Pakistan's Universities - Problems and Solutions

sattar: In #91, it is the "how" I am proposing, not (as you assume) the "what" with respect to issues of inheritance.

tahmed32 I understand your concern, but as a few others have pointed out, contextualizing leads to numerous problems.
The problem with Pakistan is that the best minds have set their eyes on lucrative professions such as engineering, law, IT etc. and not many intelligent people study the traditional Islamic sciences. As a result we are short of spokesmen for traditional Islam .. add to this the mallah culture and you have a serious problem on your hands. In this situation people with very shoddy credentials are taken as experts and their understanding is not sound. One can only hope that more of our educated class will get involved in traditional ISlamic education and convey to the generations to come the soundness of that understanding.

This obsession with reform is really misplaced. In the west scholars like Hamza Yusuf, Abdal Hakim Murad, Dr Umar Faruq, Abdullah Bin Bayyah etc. have been able to make such a huge impact. If you are interested check out my blog where I have
excellent links. You will find your questions answered there.

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Also, the law works as a system, not individual laws applied in a vacuum. Each law is applied with reference to other laws. It is the responsibility of the man to provide for his family according to Islamic law.So first eliminate this Islamic practise based on the modern consition that women work too, so a man is not respnsible for running the house .. but this is ISlamically and culturally impossible .. so if you start dishing out equal shares to your children, you are being unfair.

As far as wills are concerned, as a last resort even in traditional sunni Islam you can give all your money to one child - it is not recommended - but I gather it is allowed. So if the situation is that bad ad your sons have forsaken you (aalaa Baghban isstyle) then you can bar them from your money by giving it to your daughter before you die.

And Allah knows best.

Re: # 99

mecca math

.... muslims might have invented algebra and the vacum cleaner, but it is evident that mo of mecca couldn't do simple arithmetic ..... i know, i know, he was an ummi who never went to school, but that is no excuse for a man who talked to winged angels and flew on winged horses :

here is what a good christian mathmetician at liberty university came up with:


(Koran 4:11)
Allah directs you as regards your children's
(Inheritance): to the male a portion equal to
that of two females: if only daughters, two or
more, Their share is two-thirds of the inheritance;
if only one, her, share is a half.
For parents, a sixth share of the inheritance to
each, if the deceased left children; if no
children, and the parents are the heirs, the
mother has a third; if the deceased left brothers
the mother has a sixth...

(Koran 4:12)
In what your wives leave, your share is a half,
if they leave no child; but if they leave a child,
ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and
debts. In what ye leave, their share is a fourth,
If ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they
get an eighth; after payment.

(Koran 4:176)
...If it is a man that dies, leaving a sister
but no child, she shall have half the inheritance:
If a woman dies and leaves no child, her brother
takes her inheritance: If there are two sisters,
they shall have two-thirds of the inheritance.
If there are brothers and sisters, the male takes
twice the share of the female.

Let us suppose that a man dies and leaves behind three daughters, two parents and his wife. According to the verses stated above the three daughters together will receive 2/3 of the share, the parents will receive 1/3 of the share and the wife will receive 1/8 of the share.

Do the math once again: 2/3 + 1/3 + 1/8 = 9/8 = 1.125. The distribution of the property adds up to more than the available property! How can this distribution be possible? Once again Mohammed displays his inability to add. Well, if a person can't add integers then it is unprobable that he would know how to add fractions.

Another example: A man dies and leaves behind his mother, his wife and two sisters. According to what Mohammed has stated in Koran 4:11-12 and 4:176 the mother will receive 1/3 of the property, the wife will receive 1/4 of the property and the sisters will receive 2/3 of the property.

Let us add up the fractions again: 1/3 + 2/3 + 1/4 = 5/4 = 1.25 and once again it adds up to more than the available property.

........... so, a good muslim can give away a buck and a quarter even though you only have a buck .......that beats the heck out of turning water into wine ..... subhanallah ! ... or, should i say, "verily, we are doomed"

Re: # 73
silly african americans who are anxious to prove that the ancient egyptians were negroes, or get all excited over their ancestor who invented the tooth pick,

Ans: That is correct.

Re: # 56
Each time you say Algorithm or Algebra you are talking about my man Khwarizmi.

Ans: Does that implies, this guy was the origin of the knowledge. Modern world has nice system of patenting. If, India had petented its mathematical knowledge base. It would have the richest country in the world ( number system will fetch money from each piece of computer - both H/W and S/W).

Re: # 100 Hamidm Sahib,
The wife's share is one-eighth of what the man leaves (since, in your example, there are children). That is what the second verse you cited seems to be saying.

Now, of the remaining seven-eighth, the parent's share is a third (i.e. 7/24 of the original estate). The remaining 2/3 of the seven-eights is divided equally amongst the 3 daughters (each gets 7/36 of the original estate).

(1/8) + (7/24) + 3(7/36)
= (1/8) + (7/24) + (7/12)
=(3 + 7 + 14)/24
= 24/24
= 1

Hope it helps your friend from "Liberty" University.

Re: # 70
Our culture is dying, a culture which was full of beauty,wisdom, mercy, magnanimity, love, and patience

Ans: That was demonstrated during 1947 partition.
Poet and art you can not create with formula or training. It is inspired by nature and the sensibility of a person. The more we ( mankind as a whole) are destroying nature, all these will go. Govt. have very little to do with it.

#103 Posted by viqarm on January 30, 2008 7:13:19 pm

I know algebra and that shit ain't algebra...

Re: # 98

"One can only hope that more of our educated class will get involved in traditional Islamic education and convey to the generations to come the soundness of that understanding."

That is already being done by the 'moderate' muslims- while justifying algebra as a consequence of Quran.

This "Quranic Foundationalism" is the source of currents ills. What we need is a group of Anti-Foundationalist thought amongst 'moderate' muslims which seeks to go beyond re-interpreting wife beatings in Quran as 'mild pecking on the cheek'.
We need something more than a watered down version of mullah Islam that rejects TNT and proclaims 'equity' of idolators and mushriqs and munafiqoons in all matters.

we need an Islam that stops terrorizing idolators with horrible violence .

we need Islam that does not proclaim the 'superiority' by shouting Allahu and brandishing sword all the time.

we need Islam that does not bad mouth idolators and kafirs.

we need an Islam that is shorn of hatred towards jews, christians, mushriqs and munafiqoons.

that is the Islam that is acceptable to the modern world- if 'moderate' muslims can spin such an 'Islam' then it is acceptable to the modern world otherwise we are all on the collision course!!!

Imam Hamza Yusuf talks about shababiya and bad mouths other cultural notions of man's life path.
Does he know that this Islamic notion is because Mohammad was a hen pecked husband of a strong independent pagan woman till she died when he was 40 plus.
That , Mohammad went berserk after that and became a woman subduer and a tyrant - that is when he embarked upon the career of murder, loots, rapes and all horrible things in this world!!
This eulogizing and idolizing Mohammad's actions is the cause of current woes.
Mullahs want modern day muslims to be like Mohammad - living off an elderly woman's business and living as a toy boy till 40 plus - and then turning into terrible demons after 40.

"And by our nature we do make things. Islamic technology would be very humane. To serve people as opposed to the opposite."

Imam Hamza Yusuf talks about "Islamic technology" as if it is something out of Quran !!

I am amused!!

Re: # 107

Dear Laddu,

Such a sweet name, and so much bitterness?

Please don't misuse this forum to make anti-Islam demands. What is revealed must be understood and followed. Contrary to popular western beilef, Quran is not the creation of a man.

First thoroughly read your own scriptures which have strong hints of monotheism, anti-usury laws, plenty of good etc. Before I read the Quran, I read all your sacred texts, even Buddhist ones!

Read Dr. Muhammad Asad's Quran translation. Like most Muslims who beleive the mullah instead of reading, comparing and researching, you will be surprised that many things that you accuse Muslims of are either not in the Quran or exist in dubious Hadith literature.

As you desire, name the place and we can meet one day God willing.

Regards.

What gems from this 'moderate' guy-
"Improving ones standard of living has become an idol whereas I think Islam lowers your standard of living. You become content with less. When the Prophet’s (pbuh) wife put a cushion in his bed he got upset. He consciously lowered his standard of living."

it is amazing! Tomorrow we are going to see donkeys on the streets as the best viable green and energy efficient source of transportation.

Re: # 110
Contrary to popular western beilef, Quran is not the creation of a man

Ans: So, from where it has appeared?