Pakistan's Universities - Problems and Solutions

Re: # 15

There is nothing like dirty money till you make it within the precincts of law. Afterall, the guy who has had a 'decent graduation' too works for the money, right?

Money out of R&D or a 9-5 job is no different.

Dunno, if quality of life motivates people in wild life studies, photography etc...

The European varsities are in dire need of funds and hence actively soliciting foreign students. This could be the same with the american universities. Rather than spending to build institutions from scratch, why should not the Pakistanis request the western varsities provide education for their students. They could spend the money allotted for higher education towards their fees till a critical mass is reached.

Once you attain the critical mass of intellectual capital, you can always build your own institutions.

The problem with us is, we have not understood the importance of students making mistakes, getting concepts wrong etc...We need everything touchwood and never let the student err and research on what went wrong. His scoring in the exams are the only indicators that would decide the student's fate and this slowly killed the adventurism in the students and led to this decay.

Re: # 17
Money out of R&D
Ans:
This is personal feeling. When you do something, which changes life of millions of people and offers you job satisfaction, it is definitely not dirty money.
People go to gulf for the sake of money only, not for some good quality work or learning.
I had interacted with a person (he is an IITian), who had moved from technical space to management space. When he was telling that he was part of ARPANET project (INTERNET project), I was feeling the sentiment (I was telling about Ticket Reservation Project of Indian Railway).

nkg,

You are far removed from realities. People go to gulf for the sake of money because it will help in their
1. Children's education
2. Marriage
3. Medicare etc...

#13 Posted by tahir on January 27, 2008 9:19:12 pm


There are fundamentalist-terrorists in many countries; let's try and control our own sides first.


Really? how many terrorists from india are in gitmo? how many from the land of the pure?

hardly a week goes by without a terrorist from you-know-where being busted somewhere around the globe..

it's not a coincidence...while india was busy building it's IITs, you all were busy building your jihadi training factories to produce jihadis for your strategic wet dreams



Who sponsored them; certainly not Islam?


You sponsored them..your army and your government...it's your creation...


spare us the platitudes..

#10 Posted by ahmedmadani on January 27, 2008 8:20:05 pm


Arjun you admit Indians are not after knowledge but just dirty money ?


it's not an either or thing..you need knowledge to make money..I'm just disputing the knowledge gained from a masters course...

Most Indian grads, IIT or otherwise, breeze through the masters courses...frankly, unless you do a phd, you can't really say you gained knowledge...

so while the pursuit of money and a career might be anathema to those of the jihadi persuasion i.e. pakis, it's a perfectly legitimate goal...money through knowledge..

Re: # 3

Arjun! Tell me then how come Pakistani scientists or engineers could build Nukes, Missiles, etc.? Is it possible to build them without excellant content in graduates of Pak. Universities.?

Kamath

#23 Posted by Kamath on January 28, 2008 5:49:41 am

It's simple..they didn't. Their missiles were built by the chinese and north koreans..pakis just painted them over..nuclear bombs aren't exactly cutting edge technology.


ask yourself: if the pakis are so good at the missile stuff, why haven't they launched a satellite..why are they reduced to renting out 3rd hand hughes POS satellites and calling them paksat?

#5 Nangapir
Plz tell us more - fill in the juicy bits
whats her name - nationality? How does Dr. Atta know her, etc etc

Re: # 5 "I believe the students should be given practical training to solve the society problem. I would prefer to train a student how to slaughter a chicken hygienically than ask him/her to write a paper that has no relevance to our problems."


That is a very patronising and lop-sided view nangapir - you need a healthy mix for the progress.

Re: # 23 Posted by Kamath on January 28, 2008 5:49:41 am

Kamath sahib,

[how come Pakistani scientists or engineers could build Nukes, Missiles, etc.?] By stealing and chor bazaari. Is that in your equation of excellence?

bubba,

Don't knock chor bazaari; this is how most corporations - IBMs and Intels of the world, function. Knowing what to steal and how to steal it is genuine talent. Don't knock it till you've tried it ...

#28 Posted by sattar2 on January 28, 2008 1:29:56 pm

what has IBM stolen? or intel for that matter?

Re: # 23
Nuke technology in both India and Pakistan are from Western Countries. Indian nuke has its origin in Russia. Paki is from Canada and Sweeden. A Q Khan, who stolen the technology from Western Countries was covetedly ignored by USA.
Regarding defence technology, India is still trying acquire some technology ( LCA, Kaveri Engine, GSLV etc...). Entire Pakistani (so called) technology is from China and North Korea, who in turn has got it from Russia.
A country which can not produce a decent car can not indegenously develop sophisticated technology (whatever you claim).

Re: # 24
I think this is core of Islam. Steal from somebody and claim as owner of it.
Entire Indian mathematics, they claim their own.
Trigonometry, Number System, Grammar,Beejaganita ( which is now known as Alzebra), various forms of equiations and problem solving methods.

#31 Posted by nkg on January 28, 2008 8:08:24 pm

Muslims, a long long time ago, did contribute a lot. Some mo abu-whatever masadi posted about took knowledge from india to europe..all that is commendable...but masadi claims he invented algebra and things that were of indian origin, like the place value system and zero, were actually insignificant..which is funny considering the book he wrote and took to the west was called the hindu numeric system or something like that.