Mehrgarh...The Lost Civilization

Manto,

come up with something different, something that will help understand the past based on what is present. The past events and the ideas should eventually lead to teh present. I do not know and care whom you are quoting, that is only his opinion, does it help unedrstand teh present and help develop some policies, no none at all and to that extent what ever you post are senseless.

If people start removing his photos from govt offices and start crticising TNT, a new pakistan will emerge.

There is never any basis for Jayp's claims.

"that is the jehadis fault"

Actually Majumdar poor Jayp is wrong on that count as well.

The father of Taliban and his party Maulana Fazlu recently refused to recognize Jinnah as the father of the nation.

http://pakistaniat.com/2007/02/09/jinnah-maulana-fazlur-rehman-jui-fr eedom-fighter/

Mullah Omar ... a true Gandhian... actually walked out a room because it had Jinnah's portrait.

Re: # 49

No my foolish friend. What you are writing is "opinion". What I have quoted are historical facts.

As for people removing Jinnah's portrait... yes erstwhile Gandhians like the taliban and Mullah Fazlu are trying to remove his picture but we will defeat Gandhiism in all its forms.

majumdar,

The mutually exclusive nature of hindus and muslims as contained in teh TNT is essentially kafir notion. The idol worshippers have nothing in common with the muslims.

About the photos, I am not talking about some ones fault, I am only trying to show that TNT and jihad are fully aligned.

People and their lives are of no interest to me, it is the ideas, and I consider chowk to be a market place of ideas.

If we are to judge Gandhi and the Ismaili today…. All we have to do is look at present day India and Pakistan . In India democracy has very deep roots now. Can the same be said about Pakistan ?????

Re: # 48

Yes. Are you saying that Pakistani establishment is paying the price for following Gandhi?

I tend to agree.

Re: # 53

India's democracy has nothing to do with Gandhi. It has a lot more to do with a fellow named Ambedkar whose view of Gandhi the fascist was very similar to mine.

Re: # 52

But you are as usual factually morally historically wrong.

Re: # 52

But you are as usual factually morally historically wrong.

Infact... I'd say that Gandhians like Jayp and Jehadis are firmly allied:

Jinnah not our freedom fighter : Pak Islamists

http://www.expressindia.com/news/fullstory.php?newsid=81094

India's democracy is working because.. India has drawn on all its ancient symbols ( like ashok chakra ) in its nation building exercise.

Paistan has many symbols.. but has chosen not to use them……

Using ancient symbols can only make Pakistan stronger and a nation at peace with itself.

All this talk of "ancient" symbols is fascinatingly similar to a fellow named Adolf Hitler (who shared a common world view with Gandhi ironically) ...

All the same you admit that Indian democracy doesn't have anything to do with the racist casteist Hindu fascist bigot Gandhi?

Mohenjodaro, Gandhara, Kitasraj, Harappa are cultural heritage of Pakistan. We are proud of it.. just like we are proud of our Mughal, sikh and British heritage.

Mohenjodaro, Gandhara, Kitasraj and Harappa are very well celebrated and appreciated in Pakistan and a visit to Pakistan or to a foreign mission of Pakistan will make it abundantly clear that there is ample celebration of our cultural heritage ...

manot,

The fact remains that no one talks about ambedkar now. He is the guy who created prblems by converting hindus into budhists and a new caste neo-budhist had to be created to accord privilages to those low caste people.

Ambedkar died a senile person, and a low caste called neo-budhists, created at the insistance of the converted budhists is the lasting legacy of that person, and the proof that he had no understanding of india.

Manto, you did not answer the question, why is pakistan refusing to nominate harappa in the world heritage list.

Jayp,

(The fact remains that no one talks about ambedkar now. )

That is not true. BSP, the ruler in India's largest state, is committed to an Ambedkarite agenda. Besides most other parties at least pay service to him.

Jayp/Manto,

Mahatma Maudoodi was Maulana Gandhi's parting gift to Pakistan. He converted large chunks of Paki people into following a satyagrahi agenda.

It might interest both of you that Satyagrah is kaffir speak for struggle for truth while Jihad is Momin speak for the same.

Regards