Bullhe Shah and His Veil of “Meem”

Re: # 120

No he's the wrong face. Hindu scriptures are not what he utters. Pray for him to become mentally 'pawittar'.

There are quite a few men alive today who love insulting the deceased prophets.

Re: # 119

Leaving us so soon? Dinner was just about ready!

"I for one don't doubt, at least in the initial phases of its development, the sincerity of Jesus or Mohammed for that matter in trying to define a "meaning" in this life."

Mohammad did connect with divine in his 40 days of seclusion - infact a lot of sufis and sadhus who indertake such sadhanas do connect.
but some of them get frightened by the gradual annihilation of the ego that they run away from that and become fallen from sadhana.
Such people more often turn into ego re-affirming actions like senseless violence, rape and banditry in affirming their connection to divine.
These are the fallen sadhakas and turn into bhrasht Rakshasas - that is exactly what happened to Mohammad later.

Mohammad could never accept the fact that path to god is annihilation of ego - scared at the prospect of his ego dissolution he remained covered in the veil of "meem" and acted violently that re-affirmed his ego as a "prophet" that is superior to other humans.

laddu is the true face of hinduism---never ever come across anyone with as much hatred of the prophet as him.

The case for or against the existence of a "Supreme Prime Mover" has nothing to do with dogmatic religion. Like a lot of other unnecessary "necessities" in life, religion has become one; the only litmus test is to look at people not raised in the religious framework and study the impact; there is not the slightest suggestion that they turn out to be evil. In fact quite the opposite. It is very much, in evolutionary terms, an acquired taste! In the olden days, it gave people a sense of community and perhaps same is true now.

Besides, if a child feels consoled by the imaginary presence of some false fairytale character, a figment of its vivid imagination, that alone doesn't make the presence of such character true. I think it is much better to get paid professional help if one is feeling down; it keeps it much safer for the rest of us!

I for one don't doubt, at least in the initial phases of its development, the sincerity of Jesus or Mohammed for that matter in trying to define a "meaning" in this life. However, I fail to recognise their individual authority on the subject and certainly doubt that the later events were necessarily pre-envisaged by either one of them. I certainly have no problems critiquing either one (or others for that matter). However, I think much has been made out of nothing in regards to all this rubbish about interpretations, hidden meanings, infallibility of scripture and similar concepts. Just take them at face value and above all, if you believe in a certain fairytale to be true, use it for your personal consolence, if it helps, but don't expect the rest of us to just swallow it based on YOUR convictions. Certainly not in the shape of, for example, legal codes for countries affecting the lives (usually adversely) of millions and turning them in to "submissive" to the WILL of something supernatural, which as would appear from the discussions in the last day or so, remains very poorly defined!

Many thanks for your company guys; for now I shall take your leave as "Kaar-e-jahan daraaz hai...". I enjoyed it immensely and certainly appreciate your input.

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Re: # 116

Hmm....

You have a greater understanding my friend than these Arabic wannabes indeed.

I have said already - reject Mohammad - accept Allah. That is the way to divine connection- Mohammad although talks about way to Allah - he just takes every one away from Allah in reality!!

Its not I with the baggage my friend! "Faith" by definition is blind but looks like this "blindness" is more of the mind of the beholder; i.e., one's thinking faculties; they get overridden by the control by some sky fairy in case of the evil of mono-theism. It appears some of the guys haven't read earlier discussions on this and seem to confuse the concept of cultural solidarity with "a desire to re-visit" some contract with "the divine". I never signed any contracts with any unseen, unheard, unproven and logically impossible sky fairies and sure have nothing to re-visit!

I thought it important to get this out of the way.

Regarding Mohammed Asad and his translation; are we saying that after centuries of confusion, warfare and human sacrifices on all sides, suddenly in twentieth century an orientalist convert translates ancient myths into english and this is the moment we were waiting for! Now suddenly we are to be "liberated" because the "code has finally been decoded". Doesn't appear logical at all.

As far as sky fairies and mind control, if someone claims that today independent of being part of a "faith-group", we all know we would have serious concerns about their mental health. However, if people in droves do the same, we have historically considered it a virtue and respect it as "their faith". It seems there is sanity in numbers!

Since you so eulogize this Arab wannabe guy Asad- give me a link to a tranlation of his bookk "Road to Mecca" plz.

Re: # 106

Supporting CHEEMA?!?!?

Rabbani, Rabbani...what does the name Rabb-ani mean? How men seldom live up to the qualities of their names...

Peace

Re: # 109

Tahir ji,

I know my Quran well enough - and I know my shahi Hadiths as well.
You mean there is something new in Asad's translation of Al Anfal?? How is Asad's tafsir giving different interpretation of what to do with modern day idolators??

"...AL-ANFAL

SURAH

hearts of those who are bent on denying the truth; strike, then, their necks, [O believers,] and strike off every one of their finger-tips!"''s

(13) This, because they have cut themselves off from '6 God and His Apostle: and as for him who cuts himself off from God and His Apostle - verily, God is severe in retribution. (14) This [for you, O enemies of God]! Taste it, then, [and know] that suffering through fire awaits those who deny the truth!

(15) O YOU who have attained to faith! When you meet in battle those who are bent on denying the truth, advancing in great force, do not turn your backs on them:" (16) for, whoever on that day turns his back on them-unless it be in a battle manoeuvre or in an endeavour to join another troop [of the believers] - shall indeed have earned the burden of God's condemnation, and his goal shall be hell: and how vile a journey's end!

(17) And yet, [O believers,] it was not you who slew the enemy,'$ but it was God who slew them; and it was not thou who cast [terror into them, O Prophet], when thou didst cast it, but it was God who cast it:'9 and [He did all this] in order that He might test the believers by a goodly test of His Own or..."

what is new in this translation?? How is it different?

Re: # 99

Manson! That explains away YOU my friend!

Start counting the 99 attributes of Manson now: I mean NOW!

Peace (in your little cubicle)

Re: # 87
An Aussie from NWFP. Vow!

The initial Quranic lessons strengthen faith in ONE God (concept of tauheed). The later half gets you into specifics and details like conduct during active struggle, what to uphold, what to resist, family law ammendments etc.

If you're struggling with the bascis at age... (whatever the age!); please stop chasing after Australian currency and get down to reading The Book.

Peace.

Re: # 83
I can't wait for a distorted Tafseer from you! Please consult with your near US-authorised eye-surgeon.
Peace.

Re: # 80
Read Muhammad Asad's translation; you will feel liberated. You're carrying a lot of excess baggage my friend!
Peace.

Re: # 74
"Not even if the charlatan claiming divinity is a paedophile , rapist and a Bandit?"

A good description of yourself, finally...

Shanti