What is Hinduism? A Personal View

Re: # 255

"Being "formless" is just one of the attributes of God. So one may ask question as if God is Absolute, then how can He be so helpless to have form; conversely if God is formless then he cannot be Absolute, since being formless means that God should be constrained by devoid of having form."

'Formlessness' as "attribute" - this is like saying that "Truly Saheb does not exist" means "non-existence" is an attribute. The statement that "God is formless" seen as a subject and predicate statement is wrong. It means that no predicate is good enough to attribute to god- but Mohammad took this concept of God and is infinite attributes to reify HIS OWN personal ego to the level of that Allah.
Now , whatever Mohammad did became the attribute of God. Mohammad was a split personality and created Allah as his alter ego to justify all those murders and rapes ans loots.
He created Allah as Hitchcock's "Psycho" created that stuffed mother in order to justify his own abominations.
Every psychopath amongst muslims uses that dummy Allah to justify his own abominations and criminal actions and intents.
That is the reality of Mohammad's Allah - it is not a 'spiritual' God but a spin of a criminal who created that cult of murder and loot.
Coming to your argument - if God is absolute then what stops him from having a form!!! If he CANNOT take a form then he is not absolute!!! QED

"See the point is that while interacting with humans God must "speak the language" that humans understand."

Such a statement makes us appear as if God is some Alien. God has already implanted the faculties of language and intelligence. These are hard coded and wired in our brains - if God wants to "communicate" then he could implant his directions in the brains and we would bow down to him like robots.


" God is free of human constraints - He never sleeps; He never eats or drinks; He never gets tired; He has no children; He is begotten by none because "He is Absolute". "

Again to imagine the Absolute in the Anthropomorhic representations and experiences of "sleeps", "anger" , "wrath" , "jelous" , "speak" , "wills" is completely wrong. How can an "Absolute" God and that also a "formless" have these anthropomorphic emotions and attribute. Actually, it was Mohammad's reified ego that speaks like the absolute God.

"Absolute" or "Formless" God cannot be even IMAGINED. It cannot be even prayed. It cannot be even thought. Trying to write treatises regarding absolute God is all nonsensical act of an inflated human ego.
It can only be experienced in Samadhi. (what sufis calls as Fanaa).

#309 Posted by slyder,

LoL, Ali Pai, with the competition being these bhindidicks, the alphabetical disadvantage has never been a problem for your humble servant!

GT:

I will try to answer the question you posed.

I do not see any problem of Hindus and Muslims living together under an Islamic rule. Hindus lived and prospered quite well under many centuries of Muslim rule in India. One could even say that Hindus would make for perfect dhimmies because they were allowed to do even those things that were quite abhorrent to a Muslim as long as they were willing to accept a subservient position. And this, to me, is the key. It is a myth to say that all religions are treated as equal under an Islamic rule; the supremacy of Islam is paramount, especially when it comes to relations between Muslims and Non-Muslims. If someone has any doubts, they should see what is happening in the most liberal Islamic state, Malaysia.

I am less certain of what happens if Muslims are not the rulers. In India, Muslims have made a compromise, they are willing to accept a non-sharia criminal law as long as they are allowed to govern their personal lives according to sharia. This compromise seems to have come under severe pressure because more and more Hindus seem to be uncomfortable with this compromise and would want the constitutional provisions of equality of all individuals to override the Muslims' rights to govern their personal lives according to sharia. While the jury is still out on this, I am pessimistic.

And GT, can one be truly liberal and also accept that individual rights should take a second place to group rights? To me, this is the common element in both Islamic laws and Indian constitution.

Re: # 309
Polyandry is practised in some part of North Eastern region, China, Tibbet and Mongolia ( some part and within some tribes).
It should not be bad. At least it does not encourage barbarism. Ant, Bee etc. society is highly disciplined and organised. Where as polygamy (like Islam) encourages barbarism, destruction etc. Polygamy is root of large number of social evil.

In Sanskrit, there was no symbols representing numbers. After the advent of Devnagari/Brahmi, symbols representing number has evolved.

Is there any punishment in Islam for bluffing/telling lie? Or it is treated as common human nature. I see Islam full of bluff/lies, starting with Mo...

Urstruly:

Some corrections on your earlier post.

Hindus do not consider Brahma, Vishnu or Shiv to be avtars; they are eternal. Vishnu alone comes to earth in one form or another (not necessarily human)from time to time - he is supposed to have done so nine times - starting as fish and ending with Buddha - and the final avtar is yet to happen. When on earth, Vishnu is bound by the same rules that apply to the form he takes, whether as fish or as human.

As regards the Absolute, you have used a quranic benchmark to choose and accept from the Hindu literature what you think is valid. This is quite valid from an Islamic viewpoint; in my opinion, this is also valid from a Hindu viewpoint; the difference being that the Hindu viewpoint would also allow as valid someone who thinks that Ram is the human manifestation of God and worshipping him is the same as worshipping God. An individual Hindu can be quite certain about the absolute faith in his deity, it is the system (Religion, if you will) that denies that certitude.

Zee:
Thanks!

Another Hingbooism question: How do you guys manage polyandry? Do you guys draw numbers or just go alphabetically? (Zeemax pai would be the last if he was a Hingboo)

Re: # 305
Please stop Islam bashing. Let us all live in peace.

Ans: Are you serious? Will Islam let people leave in peace?

Re: # 302
This is definitely very ugly thinking. Gujrat situation is worsening. But, similar situation exists in Mumbai,UK, France etc. also.
I don't see similar problem between christians and indians (so called hindus).

Dear Arjun,

Please stop Islam bashing. Let us all live in peace.

For the true nature of the beast please refer to links in #202.
Read all the juicy details.

Then come back to Chowk if you still dare....

Dear Arjun,

Please stop Islam bashing. Let us all live in peace.

For the true nature of the beast please refer to links in #202.
Read all the juicy details.

Then come back to Chowk if you still dare....

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khurram bhai, that's the situation in India, already. This would seem absurd to many but Urstruly is right.

Indian 'secularism' (with Gujrat and such delights) has been possible by the majority Hindus agreeing to craft an almost perfectly Islamic state.

But that is not enough. Over time, Chowdhary Rahmat Ali Plan as suggested by GT may be something that Hindus and Muslims might need to look into.

"I had proposed that they should be able to implement their own "social laws" and even have their own enforcement structure - i.e. police force."

GT, so long as Hindus can create protected but practically autonomous Hindu enclaves within a Muslim dominated state (such as Pakistan), or Muslims can create protected but practically autonomous Muslim enclaves within a Hindu dominated state, separation between Hindus and Muslims as groups, along the lines recommended by Chowdhry Rahmat Ali has been achieved. That should work.

Not what I would recommend for India, but given changing demographics in many parts of India, we may be there pretty soon, whether Hindus and Muslims like it or not. So that's an idea that India and Pakistan might want to pursue.

(Of course, the last sentence is a joke. When it came to understanding and protecting their communal interests Iqbal/Mr. Jinnah were miles ahead of Gandhi/Nehru. Hats off to the former for their clarity of thought on this issue.)

Re: #295 GT, ".... the three dominant religions - Hinduism, Islam and Liberalism..."

Why not have the 3 dominant religious communities (and others) make their own laws as much as possible. Let the State act as a 'community of communities' and restrict itself to spheres where communities have to act together.

I think this problem is best discussed through concrete examples. So, please share some specific examples that you may have in mind.

Urstruly (#293),

It is like the ummah continuously humoring us about “last prophet�. This is what you believe … and I get it. Now can I have the #*%king passport?

(I hope you see the irnoy ...)