Pakistan's Universities - Problems and Solutions

Re: # 148

And over which mountain do you sit proudly upon Mr. Beggar Ippi?

Horrible outburst of Sir (whoever)...

Even Babar disliked India but he stayed to rule.

The word PUNJAB is not an ancient word by the way!

All Sirs were stooges of the British; you don't get knighthoods for nothing!

Now give me a japhi (hug) and a kichi (brotherly kiss).

Peace.

Re: # 136

"I look towards my own sense of right and wrong and dont seek guidance from anyone."

Now find the answer to this huge problem in the Qur'an.

Happy hunting!

Pak identity

This is an article about the state of universities in pakistan and how to improve them.

All of the educated pakistanis have posted about teh islams contribution to science, the koranic science and you name it.

No one cared to mention any pakistani scientist let alone abdus salam.

All of the educated pakistanis have identified islam with pakistan.

Anything good done by any muslim any where and any time in history is claimed by these educated pakistanis.

There in lies the tragedy of pakistan and the victory of TNT.

TNT has sublimated any kind of cultural identity that the pakistanis could have had

Re: # 160
"....... if we spend half as much time studying algebra as we spend on discussing who invented algebra we would be much better off ...... any muslim child can rattle off a dozen names of muslim scholars but can't tell his elbow from a hole in the ground ....... what a waste !".

There I agree with you. I can't understand the obsession of some Muslims with proving that Islam/muslims were somehow the first to demonstrate/prove this , that, or the other.

Unfortunately (or otherwise) I am not one of them. Actually (between me and you) I am ashamed to admit that I often spend sometime doing algebra; I have to teach it.

Re: # 157 GT

Its really quite simple. The fixed portion come out of only the 2/3rd of the estate; 1/3 of it can be bequethed through a will to anyone among those with fixed portions or outside like a friend or a charity. Among the fixed portion the residual is disbursed to the nearest living male of the family.

Re: # 157 GT

Its really quite simple. The fixed portion come out of only the 2/3rd of the estate; 1/3 of it can be bequethed through a will to anyone among those with fixed portions or outside like a friend or a charity. Among the fixed portion the residual is disbursed to the nearest living male of the family.

Re: # 156

viqram mian,

...... every community has its idiots but the mohammedans have more than their fair share ... as a matter of fact it is hard to find many sane people among the believers - even the best among us suffer from paranoia, schizophrenia and low self-esteem ........

....... if we spend half as much time studying algebra as we spend on discussing who invented algebra we would be much better off ...... any muslim child can rattle off a dozen names of muslim scholars but can't tell his elbow from a hole in the ground ....... what a waste !

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Re: # 136 Tahmed

"...By focussing on the substance of the Quran..."
Which version do you subscribe to: the modern Arabic, or the San'aa manuscripts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sana'a_manuscripts)?
Thanks

#155 Posted by Urstruly

Urstruly,

I get you. From the article what I get is that; (a) laws are set; (b) the laws are complex. The Talmudic debate, which I beieve occered say around 400-500 years later have a bit more to do with "fairness" as understood by different scholars. Given my understanding of the article referred by you, what I would be more interested in is: How did Muslim scholars/lawmakers rule on the division of the "residual" (i.e. that proportion left over, in cases where there was a left over, after calculating the shares as directed by the Koran).

Thanks once again.

Re: # 142 Hamidm Sahib,
Actually stupidity is far more prevalent, and on constant display, amongst the mindless and vile opponents of Islam.

I do not have enough knowledge of medical sciences. I can either honestly admit it and leave medical issues to those who do have sufficient knowledge; or I can thump my chest, claim to be an expert, and put my ignorance and stupidity on display, in order to win brownie points from those in the crowd who are equally, or even more, prejudiced against medical sciences. The choice, in the end, is mine alone.

While it is generous of you to so concede, there is really no need to convince me that there are idiots among the "Liberty" University crowd. I have known for a long time that there are, in fact, mostly idiots at "Liberty" University and other similar institutions.

Peace.

Re: # 153 GT

Oh no, they are not discussing algebra there. The intent of posting that website was to show the mathematical complexity one comes across when dealing with the execution of Law of Inheritence. Algebraic expressions can make these complexities easy to solve; and that was the engine that drove Muslim mathematicians to evolve Algebra. Interestingly enough the alphabet used in Arabic (and Urdu) to this date to represent the unknown quantity "x" (in English) is the alphabet "Laa". The "Laa" in Arabic is also used as a word to say "no", "nothing", or "unknown"

Re: # 152 sattar2

''However, if you insist on contextualizing Quranic guidance on inheritance by having the parliament decide what is proper, then apply the same principle to consumption of alcohol and pork also. Arguably, having pork chops with a glass of wine does not violate any “broad, universal principles” either; so I am not sure why a Muslim should have any issues with doing so''

Agreed. you are agreeing with exactly my point that you disagreed with me here....

http://chowk.com/interacts/12085/1/0/416#329511

my interact no is #807 in reply to tahmed2

i reproduce it here.
tahmed sahib

(((I respect your views...and this is perhaps the first time i have come to know what you really stand for....i partially agree with what you said...

But tahmed ji the problem is that `given the nature of our faith`s social dimension, we cannot completely ignore the CONTENT of islamic social philosophy and its ideological dimension.....your views and practices are ideal and admirable on personal level but ,on the social level, how would we ignore other principles of islam???? The principles you are taliking about are very generalised kind of values and can be quite ambigeous and misleading unless they are described in the context of that Ideological system.

Islam has its own comprehensive and `all-inclusive` system....Along with those broad principles what distinguish from other religions and ideologies is that it has CATEGORICAL DESCRIPTION of those BROADER principles...and we cannot ignore IT... even though there is great room for reforms and `ijtehaad` within that `mutable content` but nothing can be accomodated in the framework of islam beyond the CATEGORICAL DESCRIPTION of those `mutable aspects` and the basic core pricnciples....that`s the reason why even Iqbal believes in an islamic ideological system...)

Dear Urstruly,

Thanks once again. The article (and related debate) had to do with proportions, I do not see "algebra" being discussed. Am I on the right page?

tahmed (#151),

Quranic guidance regarding inheritance is 2:1 between son and daughter (under normal circumstances). I am not sure why there is any need to drag the constitution or parliament into this.

If you think the 2:1 rule violates broad, universal principles, then your issue is with Quran itself that laid out the 2:1 principle in the first place.

However, if you insist on contextualizing Quranic guidance on inheritance by having the parliament decide what is proper, then apply the same principle to consumption of alcohol and pork also. Arguably, having pork chops with a glass of wine does not violate any “broad, universal principles” either; so I am not sure why a Muslim should have any issues with doing so.

sattar: by "how" i mean the process through which you decide any issue (e.g. whether drinking should be legal or illegal to use your example), whereas the "what" is the decision itself.

In my post below I was addressing the "how", not the "what" on the inheritance issue. Hope this clarifies. And where I stand on "how" is that it should be a democratically elected parliament that is guided by broad, universal principles embedded in the constitution.

Trouble in Pakistan is that the "how" has too often been a dictator's stroke of a pen (as in case of hadood laws e.g.). That is what I have been saying below. Hope this clarifies.