Musharraf’s Days are Numbered

Re: # 22 Posted by Kamath on January 28, 2008 5:42:01 am

Kamath sahib,

[Why put all the blame on General(R) Musharraf?]

Past crooks do not justify to have present day crooks, or does it? As they say in the financial world, "past performance is no guarantee of future results."

[After all the mess Pakistan is in today has been caused by mostly other powerful guys.] who were in the bureaucracy since 1947 (read the mohajirs) and they should also be held accountable of the corruption that we have in Pakistan.

[Corrupt politicians, Stupid religious and finally by Army Guys.] You conveniently leave out the bureaucrats, why?

[What personal glory or rewards are going to be reaped by General(R) Mush.? None.]

O! why are you so naive beta? look around all the army-wallas are running defence housing society, wapda, etc. suddenly they are the brightest tolas of the world. these people are nothing but a group of Mafias.

[He has learnt from his mistakes and there is no one around to take charge of the country at this time- especially against home grown Talibans!]

we have a saying "dhobhee ka kutta, na ghar kaa, na ghaat ka"? does it apply here, maybe it does not. let me try another one "kuutay kaa dhum kabhee seedhee nahin hogee"

[Leave him alone and get rid of him later after 5 years if you don't like!] array waa ray wah, you want the crooks to continue for another 5 years, or so. I am just surprised that Pakistanis who are abroad do not have enough courage to stand together united and get rid of these people. It took only i year for the international Iranian community to get rid of the Shah of Iran. And in Pakistan, these people are still ruling.

sometimes i despair at the state of pakistan...Allah help us!
until someone destroys the power of those who rule -i.e. feudals and army we will never get out of this rut. when will be have a real Renaissance of our own?

sigh...

Re: # 38 it should be


"Re: # 30 HP boss, thats like saying the illuminati or the freemasons or some other shadow_in_the_mind_organisation did it."

Re: # 30 HP boss, thats like the illuminati or the freemasons or some other shadow_in_the_mind_organisation did it....you need to go beyond the whispers.
When a statement like is made, it demands evidence and proof for it to stand on its own. If zeemax made such a statement in a paper or an article he would be laughed out of the place - and a referee who supports it with your cryptic statement even more so. (note: this is also your argument with Pavocavalry - is it not 8-) )

So let us all hear it and be done with it.

Zeemax sahib:

It is very interesting, how people start speaking their mind, when they feel their end is near. Probably they have everything to gain.

Can there be a single peson or his successors who link these incidences with Bhutto, Zia and BB?

Massaddi Mian should read the article that HP Mian has put, as he thinks, lives and busily creates Third World. He can improve his knowledge about the new tomorrow.

He should remember that is not Ole' MacDonald had a farm.. and a chick, chick here and a chick chick there. It is Elites of China, and Europe. It is Elites of Brazil, India, Russia and Middle East.

It is Elites here and Elites there. It's Elites everywhere. He would see the reality if he gives up the 7th century to Mills par course.

correct link to #33: http://pakistanmartiallaw.blogspot.com/2008/01/resign-musharraf-resign.html

There is an interesting article in NYT magazine by Parag Vohra...nay by Parag Khanna. He discusses some new ideas and is well worth reading and figuring out the new issues that are coming up.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/magazine/27world-t.html?ex=1359176400& ; ;en=
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From "The Emergency Times", Jan 28 2008

Resign Musharraf, Resign!
By JEMIMA KHAN
...The effects of protests are rarely immediate or even measurable. What demonstrations do is to change the weather. And the weather changes the landscape. Protests invariably move from the extreme to the mainstream.

Sometimes, though, they really do what they say on the banners. Gandhi's march to the sea to make salt marked the beginning of the push to remove the British from India; the Suffragettes did get the vote for women; the Peasant's Revolt did change the feudal system; and the Anti-Slavery Movement did do away with slavery. They are all
examples of what demonstrations hope to achieve: the mass power of the individually powerless.

Tomorrow I will be protesting Gordon Brown's continued support for Pakistan's dictator. I will be joined by politicians, lawyers, doctors, human rights activists, journalists and ordinary Pakistanis who want to know what happened to New Labour's "ethical foreign
policy". Our equivalents in Pakistan have been denied the same right to protest. Many hundreds remain in prison - some tortured. We can't read about it because the media in Pakistan remains restricted.

Brown and Musharraf are planning to discuss democracy..
How can they seriously discuss the "democratic process in Pakistan" with straight faces when 60 percent of the Superior Court judges have been dismissed and many are still under house arrest? How can "free and fair elections" take place in three weeks under the supervision of hand-picked substitute judges, a pet caretaker government and a bogus election Commission? Why is our Government supporting and our taxpayers funding a counter-terrorism strategy that has encouraged terrorism? Above all, why has our Prime Minister chosen to host a constitutionally illegal ruler who has lost the support of Pakistanis both in Britain and abroad, and who is seen as the cause not the solution to the country's problems? ...It is more likely that we will just make ourselves heard. But who knows? 2008 may yet turn out to be Pakistan's 1968. Inshallah.

Monday, midday, Downing Street. Effigies supplied.

[Ms. Jemima (Goldsmith) Khan is a leader of the Free Pakistan Movement
(FPM) based in London, UK.]

http://pakistanmartiallaw.blogspot.com/2008/01/resign-musharraf-resign.h tml

that should be "plus sum situation", btw in #31.

ironmask: OK i checked the video. nice. but the words you provide below basically are true - though only they are part of the truth:

"Everybody's looking for something" True

"Some of them want to use you
Some of them want to get used by you
Some of them want to abuse you
Some of them want to be abused" True - but only for "Some of them". Leaves out the increasing number of people who look beyond this "zero-sum game" of human history that is driving poor masadi nuts to a "zero-plus situation" - one where material wants are easily satisfied, and humans aspire to higher things - whether it is human society based on rules (as the struggle for the rule of law in Pakistan by the thin red line of lawyers is all about), or whether it is scientific exploration and colonization of the planets and asteroids and moons or harnessing the energy of the sun. This is the "real frontier" where no one needs to abuse anyone.

#29 Posted by iron_mask

"Re: # 27 zeemax who are these people you suspect?"

If you don't know then you don't know much about Pakistan.
Connect the dots of all the murders and you would know who Zeemax is referring to.

Re: # 27 zeemax who are these people you suspect?

You are a first class conspiracy theorist. Come on, zee mini, tell us all and support this spurious allegation aimed at no one but still full of nasty innuendo!

and while you are at at it...I would recommend you listen to this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQHrspjw4aA (as i suggested to Tahmed32)

Re: # 27 there are three aspects of benazirs death.the sipah i sahaba was hijacked by ISI once Azam Tariq was murdered by ISI and all suicide bombers of Sipah i Sahaba went to ISI control.9 bullets alone were pumped in Azam Tariqs heart.Then are the Chaudries of Gujrat and off course the Musharraf junta.

#23 Posted by freethinker,

Thanks for the clarification. Actually, Benazir was killed by the same people who killed her father, her brothers, and Zia. I don't know if they have anything against Musharraf at the moment, but they might in the future.

will do, iron mask. soon as i am done listening to old indian songs going on right now while trying to pretend i am working!!