jehanzeb khan January 26, 2008
#1 Posted by jayp on January 31, 2008 1:01:50 am
"I was perplexed at the idea of tea at that hour of the night until I viewed the texture of this liquid I realized this my friends, was no Lipton, it was red wine."
Khan saab, feel sorry for the poor guys who have to drink wine out of porcelain tea cups, and that is no joy.
Coming to the point, you are telling that sale of wine should be legalised because pakistanis are breaking the law by selling alcohol.
University professors are plagiarising, so let us legalise that.
Thousands of mobile phones are snatched in pakistan, so let us legalise that.
So many women are killed on suspicion of infidelity. Let us legalise that. Sorry that has been legalised by hoodood ordinance. So khan saab, leave that from your agenda.
Khan saab, feel sorry for the poor guys who have to drink wine out of porcelain tea cups, and that is no joy.
Coming to the point, you are telling that sale of wine should be legalised because pakistanis are breaking the law by selling alcohol.
University professors are plagiarising, so let us legalise that.
Thousands of mobile phones are snatched in pakistan, so let us legalise that.
So many women are killed on suspicion of infidelity. Let us legalise that. Sorry that has been legalised by hoodood ordinance. So khan saab, leave that from your agenda.
#2 Posted by Kamath on January 31, 2008 5:01:56 am
Mr. Khan: Salaam,
"..This remains true for today’s religious parties, in fact the countries biggest distillery Murre Brewery is in the MMA controlled NWFP, surely they realize production is going beyond the needs of the countries religious minorities?...."
I always wondered why Pakistan based on principles of upholding Islam and its values permits manufacture of Alchohol. Is it not a sin? Could somebody tell me why?
It is not permitted in S.Arabia-the heartland of Islam!
Kamath
"..This remains true for today’s religious parties, in fact the countries biggest distillery Murre Brewery is in the MMA controlled NWFP, surely they realize production is going beyond the needs of the countries religious minorities?...."
I always wondered why Pakistan based on principles of upholding Islam and its values permits manufacture of Alchohol. Is it not a sin? Could somebody tell me why?
It is not permitted in S.Arabia-the heartland of Islam!
Kamath
#3 Posted by Ras on January 31, 2008 7:05:39 am
It is time to make it legal for medicinal purposes.
Increase your HDL and lower heart attacks and strokes.
SWAT used to make some good wine and look what has
happened since they quit?
#4 Posted by hamidm2 on January 31, 2008 8:00:10 am
..... i believe they do not make any alcoholic drinks in hattar (NWFP), only the tops fruit juices and other girlie drinks for the bearded crowd ....the brewery is in rawalpind next door to musharraf's house ....... there is a glass factory in hattar which makes the bottles for some of the finest beer in the world ...... murree's millenium with a 8% alcohol content is good but the classic lager with a 5.5% cfontent is much better than stuff like heineken ........ i believe murree still makes an aged malt whiskey, but based on some bad experiences thirty years ago i would not recommend it .... you are better off drinking the poison from the wrong side of the border which is freely available and cheap ......
.........there is the quetta distillery (not owned by murree brewey) in mullah territory which makes a fairly decent gin and a poisonous run named XXX which will make the hair grow on your chest ....
........ pakistan is perhaps the only country in the world where liquor is delivered to your home with one cell phone call ...... and he gets there before the pizza hut guy .......
#5 Posted by blithe on January 31, 2008 9:29:26 am
Jehanzeb, if you want the prohibition to be lifted, just say so. DO not beat about the bush. Your ending where you give a 'sigh'...shows that you are longing for a hard drink.. or maybe you were drunk when you were writing this.
I for one do not drink nor do I support an end to prohibition. We have enough societal problems, lets not encourage another one. I belive the average Paksitni has restraint.
The elite who drink do cause drunk driving accidents and Musharraf takes his own liqour cabinet when he is visiting truly 'dry' countries.
I for one do not drink nor do I support an end to prohibition. We have enough societal problems, lets not encourage another one. I belive the average Paksitni has restraint.
The elite who drink do cause drunk driving accidents and Musharraf takes his own liqour cabinet when he is visiting truly 'dry' countries.
#6 Posted by fuzair on January 31, 2008 11:50:21 am
Hamidm,
Cossack Vodka zindabad! Probably Quetta Distillery's finest product.
Murree whiskey is vile and the rum is truly poisonous but I do have to agree about Muree Lager. However, you do have to be careful about getting Do Number Ka Maal.
Cossack Vodka zindabad! Probably Quetta Distillery's finest product.
Murree whiskey is vile and the rum is truly poisonous but I do have to agree about Muree Lager. However, you do have to be careful about getting Do Number Ka Maal.
#7 Posted by fuzair on January 31, 2008 11:50:21 am
Hamidm,
Cossack Vodka zindabad! Probably Quetta Distillery's finest product.
Murree whiskey is vile and the rum is truly poisonous but I do have to agree about Muree Lager. However, you do have to be careful about getting Do Number Ka Maal.
Cossack Vodka zindabad! Probably Quetta Distillery's finest product.
Murree whiskey is vile and the rum is truly poisonous but I do have to agree about Muree Lager. However, you do have to be careful about getting Do Number Ka Maal.
#8 Posted by j on February 1, 2008 6:39:25 am
@blithe.What your failing to recgnise is my point that prohibition does not exist more than just on paper and thus by bringing it officialy to an end the country can gain greater utility,tax revenue etc and do you honestly think our police force that cant even get people to stop at a dam signal can handle prohibition even if they made a real attmept to do so.also your statement that the averege pakistani has 'restraint' is both inacurate and morallistic,the wide variety of very cheap liqour available and ,as i said in the article, the class composition of victims of batches of bad liqour going around shows this.furthermore dont you think that people deserve to judge for themselves whether they wish to consume alcohol or not,or do you think your personal judgement over it should be applied on all?In regards to societal problems of alcohol its more important to address the root causes of them that manefest in alcoholism, besides when alcohol was legal pre '77 we did not suffer any major alcholism problems.Besides what i am trying to put greater focus on in this article is the use of diversionary tactics by political forces rather than prohibition in particular
#9 Posted by blithe on February 1, 2008 10:42:26 am
Jehanzeb, I am gald you have come out clearly in your reply. I respect the way you have defended your points.
In reply to you, I support the prohibition in principle; but I DID NOT justify the way it is being adminstered by the Government.
The fact that Musharraf drinks.. I have a feeling that his "shooting from the hip" ideas on many national and international issues (inluding his fertile ideas on Kashmir ) have do with him being drunk at times... This is obviously NOT his major problem ... but research has been done that if you are an alcoholic your brain development stops... So a 65 year old alcholic may have a brain of an 18 year old.
To reply to your point on major incidents from alcholism : We have also lost half of our country beacuse the then dictator Yaya Khan was a drunkard and also experimented with drugs , which took away his faculties and alienated the Bengalis post elections.
Now, having said what I have said, I am not a preacher and do not want to impose my personal beliefs on you. But there is a code of morality in the Pakistani society ... I am a supporter of probibition in principle.
In reply to you, I support the prohibition in principle; but I DID NOT justify the way it is being adminstered by the Government.
The fact that Musharraf drinks.. I have a feeling that his "shooting from the hip" ideas on many national and international issues (inluding his fertile ideas on Kashmir ) have do with him being drunk at times... This is obviously NOT his major problem ... but research has been done that if you are an alcoholic your brain development stops... So a 65 year old alcholic may have a brain of an 18 year old.
To reply to your point on major incidents from alcholism : We have also lost half of our country beacuse the then dictator Yaya Khan was a drunkard and also experimented with drugs , which took away his faculties and alienated the Bengalis post elections.
Now, having said what I have said, I am not a preacher and do not want to impose my personal beliefs on you. But there is a code of morality in the Pakistani society ... I am a supporter of probibition in principle.
#10 Posted by hamidm2 on February 2, 2008 4:47:36 am
Re: # 9
blithe,
....... let me point put that drinking alcohol does not make you an alcoholic ....... if that was the case, as you seem to think, the majority of 65 year old nobel prize winners would have the brain of an 18 year old ...... hitler did not drink and neither does osama ........
blithe,
....... let me point put that drinking alcohol does not make you an alcoholic ....... if that was the case, as you seem to think, the majority of 65 year old nobel prize winners would have the brain of an 18 year old ...... hitler did not drink and neither does osama ........
#11 Posted by blithe on February 2, 2008 7:09:08 am
# 10, one cannot deny that Yaya was an alcholic... I am not 100% sure about Musharraf but I have it on good authority that he is often drunk during his public "sermons" on being 'patriotic Pakistanis".
In any case, agree with you, drinking does not make you good vs bad, but it does cloud your judgement. Also contend that if we had a proper constitutional system, the biggest drunkard would not be abel to mess the country up.
also concede that if you are to buy your own wine and drink as a connesieur , I personally have no right to stop you, BUT there is a specific law in Pakistan against it (you and Jehanzeb obviously feel that the law is not moral , I disagree)...
In any case, agree with you, drinking does not make you good vs bad, but it does cloud your judgement. Also contend that if we had a proper constitutional system, the biggest drunkard would not be abel to mess the country up.
also concede that if you are to buy your own wine and drink as a connesieur , I personally have no right to stop you, BUT there is a specific law in Pakistan against it (you and Jehanzeb obviously feel that the law is not moral , I disagree)...
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