Mehrgarh...The Lost Civilization

Re: # 99 Very nice information, this also shows variety within hindu practices adn also the differences of South India and North India .

Mehergarh , one of the about 2400 plus sites , scattered all over india but mostly concentrated in areas now in Pakistan, Mehergarh is associated with Indus Saraswati Civilzation, Meher garh is considered among the oldest of the roots.

Indus -Saraswati civilization, a civilization that propespered betweent two rivers, on the West Indus, and to the East Saraswati, Saraswati it is said, used to orignate from East of Satluj from the Siwalik ranges Himaliyas and ended up in Delta of Run of Kutch , in between during the course of time, Saraswati dried up somewhere in the Rajhistan Desert and is no More.
some attribute this drying up of Saraswati as the beggining of the end of this great Oldest civilization.

..its mentioned in the Regveda and other Vedic Literature.
Ghaggar which reached the Hakra branch in Bahawalpur,
is traditionally identified with the Sarasvati river.

this Article thogh I think is a bit outdated as it identifies only about 1100 or so sites, but still

http://www.hindunet.org/hindu_history/sarasvati/html/civilizationdates. htm

is worth a read...it also have a few maps....

I'll try to find the link to the Satellite Imaged Map , tracing the course or Saraswati ....and will post it.
later.


traces of this great civilization have been found as far as Tamil Nadu.

Re: # 115

"traces of this great civilization have been found as far as Tamil Nadu" This may not be accurate.

Also, http://www.hindunet.org is not very credible website.

haideri

Yes though it is not conclusive, but there is a theory , afloat, based on the West to East geographic shift of sanskit text , which at least shows Tamil Nadu to be in contact or a part of this civilization.

http://www.harappa.com/script/mahadevantext.html


But again, nothing is conclusive so far...

Infact Neolithic graves have also been found in and around Karachi....especially around Gadap , Korangi creek, and in thatta district.


http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cache:-2qdlrTzliQJ:www.sindh.iucnp .org/pdf/ch.PDF+neolithic+graves+in+Karachi&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6

Infact there was an article written by Mr Azmat Ansari in Dawn, and reproduced here
http://karachi.metblogs.com/archives/2007/08/karachi_has_a_h.phtml


" Unfortunately, the most extraordinary discovery of the millennium, the existence of megalithic graves in Gulistan-i-Jauhar — which proved it beyond any doubt that the area which we call Karachi today was an inhabited one four to five thousand years ago — was played down."


.... a Part of Undermining History , which started 60 years Back....

Guys,

I have uploaded a picture of surumcho(surma applicator)which is currently in my possession. This surumcho is from Emperor Akbar's time.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23423417@N06/2235942742/sizes/l/

Re: # 114 Dear Mehergarh is unique and it was welll before ... about 2500-4000 before Indus flourished. Indus came after Mehergarh... and its location is entirely in different terrain and place. It can not be mixed up with Indus... yes Indus inherited its many characterestics, but it does not make it a symbol of later civilization. It was the originator of civilization, art and symbology in Pakistan.

#111

without your past and drawing strenghth from it ... Pakistan will have no golden future. Certainly not in the "saudi path" it is pursuing now.

Re: # 122
It is useless to cast pearls before swine!

Manto,

The following is from jang of today, opinion piece.

This provides some explanation for teh present state of pakistan, and why your ilk have only one speach to hold on to. The man had done a deal with the mullahs long time ago that pakistan will be a sharia country.

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The most famous of these Marxist theories is the one put forth by the late Hamza Alavi. He asserted that the most ardent supporters of the idea of Pakistan were not the ulema but the Muslim salariat. The salariat comprised the sizable body of modern-educated Muslims who perceived that the creation of Pakistan would drastically improve their chances of finding employment with the state than if they were not to remain a part of a united India dominated by the more economically and educationally advanced Hindu majority. Thus, it is argued, Pakistan was not established out of confessional zeal but secular concerns of the salariat.

Alavi, however, never at any stage studied the actual dynamics of the Pakistan movement after the Lahore resolution of 1940. Therefore he was completely oblivious of the fact that the Muslim League made its breakthrough in the Punjab and NWFP only when it won over the Barelvi ulema and pirs. There is solid evidence to prove that Jinnah assured the ulema that the Shariah will apply to Muslims in Pakistan.

At last the sindhis are becoming sensible. From dawn of today


Kashmir Day


I FAIL to understand the wisdom behind declaring Feb 5 Kashmir Day as a public holiday. What have we achieved during the last 60 years in Kashmir that we should have a Kashmir day holiday.

What will most of the people do sitting at home? Maybe they will all sleep late, watch TV or play with their children.

The industries will have to run on double the normal wages and most of the daily wage earners will lose their earnings sitting idle at home, doing nothing.

I think it is simply a misconception and the government should look into it and remove it from the holiday list during the year 2009.

RAZA ALI DOSSA
Karachi

Re: # 124

I thought the tide for the humiliation of Muslims League changed only after Jinnah-Sikandar Pact.

...and I too think , it basically was to safe guard the interest of Salariat, and feudals joined in Later ...

Islam ...etc... was just a tool / mechanism to control the masses.

Re: # 126 what relationship this has with Mehergarh? Do,nt hijack the topic!

Bechare Paki people. They are in denial. Now they have to discover their roots in Indus and older Harappan civilizations and share their ancestry with Horrible Hing sniffing Hindus. They better have their First Tirthankar coming from Arabia. They must denigrate what Hinduss have become: Polytheistic, Polyglot, Polyethnic, Polyculinary (including some who consume loads of Hing, avoid Meat, Eggs, Potatoes, Onions and Lahsun), Polycasteic, Polyreligious, Plygamous, Polygynandrous. You name a Poly they have it. They tried very hard to change them and failed.

Now they are angry that umrika is threatening with bombing back to Harappan age. Tch, Tch, Tch, Tch, Tch.