Bullhe Shah and His Veil of “Meem�

laddu and arjun mian,

congratulations ! .... how come you two didn't invite me ?

Some 3,000 villagers have attended an elaborate Hindu wedding ceremony in eastern India for two monkeys.
The "bride" was dressed in a five-metre long sari and decked in flowers. The ceremony took place last Thursday in Ghanteswara village in Orissa state.

The guests were served a feast of rice, lentils, vegetables, fish and sweets.

tahmed,

..... you might have missed cheema sahib's post..... he provides some really good pointers that you can use in your mission to reinvent islam .....it seems that zeemax has been using this aprroach with some success and is now at #14 with me ..........here they are .... use them in good health and may the moon god be with you :

1. A popular question is "why islam calls for death of Islamic critics and apostates". Insist that their info is false. Quote aya "to you your religion and to me my religion".

2. To answer "Islam spread with sword", say that it is a big lie spread by the jews and hindus and that quran clearly says " there is no compulsion in religion".

3. If some one quotes violent ayas from Koran, accuse him of quoting ayas in bits and pieces and cherry picking .

4. If he then quotes full ayas and ayas before and after, than insist that the translation is wrong.

5. If he brings ten different translations than say correct meanings can be understood only by reading Quran in Arabic.

6. If he happens to be well versed in Arabic language than insist that those ayas don't mean what they appear to mean as they have allegorical meanings.

7. If he is adamant, than say you cannot understand those ayas and it's context without reading hadith and sira.

8.. If he shows up with the hadiths and siras in hand and quotes the context of the violent ayas by referring to hadiths of prophet's rapes, robberies , assassinations and genocides then insist that "all hadiths and siras are heresay and are false, and only truth is in quran.

9. If he says Quran is a man made document and wants proof of it's divinity then refer to the sciences in Quran and the book written by Dr. Bucaile confirming the sciences in our holy book. You can also quote that Mahatama Gandhi read Quran daily and also spoke highly of it.

10. If he says that Bucaile was on Saudi payroll and that nor he nor Gandhi ever changed their religions and that Bucaile was challenged and proven wrong by many experts then challenge him to ask his experts to debate islamists like Zakir Naik..

11. If the pests still hangs around then change the topic and find faults in other religions and their books.

12. If he continues on then use personal attacks and insult him by calling him a jewish a- hole , a Chinese pig or a hindu dog .

13. If that does not frustrate him, then ask him how much he is being paid by jews to throw dirt on Al Islam.

14. If he still does not stop then run for his mother and sister and use very filthy language.

15. If he is very stubborn and wants to continue, then curse him like "Burn in hell, you will repent on last day, Allah will get you in your grave" etc

16. When all of the above has failed, threaten him with bodily harm and end the debate by drum beating and announcing that you won the debate hands down because Koran is the word of allah.

17. If possible anounce about this debate in an islamist website and that you had won it handily. Such announcements do wonders for the iman of muslim website readers and for dawah operations in prisons to convince low IQ prisoners of the truth of Al Islam.

Hey, muslims are all muddled up about "allegiance" business.

First, muslims have "allegiance" to a piece of land called Saudi Arabia-
Second, they bow down daily 5 times to that direction ,

Third, they try to act like shheikhs from Arabic land.

Fourth, they have life long desire to go to hajj to Mecca.

Talk about allegiance!!

#240 mahfari " allegiance of a Muslim is to ideas not to forefathers or to customs!"

True. But why only muslims? They say small minds discuss people, while big minds discuss ideas. Similarly, small minds stick like velcro to custom, big minds stick like velcro to well-grounded principles.

akcheema,

All religions ar a big BS.

The emrgence of nation states created a new breed of ideology i.e. political Islam/Hinsduism/Christianity etc.' I dont know how we can counter it. Even commoners take-up this thinking as something equal to upholding religion.

My new roommate - a Pakistani who doesnt take a point that sounds critical as normal. He threatens that I am lucky to be in a western country otherwise, 'Pakistan mein hum qatl karte hain...koi case nahin'.

There're no words like critique, criticism in their lexicon. There're only 2 things i.e qubool or khilaaf.

Religions are making animals outta humans.

#229 dost mittar: "OBL's interpretation of the Quranic message is as valid as that of the Mufti of Al Azhar or of Massadi or your own. "

True. You are free to believe what you like.

BUT..you are not free to break laws (e.g. commit terrorist acts like those of 9/11) because of your beliefs. Thus - Quran gives every individual the right to self-defense. And what are criminal laws if not collective self-defense exercised by society against criminals (including terrrorists).

mahfari, I did read tara chand's book but couldn't find anything reflecting your views in there.

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laddu, are you a fan of asghar ali engineer, yoginder sikhandi, some guy with a name like jootonwaala, and such, gang?

Vefily, these sufis have messed you up big time.

mahfari ki jai ho. :)

Re: # 226 Dear Laddu you have very old problem of changing the every topicunder earth to Islam bashing and barking like a mad --- to fight with Muslims.Your Karma is in age of Kaljug, so you can not have peace of soul and also of heart it si curse4 of Bhagwan by your own choice!

As to saying about Hindus it mean staht first understand and then question. You are measuring eevry thing by Hindu standards and denying reason and always twsiting the facts.

Grow up and leave cut and paste , I have many tiems asked you to first read Dr Tara Chand's Influence of Islam on Hinduism and then talk, but alas except abuse you have notlearnt any thing in life!

First know your enemy and then differ and differ with dignity not with abuse, be on footstepsof Ram do,nt try to be Rawan!

Re: # 231 Three fundamental basics there is only one God, life after death and belief in fianlity of Prophet Muhamamd peace be upon him makes one Muslim.As to matetrsof heart Allah knows betterand it si not like Hinduism if you worship onebillion gods you are alsoHindu and even if you are atheist even then you are Hindu.

Re: # 230 Well done very nice response,you are a great social scientists that seeing a sub-culture and people living away from theri own societies trying to preserve theri own persoanl understanding of religion and ideas as a substitute to over 1.2 billion Muslims in world .

Very ncie observation!


Read the interact and asnwer the questions and Australia and UK are not land of majority Muslims.

grow up man!

Re: # 235
well said but you yourself also moving on the same path mere under the arrogance of being different and worshipping religion of science as a new God? Iws,nt it so?

Re: # 238 Dear allegiance of a Muslim is to ideas not to forefathers or to customs!

#236 Posted by dost_mittar,

Yeah he had said hindus were 'Dharti Dharmis'.

“Hindu is attached to the land while the Muslim is attached to his religion�

Muslim is attached to a “foreign religion�… that makes him less attached to the land, culture and customs….of his forefathers..

This dual allegiance .. make leaves a muslim little confused…

And when a murtid punk like akcheema is asked how come he's willing to believe Abraham sacrificed his sons because the scriptures say so, but at the same time not willing to believe he was 90+ because the same scriptures say so - then start googling for something to avoid having to answer or write some inane stuff about personal eating habits.

eklavya#186:

"This kind of irrational attachment to land is nothing but the product of a particular way of thinking"

Our friend echoboom once said that the Hindu is attached to the land while the Muslim is attached to his religion. I think that he was on to something.

I haven't read the interact on Bhera (it's too long) but can relate to the feelings expressed there. Many chowkies will recall my own series of my nostalgic visit to my place of birth.

Bhera, apparently, did not have a very good repuation in the surrounding districts on Punjab. My mother used to quote an old saying,

Pind bhera tay miyani, hatth laguni tay jaani
(you only know how dangerous bhera people are once you come in close contact with them)
But that did not prevent my mother from getting her daughters-in-law from a Bhera background; their womenfolk are feisty but also quite beautiful.