Musharraf’s Days are Numbered

Gill Saheb,

Musharraf in case of an army coup, I don't think the coup-makers will consider it necessary to physically eliminate him because he has no power base of which anyone would be concerned. I think eventually he will be exiled.

#17 Posted by zeemax on January 28, 2008 2:02:46 am


I think eventually he will be exiled.


mushy's timing is impeccable. The housing market in the US is at an all time low. He can probably get a finished basement, jacuzzi and a flat screen TV free if he agrees to move in by the end of the year...

Here is the thing - Musharuff is on tour trying to convince the world of a number of things (you can change the order as you like)

(a) Pakistan can be trusted
(b) Pakistan is with you
(c) I can deliver
(d) WTF are you guys doing by making India a member of the UNSC (note China, UK, France have publiclly said they support the case).


In reality what can be done is that there is coup in Pakistan as we are discussing this right now - and the Prez's plane turned around and sent elsewhere (or Mushy goes to DC without even going back). - I agree with arjun_5's sentiment but think for the sake of Pakistan it should be brought forward.

Bringing it forward will make
(a) Zeemax and his lot happy
(b) also ensure that Nanga Pir's comment (which HP from insightful) come true.

In fact (a) and (b) are connected - only the timetable will be brought forward.

in #16 HP asks (nanga pir)

Your posts are cryptic but insightful. Yes, I agree that as the central authority in Pakistan wanes, local militias would take over. Now if the army is disbanded, there is nothing to deter these militias. How do you propose that should be handled?

Man, which world are you living in: I am sure zeemax and his friends are laughing their balls off when you ask "How do you propose that should be handled?" There is no question of handling. Militias taking over will mean lots of little countries/republics fiiling the vacumn - you could have the Jamsaheb of Lahore, Sultan Rawal of Pindi, Pir Dawood of Karachi etc etc. HP it cannot be handled - for once you militias forget pakistan!

Pakistan unfortuantely could not forge for itself an identity in the last 60 years. All the politicians have failed their exams (you guys recall./remember the nyumber of times the politicians and the elite called ont he army to take over the coutnry because they couldnot stand Bibi, or Nawaz or some combination), and the federatred structure will will work if it is not loose....

the biggest pity in all of this is that the solution staring in the face was never implemented - Lop-sided states should never exist in a country - in Pakistan's case Punjab is not just an elephant in the room, a bull in a china shop, or the 600lb gorrilla - it is all of these. The state of Punjab should have been divisioned for all sorts of reasons - aat the very least it woud have brought some political parity with the other states.

While going through the Dawn pages, I saw this reference in Irfan Hussain's article. The reference was to an article by someone called Shekhar Gupta of the I.E, and the title was "Junta versus Janata" http://www.indianexpress.com/story/257744._.html it makes sense - in fact the last paragraph is very sensible and something which I think needs to read and reiterated here:

"a modern nation needs democracy and so it needs its politicians, however clumsy, corrupt, effete and power-crazed they may be. Because a military dictator can also be all of these things. The difference is, the political leader draws his power from the democratic process, so he has a stake in preserving that system, howsoever cynical he may be. The general draws his power by throttling the democratic system and its institutions and you can see the results of that in Pakistan. So, in a democracy, howsoever powerful a Lalu or Mayawati, they have to shut up and listen when the Supreme Court speaks. The election commission can publicly upbraid both Sonia Gandhi and Narendra Modi. We, the media, can question and curse who we want. It happens because the political class has the biggest stake in the democratic process, howsoever much it may wish to manipulate it. In contrast, a military dictator owes his power to the absence of institutions, of checks and balances. That is exactly what Musharraf has done to his judiciary, the election commission and even the media. That is why he has to summon the Scotland Yard to investigate Benazir’s assassination.
"

I dont think he will lose his life... I think he will be sent to a mental institution...

Why put all the blame on General(R) Musharraf? After all the mess Pakistan is in today has been caused by mostly other powerful guys. Corrupt politicuans, Stupid releigios and finally by Army Guys.

What personal glory or rewards are going to be reaped by General(R) Mush.? None. He has learnt from his mistakes and there is no one around to take charge of the country at this time- especially against home grown Talibans! Leave him alone and get rid of him later after 5 years if you don't like!

Kamath

zeemax: #17

I didn't say army will kill him. He might be assassinated by the kind of people who killed BB.

Mohammad Gill

Musharraf is increasingly irrelevant anyway - particularly now that the military has started distancing itself from him (latest being kiyani's pledge that the military will not get involved in current elections (contrary to musharraf's talk about soldiers "shooting to kill" to keep current elections "peaceful" - a direct but hopefully an empty threat to force musharraf's men into power).

We need to start thinking beyond musharraf - we need to make sure that military dictatorship is replaced by true rule of law and restoration of the judiciary. Otherwise, we will simply replace one thug (musharraf) with another (civilian dictator who subverts the constitution like nawaz sharif tried to do last time, like zardari has already done by making PPP seem like a Bhutto family necklace, rather than a national party that belongs to the people and is subject to the will of the people, not the will of benazir (with all due respect to her supreme sacrifice).

Re: # 24



tahmed32.....I just heard this song on the radio; go here to see the video as well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQHrspjw4aA

Who am I to disagree?
Travel the world and the seven seas
Everybody's looking for something
Some of them want to use you
Some of them want to get used by you
Some of them want to abuse you
Some of them want to be abused

will do, iron mask. soon as i am done listening to old indian songs going on right now while trying to pretend i am working!!

#23 Posted by freethinker,

Thanks for the clarification. Actually, Benazir was killed by the same people who killed her father, her brothers, and Zia. I don't know if they have anything against Musharraf at the moment, but they might in the future.

Re: # 27 there are three aspects of benazirs death.the sipah i sahaba was hijacked by ISI once Azam Tariq was murdered by ISI and all suicide bombers of Sipah i Sahaba went to ISI control.9 bullets alone were pumped in Azam Tariqs heart.Then are the Chaudries of Gujrat and off course the Musharraf junta.

Re: # 27 zeemax who are these people you suspect?

You are a first class conspiracy theorist. Come on, zee mini, tell us all and support this spurious allegation aimed at no one but still full of nasty innuendo!

and while you are at at it...I would recommend you listen to this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQHrspjw4aA (as i suggested to Tahmed32)

#29 Posted by iron_mask

"Re: # 27 zeemax who are these people you suspect?"

If you don't know then you don't know much about Pakistan.
Connect the dots of all the murders and you would know who Zeemax is referring to.

ironmask: OK i checked the video. nice. but the words you provide below basically are true - though only they are part of the truth:

"Everybody's looking for something" True

"Some of them want to use you
Some of them want to get used by you
Some of them want to abuse you
Some of them want to be abused" True - but only for "Some of them". Leaves out the increasing number of people who look beyond this "zero-sum game" of human history that is driving poor masadi nuts to a "zero-plus situation" - one where material wants are easily satisfied, and humans aspire to higher things - whether it is human society based on rules (as the struggle for the rule of law in Pakistan by the thin red line of lawyers is all about), or whether it is scientific exploration and colonization of the planets and asteroids and moons or harnessing the energy of the sun. This is the "real frontier" where no one needs to abuse anyone.

that should be "plus sum situation", btw in #31.