Pervez Hoodbhoy January 27, 2008
#193 Posted by sattar2 on February 4, 2008 8:54:04 am
philo,
OK, I read #807, but fail to see what’s bothering you now.
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Eklavya,
You still seem upset about our previous interact. Sorry, didn’t mean to offend you …
Anyway, do read #182 from your boss (grin) … but feel free to continue kissing his rear. Hey, if it works for you, who am I to argue?
OK, I read #807, but fail to see what’s bothering you now.
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Eklavya,
You still seem upset about our previous interact. Sorry, didn’t mean to offend you …
Anyway, do read #182 from your boss (grin) … but feel free to continue kissing his rear. Hey, if it works for you, who am I to argue?
#194 Posted by einsteinwallah on February 4, 2008 8:16:47 pm
What Pakistan needs is an Institute of Learning Disability and a Commission On Low IQ. The commission will investigate the causes of Low Pakistani IQ. The institute will research new ways to teach advanced topics to dumb people. India should do the same. Both countries need such institutes and commissions. India especially. Because it has a sizable Muslim and low caste population.
#195 Posted by nkg on February 7, 2008 6:52:03 pm
Re: # 194
I Indian context...
Low caste does not mean low in IQ. The culture of using brain more for constructive purpose has to be culminated ( a typical boy/girl in middle class Brahmin family will start the morning with books and that continues until the boy/girl go to bed. In between take bath, play, go to school, take food etc...). I have couple of friends from reserved community.Just for lack of awareness and guidence (family culture), they had failed to produce proper result in exams. For moslems, we need to keep away islam out off the person.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VW3abjIUgQ
This poetry I have read in my school days.
I Indian context...
Low caste does not mean low in IQ. The culture of using brain more for constructive purpose has to be culminated ( a typical boy/girl in middle class Brahmin family will start the morning with books and that continues until the boy/girl go to bed. In between take bath, play, go to school, take food etc...). I have couple of friends from reserved community.Just for lack of awareness and guidence (family culture), they had failed to produce proper result in exams. For moslems, we need to keep away islam out off the person.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VW3abjIUgQ
This poetry I have read in my school days.
#196 Posted by saadya on April 7, 2008 2:50:35 am
In my opinion HEC is just increasing the number of PhDs .As now in all universities here in Pakistan the promotion of teachers is dependent on having the PhD degree.Therefore there is a race to get it.Emphasis is not on quality but on just getting a piece of paper to claim qualification.This kind of environment is forcing others also to follow the foot steps of seniors .As no body wants to be left behind .
Plus the monetary benefits associated with all research programs is a big attraction .Due to this all who have no job yet are taking admissions to enroll for PhD and M.Phil programs.
Plus the monetary benefits associated with all research programs is a big attraction .Due to this all who have no job yet are taking admissions to enroll for PhD and M.Phil programs.
#197 Posted by saadya on April 7, 2008 2:56:30 am
It doesnt mean that we have less intelligent people here but the point is promotion of wrong culture.
The culture of promoting importance of degrees is not healthy for a nation .If it has to stand on firm grounds.
Any ways there are people who are sincere to their goal .They are genuinely interested in doing reasearch & they are also getting benefit from HEC policies.So I cant totally ignore their efforts .
The culture of promoting importance of degrees is not healthy for a nation .If it has to stand on firm grounds.
Any ways there are people who are sincere to their goal .They are genuinely interested in doing reasearch & they are also getting benefit from HEC policies.So I cant totally ignore their efforts .
#198 Posted by qaiser00 on May 16, 2008 1:06:18 am
They say about computers - garbage in garbage out; and same goes for the systems, such as educational system in Pakistan. What Pervez highlighted in his articles was stating the obvious. Actually, Pervez did not say any thing about the root cause: a student, almost by default, would refer to the text book if that's what the student did through out his/her academic years. There are no text books taught from class zero in developed countries' qualification frameworks! Also, what is obvious from the Pervez articles the fact that no one can bring reforms without 'people' - right people. What HEC or anyone for that matter can do to improve things in the education sector of Pakistan other than utlising what any body can access in Pakistan with regards to human resources. Bringning alien teachers will not solve the problem unless the aliens are brough just about on every level - elementary to the higher level.
I do not want to take the credit of good work away from the HEC personnel. They have doen many good things but the results are only representative of the community they are dealing with.
Did any one ever notice what happened to the matric pass students many years ago who could not get admission in any tertiary college due to poor marks? Well they all went to to do PTC course followed by a CT course and starting teaching to whom there was any glimmer of hope - our children!!!
Anyways, I personally think where Pervez has been really good in outlining the ussue, especially with regards to the research publications, he was equally harsh rather diverting the issue politically and getting no where eventually. I am sure that the days will come when our Ph. D. scholars will learn to research and publish original work Insha Allah.
I do not want to take the credit of good work away from the HEC personnel. They have doen many good things but the results are only representative of the community they are dealing with.
Did any one ever notice what happened to the matric pass students many years ago who could not get admission in any tertiary college due to poor marks? Well they all went to to do PTC course followed by a CT course and starting teaching to whom there was any glimmer of hope - our children!!!
Anyways, I personally think where Pervez has been really good in outlining the ussue, especially with regards to the research publications, he was equally harsh rather diverting the issue politically and getting no where eventually. I am sure that the days will come when our Ph. D. scholars will learn to research and publish original work Insha Allah.
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