but somebody who is against the very concept of formal education which limits people from doing what they want to do. I am convinced that the amount of effort the students require to complete the formal education is reasonless and is designed to keep a large % of populace powerless. The system promotes a certain set of skills over others.

"I am an IIT Delhi B.Tech who came to the US, did my Ph.D. and have done very well for myself."

That is not surprising. Have you contributed, by ways of innovation, to the society you belong to. Please understand that I am not trying to be sarcastic.

Re: # 317 I have question, told by many engineers are not paid good world wide. While managers are generally paid about 30 times more. Has now work of making things become very easy so engineer has lost status even in marriage market. Even BA management are considered worth more that NED grads. Is engineers just have lost importance. And managing machines and engineers is very valuable . Finally will engineers will join diggers of trances and cover them. Is it worth going to engineer or better to do ba in history and go managemet route for good salary? Many engineers have not paid me many time for teachig them but its does not prejudice my mind against them. They generally talk too much details nobody can understand.

Ahmed Madaniji, LUMS graduates do very well in the US....

Vengatraman,

I am an IIT Delhi B.Tech who came to the US, did my Ph.D. and have done very well for myself. The same holds true for virtually every other IITian that I know of. For every one incident that you can write about, I can quote you thousands of outstanding success stories....

I dont know who you have interacted with, but you are completely mistaken in your opinions. I understand that people who could not get into IITs will always have a severe resentment against that institution - grapes are sour after all. I hope you grow out of that, since I have a lot of respect for non IITians. If anything, I feel that the government should open more IITs since we have so much talent in India.

Re: # 313 Mr.Ventaram I agree with you in many ways.
IIT and FIT are all illusions and illusions are more powerful than truth.
Also more you study and read more you become foolish is my general understanding.
IItians are just biblophiles and think too much and think too much about themselves and become fools. Also when all graduates die what happens to degrees dust to dust, on judgement day its good deeds and not degrees.
good afternoon