Pakistan's Universities - Problems and Solutions

I was flying back yesterday on a long-haul and there was a hindu sitting next to me. He smelt so bad that I had to fight with the crew to change my seat. Surely we must have not evolved from the same species of monkeys. Hindus seem to have evolved from a really smelly species of apes.

any more than I believe man was evolved from fish who grew feet then came ashore then eventually took the shape of monkeys who started to walk upright through necessity of nature and also learnt to fly as birds.


Is this what they teach in paki schools in the chapter/course for evolution?

no wonder education in the land of the pure is so messed up..

i think madrassahs are a step up...

... of-course, nowhere I'm implying one can get power from Jinns, any more than I believe man was evolved from fish who grew feet then came ashore then eventually took the shape of monkeys who started to walk upright through necessity of nature and also learnt to fly as birds.

But this is not an argument. Just a clarification towards the intent of my question below.

#178 Posted by SR,

SR, I have never understood one thing. Perhaps you could shed light. I have asked hamidm too before but with no satisfactory response. Gill Saheb is probably an exception which proves the rule. Yourself and hamidm etc are the rule.

Atheism means no God or religion. Right? Which is fine and I guess that would imply leading a life moment to moment without any burdens or responsibility of Faith , which is fine too and religions do not insult that approach - they just propagate their own ...

My question is why do atheists insult religion with such venom? Why do they insult something which doesn't exist? Why do they not just argue their own approach? What's their beef? Religion (all religions) do not attack atheists, nor insult them since they consider them to be a fact of life ... and let them carry on with their beliefs.

How many religious people, even on this anon site let alone real life, have you seen who habitually and consistently insult atheists at every opportunity as if obsessed?

Your italicization of Muhammad in the interactor's name did not go unnoticed. Wonder why you had to do that.

Answer? I'm really curious and would like to know. How has religion harmed you personally? Why would you like to defame it? I recall your even posting something once re 9/11 implying it could only be some great diabolical power which carried it out. Surely that great diabolical power would not have been, in your well considered and educated opinion, some bearded men sitting in caves. Was I wrong? If I was, was it that event alone or there's something else here which I'm missing?

Thanks for the clarification. Just wanted to remove cobwebs.

Regards.

Re: # 145 Muhammad Hamid wrote: ["... focus on providing primary education ... instead of creating another bureaucracy ... wasting good money on producing 'scholars' ... to harness the power of jinns to solve the energy cirsis ..."]

Shame on you Muhammad Hamid... The idea of getting energy from the jinnat is a damn good one. All we need to do is focus on the scientific research and apply the principles of the Quran, and before you know it, shezaam...!!! we'll have regained our glorious past inshallah

Just see what our Muslim brothers next door have found out by taking the approach I suggest above:

NASA Photos Prove Splitting of Moon

Tehran

The opening verses of the Sura Al-Qamar in the Qur’an talk about the miracle of Shaq-ul-Qamar (the splitting of the moon into two), and new photographs of the moon taken by NASA prove the miracle, said a prominent Islamic scholar. Addressing a conference titled “Splitting of the Moon, Miracle of Prophet Mohammad, Based of NASA’s Studies” at Tehran’s Imam Khomeini Mosalla, Ayatollah Abdulkareem Biazar Shirazi read out the first verse’s of Sura Al-Qamar: “The hour drew nigh and the moon did rend asunder” (54:1) and said “This verse is about a miracle performed by the Prophet (Pbuh) upon the request of the people of Makkah. The conference was organised by the cultural deputy of the Islamic Azad University on the sidelines of the 15th International Qur’an Exhibition, Scientists at NASA have determined that along with spiral and circular splits, there is a straight split going through the middle of the moon. They believe the split is the result of a meteor impact on the moon, whereas the shape of the split clearly shows that the moon has once been divided in two parts and then the two parts have come together again.

IINA

#176 Posted by gupangam on February 2, 2008 4:10:28 pm


Is there a Lower Education Commission (LEC)


No..but there is a JEC...jihadi education commission..otherwise known as the pakistani army...

I have a question prompted by some of the comments here. Is there a Lower Education Commission (LEC) in Pakistan that is spending at least as much as HEC (if not more) on achieving the same kind of (claimed) revolution in education at all levels from kindergarten to year 12 (Intermediate/Secondary?
Here is anther example of the scrambled priorities of the Pakistani government.
In the late 90's I remember passing the Lower Mall Road in Lahore near the Government Central Model High School at its opening hours. There were hundreds of young students dangerously trying to cross the road to get to the school. There was not a single traffic crossing anywhere in Lahore for children, the future of Pakistan. However, only a few hundred metres further up the road the Punjab government was expanding the shrine of Hazrat Data Gunj Bukhsh at a cost of Rs 200 million. Isn't there something seriously wrong here?
Can't the World Bank see that it is not the universities and the higher education in Pakistan but the early education centres neglected by the Pakistan government that are the main hot beds of terrorism funded by the Saudi money?

Re: # 170 sattar2

''but I am not sure what disagreement you are referring to. I did see your post #816 where you rambled incoherently''

i was referring to the interact #807 not 816.Anyway.

arjun, in sattar sahib, you will find a lot of faith, but no logic.

#170 Posted by sattar2 on February 1, 2008 9:09:39 am


It emphatically prescribed belief in One, Absolute God, as opposed to numerous gods represented by 360-odd idols.


didn't the jews beat you to the punch?

Re: # 171
Mr. Hoodbhoy is a miserable pessimist...

Ans: Here goes the story of a broken man in West Bengal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subhash_Mukhopadhyay_%28physician%29

Wh en the existing system is so wrotten, sometimes you loose patience...

Mr. Hoodbhoy is a miserable pessimist. Always a prophet of doom and gloom. I have been listening to him for last 15 years or so and never heard anything positive. I can see his presence in Pakistan and Quaid-i-Azam University has not made any difference to the University Education in Pakistan? I think Prof. Hoodbhoy should once move from his seat and take up the responsibilty of doing something positive to contribute. We shall all be very grateful. Have he ever written any article outlining any positive facts however few they may be???

tahmed,

Viewing the issue from a slightly different angle shows another major weakness in your position.

If Quran wanted to split the inheritance between son and daughter in 1:1 ratio, why did it not say so? Why did it set the ratio at 2:1 instead? What stopped Allah from making a simple statement of 1:1?

Note that Quran took radical stand on several issues: It emphatically prescribed belief in One, Absolute God, as opposed to numerous gods represented by 360-odd idols. This alone upset the social, political, and economic structure of the society. Quran also struck down racial discrimination, which was deeply rooted in the society. Furthermore, on the issue of righteousness, it put women squarely on equal footing with men. These are but a few examples … I hope you get the point.

But on the issue of inheritance, Quran chose to pussy-foot around the issue? Your view remains speculative and unsubstantiated.

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philo (#154);

I viewed the page and the following posts, but I am not sure what disagreement you are referring to. I did see your post #816 where you rambled incoherently. Try to be more specific and coherent this time …

#162 Posted by Urstruly:

Urstruly,

Now you are taking me to be a fool. Sir, I understand all that. The article is very well written and I know what the article says. If you read the article carefully you will note that at times the state/lawmaker etc. has to regulate how the residual (if any) has to be divided (the article clearly and rightly states this, of course it is beyond Mr. Katz's comprehension). Now I am sure that lawmakers must have seiously thought over it and even argued about it and must have come up with different solutions at different times. I am interested in this DEBATE.

Regards.

Re: # 160

"every community has its idiots but the mohammedans have more than their fair share ... as a matter of fact it is hard to find many sane people among the believers - even the best among us suffer from paranoia, schizophrenia and low self-esteem ........"

No, no! please don't do that to yourself. Don't inflict such wounds upon your tender soul.

Peace.

Re: # 159

Please immediately seek professional help...