Musharraf’s Days are Numbered

Musharraf made the army officers so fatish, vulgar, power hungry, criminally rich, overnight land barrons, etc., but I am glad to see that a certain segment in the army is using its intellect and looking beyond plum posting and dogma and army indoctrination, and raising its voice for Pakistan .

I want to see the army totakky shed its mercenary tendancies .... but this change will come from the outside, not withing ..(there are too many intelectually corrupt within). Nawaz Sharif's call to make the army's budget accountable to parliment is very necessary..

It sad recist remark by punjabi expak and exctement for people to kill president Musharraf. He has already declared he will be killed unless the leaves his post.( let us hope this professy does not become reality, you have seen anger of Sindhi awam who went on buring all railequipment, and banks, even best of MQM leadership will not be able to control millions of sindhi followers hindustani borned president,Karach will be nonfuctional.Hope punjabi recists desits from bad dreams, do not start fires it burn you. Let president have his tenure and after 5 years he will be gone and nobody remember as any gone presidents and prime ministers. PPP walas were saying same thing but fate is strange BB went to meet maker and general is dandy strong and going for foreign trips and Amerca stands like big wall behind him solidly.
President will expire his term in 5 years , 5 years is nothing, why not let things move slowly and deliberately as he has become locomotive for pakistan and pulling country ( a thankless job for ungrateful people)out to real democracy after long time ? Everybody should hope and help president to carry us to dream of democracy.

Re: # 2

Mr. Madani,

May other CHOWKies forgive you for the typos, the grammar and the syntax; I can't. How could you suggest that 'Everybody should hope and help president to carry us to dream of democracy.'

He has wet dreams, don't you know? And please don't side with dictators and stooges.

Peace.

#1 Posted by blithe on January 27, 2008 10:07:10 am


Musharraf made the army officers so fatish, vulgar, power hungry, criminally rich, overnight land barrons, etc.


Right..because the paki army officers weren't into the whole prime real estate entitlement thing before mushy took power...

mmmmkay...

Re: # 1

"Nawaz Sharif calls to make the army's budget accountable to parliment is very necessary?"

Seriously? Whose product is Nawaz anyway?

In the parliament all are related top to bottom in one way or the other. Asking the most powerful institution to submit to an audit is akin to asking a four-legged lion to donate his lunch to two-legged beasts.

Peace.

# 4, for a fact they were not.
One of the reasons Mushrraf (with a non conscience army) desecrated the Supreme Court was because the Chief Justice was going to take up cases of farm houses being illegally built by officer on non-designated land (this also included Musharraf's plot).

Musharraf has amassed over USD 10mio in land allotments for himself (research done ny Ayshea Sideqa). He has land in phase 8 Lahore and he has a agricultural acreage in Bhawalpur.

The reason that his core commanders have stayed quite over his clowning around with Country is because Musharraf fed enough candy/ land to keep them quite (the anlogy is between a corrupt board that losses it indpendece to keep a check on the CEO) Each core commanded is multi-millionaire too.

This is unprecedented and blatant and institutionalized corruption.

The guy who dresses himself up in the Pakistan Flag and calls his passion to be Pakistan, is anything but selfless.

#6 Posted by blithe on January 27, 2008 12:22:16 pm


Musharraf has amassed over USD 10mio in land allotments for himself


if he did, he only did it because he had no choice.

http://www.chowk.com/articles/4648

# 5,
You say, "Asking the most powerful institution to submit to an audit is akin to asking a four-legged lion to donate his lunch to two-legged beasts."

Then why does it happen in all other civilised countries? why do we have tolerate a rouge army usurping our internal resources and trampling over our constitution?

I have enough respect in our civilians to hold the army accountable. Lets not sell ourselves short further by saying it is not in us. Democracy has to be revived in Pakistan.

We have had this army rule thrust upon again and again, raping our politics and intellectual thinking. We have had to come up with army's hard ceiling pressing aginst us. Nawaz Sharif and other politicians before him ,including a Z A Bhutto, had to also come up in this environemnt .

When you canot build tradition of democarcy , weird things do happen.. In Russain after the break up of the USSR , a mafioso class came about and is still prevalent in the political economy...

Lets build our institutions of democracy with let or hinderance from the army.

Lets build our institutions of democracy withOUT let or hinderance from the army.

Unfortunately a time of national reconciliation has come and gone for good. The Pakistani nation will be harvesting what this regime has sowed for next couple of decades - and unfortunately it is nothing but guilloutines. It is going to be extremely painful next two decades. However, there is a way that we can reduce this pain. The Pakistani nation must:

1. Ditch the Bitch: This dictator has become a liability for each and every party involved in the tragedy that is called pakistan today - not only for people of Pakistan, but military, their foreign masters, and dictator's own civilian underlings.

2. Re-establish the deposed judiciary.

3. Re-constitute the election commission.

4. Fouj must stop masacares in Waziristan, swat, and Baluchistan. All citizens must be given unconditional amnesty.

5. Realease all 20,000+ "disappeared" Pakistani citizens with an apology and full compensation. All Pakistani citizens who were illegally handed over to US and Europeans and they are being tortured in their internments camps all over the globe must be brought back.

6. All Pakistani citizens in Blauchistan, Waziristan, and Swat must be given full compenastion for the damage to their properties and Qisas and Diyat for the lives and limbs lost.

7. Fouj must unconditionally apologize to whole Pakistani nation for its crimes ahgainst nation and constitution and seek forgiveness through a National Reconcilliation Commission.

8. An interim government must be formed for six months that will ensure that free and fare elections will be held without interference from criminal elements in fouj and civilians.

9. Pakistan must build a wall at Pak-Afghan border.

10. All American bases on Pakistani soil must be abolished.

11. The 99 year lease of thousands of acres of land near Thatta to US must be annulled and re-estabilshed as Pakistani soveriegn territory.

12. Fouj must go back to the cantonment kennels, and all corps commanders must be administered with rabbies shots.

13. All the plots, and property acquired by fouj and their civilian underlings in the past 10 years must confiscated by government.

Will all this ease the pain. No. But it will make it bearabale. Otherwise, no man, no woman, no child is safe in Pakistan. There will be guillotines, just like one that was for Benazir.

Don't you see that the western model of armies in the world especially in the Muslim world is falling apart? Hamas, Hizbe Ullah and Taliban are holding the nuclear powers at bay. The ex-service men are trying to save this disaster but it will not be long when the western supports dries out and we will have local militias everywhere. God forbid that time when we will have gangs everywhere. We need to disband army, prosecute ISI, hang generals for their crimes against humanity and form a national army.

Re: # 3 Good morning Mr.Tahir.
If you feel good be my guest and go on abusing me and feel good for my english prblems.

I may be idiot and "mad" but I find general standing and protecting Pakistan , a hero of kargil ( oh yes failures have no father as they). You have any stand bye stooge to replace. Can you mention any you know and how they are better. Honestly except altaf hussain and to some extent president all others for last 60 years are useless, even my last hero was demolished throghly by masadi logically. No body missed any leader after they are and if you shot all leaders and fed to sharks nobody will cry. It is truth. Actually we people deserve what we get. Now one person is trying to save you call him dictector. He is standig against Talibs as if he is killed as retired engineer wants ( masadi has clealy shown many time this us spoiled writers are just copy stuff and paste as theirs, in that way Raw agent Arjun is straight forward). When talibs take your they will be checking liberals and shooting them first for having shaved faces. Now all liberals are supporting and cheering talibs. Now general is try best to help p.stan by pleasing usa and same time keep talibs alive the mutusl coexistance is cold peace as Omar mullah values services offered and know at same time general will not press to hard. So as liberal wants O.Mullah takes over will have friendly regime and they understand "majburi". Anyway General is only person keeping both Americans at bay ( at same time pick pocketing american wallets) and Talibans not too unhappy and friendly not hostile.
As they said its very complex things and you and i can not understand inside deals. So its better to be left to president who knows all.

also we have stupid people who are worried about movies/ indian . ( there no movies but indian movies here and learned people worry about machinary brought and money involved) Now people who have no even goatbrains worry when talibs are on offensive and balochi terrorists are blowing electic wires and gas lines and railway. Now even layman like me do not understand why give opportunity for terroe to blow this things, why not burry 2o feet down in earth. What we have is all chors, they want more blast more work.

Any way we need genearl as there are areas and intelluctual who are stupid or mad.
look at learned editor.
Second Editorial: Anyone for a cinema in Islamabad?

The Pakistan National Council of the Arts (PNCA) in Islamabad has tried but failed to get enough support for the opening of a cinema. The capital is without a cinema while there is a proliferation of mosques and hostile madrassas there. The site of the cinema was to be inside the National Arts Gallery which the president has helped open against the wishes of everyone including the Islamised bureaucracy and the government. The PNCA thought it could revive cinema-going in a highly Islamised Islamabad by holding a South Asian film festival. But it can’t get a sponsor for the shows and is therefore stuck with the cinema equipment it has imported and has been holding on to for the last many years.

Those who fear that Pakistan might go under to the terrorists look at Islamabad’s intensely radical Islamist population and draw their conclusions. However, cinemas all over Pakistan have shut down in great numbers. Pakistan used to make over 200 films a year; it is now making barely 12. But the mosques are full with people on all five occasions during the day and spill over on Fridays. Meanwhile, people are watching films on VCRs as forbidden pleasure while the masses lack all entertainment. Is Pakistan ripe for the plucking? *"

When idiots will know no time for movies.
Anyway stupid will get what they want ( removing general) and then will cry for next twenty years.

Tahir you can be polite to elder people with saying bad things.
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Re: # 10
Dear Urs Truly,
Most of the suggestions you gave were being put into practise by Liaqat Ali Khan long ago. Basically, the FO (foreign office) cannot utter these two alphabets to its controllers and handlers! :)

Now who wants to be blown up in Liaqat Bagh?

Booom....

Re: # 12
Dear Mr. Madani,

I ask everyone here not to get abusive and follow the Interact rules of CHOWK. By the way, I don't get paid to do this! And when did I abuse you?

We have different opinions about the Mush-Bush mashed potato thing. And what has cinema (Reema, Saima, Resham etc.) got to do with all this?

Angelina Jolie did meet with Mush along with her husband (who must have been looking the other way) to discuss our for-RUNN policy!

Peace.

Re: # 13 Liquit Ali khan did all and good acts get always punished , he was slaughterd by elites of that time.

#11 Posted by NangaPir
"it will not be long when the western supports dries out and we will have local militias everywhere. God forbid that time when we will have gangs everywhere. We need to disband army,"

Your posts are cryptic but insightful. Yes, I agree that as the central authority in Pakistan wanes, local militias would take over. Now if the army is disbanded, there is nothing to deter these militias. How do you propose that should be handled?

My solution would be to keep a loose federation and let the provincial powerhouses such as the PPP in Sindh, ANP in Part of NWFP, Baloch nationalists in Balochistan and perhaps a united ML take over the Punjab!

Pakistan is headed for difficult times mainly due to the army and the army wants to take advantage of its position in the area to drive a hard bargain with the US. Would the US stand for it? I doubt that very much!