Mehrgarh...The Lost Civilization

Jayp and gracious?

He is a liar. A shameless one at that. Everything he has claimed on chowk from K for Kafir to everything else has been a lie.

I challenge him to show us a single link showing that Pakistan has indeed withdrawn its application for Harappa as a world heritage site... as if Jehadis didn't have other things to agitate about.

Manto Garu,
(garu is a honorific in telugu .. just like “ji” )

Europe was in dark ages.. when it followed Christianity by the “book” … and ignored its past. Renaissance happed when Europe looked beyond christianity… to its rish past.

If pakistan wants to have a renaissance… it has to look to its rich past.. and draw from it for its nation building exercise.

( recall that harappa was withdrawn by mushy under pressure from the jihadis. )

Source???

Regards

Manto mian,

I hope Harappa gets selected pretty soon, the site cud do with some funds and visibility.

Jayp,

I hope u will be gracious enuff to concede that u were wrong.

Anyway, lets pray that UNESCO guys get there b4 Mahatma Mehsud does.

Regards

Thanks majumdar.

I recall that harappa was withdrawn by mushy under pressure from the jihadis.

Poor Jayp's claim was that Pakistan has not submitted Harappa's name for WHC site... here is the information from the UNESCO Website:

http://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/1878/


Archaeological Site of Harappa

Pakistan (Asia and the Pacific)


Date of Submission: 30/01/2004
Criteria: (ii)(iv)
Category: Cultural
Submission prepared by:
Department of Archaeology and Museums
Coordinates:
30° 6 N 72° 8 E - Punjab
Ref.: 1878

Description
The archaeological site of Harappa consists of a series of low archaeological mounds and cemeteries to the south of a dry bed of the Ravi river. Although covering a full extent of 150 hectares the property and its buffer zone comprises eight mounds and two cemeteries – the remainder being buried deep beneath the surrounding agricultural land or the modern village of Harappa. A modern sign posted network of concrete paths links most of these mounds. The site’s sequence stretches from the fourth to the second millennium BC and whilst there are a limited number of open sections, the only exposed structures, on mound AB and F, date to the third millennium. There are a number of historic structures scattered across the property including an un-conserved Gupta period temple, a partially conserved mosque, the recently excavated foundations of a Mughal serai and the ruins of a colonial police station. Modern purpose built structures are located close to mound E being adjacent to the access road. These include a museum (currently being enlarged), rest house, police house, public toilets, snack bar and children’s play area, store rooms in addition to the complex housing the Harappa Archaeological Research Project other modern features include a small cemetery to the east of mound AB. A modern reconstruction of a Bronze Age city wall and gate has been constructed on the southern edge of mounds E and ET alongside the access road.



The archaeological sequence at the site of Harappa is over 13 metres deep, spanning the period between the fourth and second millennium BC. Being located beside an old course of the Ravi River, its inhabitants had easy access to trade networks, aquatic food stuffs as well as water for drinking and cultivation, perhaps explaining why the site was occupied for so long. Indeed, the site represents a classic archaeological tell site, that is an artificial mound created by generations of superimposed mud brick structures. Its excavators have proposed the following chronology:

1.Ravi Aspect of the Hakra phase c.3300-2800 BC

2.Kot Dijian (Early Harappan) phase c.2800-2600 BC

3.Harappan Phase c.2600-1900 BC

4.Transitional Phase c.1900-1800 BC

5.Late Harappan Phase c.1800-1300 BC



The earliest evidence for occupation at the site, that of a small agricultural settlement, has been identified at the foot of the north-west corner of mound AB, but by third millennium BC all AB and much of E were also settled. The site continued to expand and reached its full extent of over 100 hectares during the mature of Harappan period between 2600 and 1900 BC. Harappa’s unique town plan is at its most obvious during this period with at least for self contained walled centres, each on its own raised mounds. Cemetery H represents the final transformation of this urbanised, literate civilisation into a mosaic of mobile cultures demonstrating little socio economic integration. Following its abandonment in the second millennium BC, the upper parts of its mud-brick structures eroded sufficiently to protect those below. Certainly the hoistoric occupation of parts of the site although frequently reusing Bronze Age bricks, had little impact. However, three more recent developments have greatly affected the property. The first, the removal of thousands of bricks for railway ballast in the 1850s, destroyed many of the late phases of occupation the second, the increasing use of irrigation agriculture, resulted in gross salination; whilst the third, archaeological excavations, exposed structures to the destructive nature of salination. As a result many of the structures exposed and conserved by Wheeler in the 1940s have been completely destroyed.

United Nations - Copyright © 1992-2008 UNESCO World Heritage Centre, All Rights Reserved | Terms / Policies | v3.0, Updated 01 Feb 2008

Manto,

The fact is that in the india of today, no one can get respect by taking a partisan stand, whether it is for lower caste or for any religion. That is why no one talks about ambedkar, other than some old tomers or people in his home state of maharashtra.

Our ex-president abdul kalam is a good example, he was not a muslim supporter, so is man mohan singh, not a sikh by any chance, so is sonia not a christian or italian by any means.

Those days of Jagjivan ram, the low caste eternal minister, jaffer sherif the muslim eternal minister etc are all gone.

Jayp,

Buddhism doesnt have any caste system, Ambedkar or no Ambedkar. Maybe Kaal bhai can shed some light upon it.

Jayp/Manto,

Here is the WHC list.

http://whc.unesco.org/en/list

Archaeological Ruins at Moenjodaro (1980)
Buddhist Ruins of Takht-i-Bahi and Neighbouring City Remains at Sahr-i-Bahlol (1980)
Taxila (1980)
Fort and Shalamar Gardens in Lahore (1981)
Historical Monuments of Thatta (1981)
Rohtas Fort (1997)

Harappa isnt there but Mohenjo-daro and Taxila (both pre-Islamic) are very much there.

Regards

After reading your posts here, all I can say is that your mental capacity is severely diminished and therefore it is not worth it talking to a dimwit like yourself.

manto, take it easy. The man ambedkar introduced caste system into budhism, at the request of the budhists.

The man had some good ideas, but he became senile and he should be remembered for neo-budhism, like jinnah for TNT, he is the founder of neo-budhism.

or maybe his claim that Harappa is not a world heritage site.

or maybe his claim that Harappa is not a world heritage site.

I must say Jayp's statement that no one talks about Ambedkar anymore must rank as the best of his fibs.

69

Talk about purity and exclusivism. Spoken like a true Gandhian fascist.

Majumdar to Jayp,

"That is not true. BSP, the ruler in India's largest state, is committed to an Ambedkarite agenda. Besides most other parties at least pay service to him."

Facts have never been Jayp's forte. He comes up with bloopers like these all the time.

majumdar,

I rest my case with the neo-budhists, which bastardised budhism. Ambedkar has to get full credit for that.