Bullhe Shah and His Veil of “Meem”

Re: # 306

zeemax,

.... you fool! .... if i had a son (which luckily i don't, since he might have grown up to be like you) i would have had him circumcised even though i don't believe in it ..... why? ... because a) most boys in america are and i wouldn't want my son to be embarassed in the locker room with silly questions about his pee-pee and b) because it would have made my parents happy ...... when my kids were born i did not bother to bellow the azan into their ear and my parents knew it ... so when they went to pakistan for their first visit they made sure the girls heard the moon god's call to prayer and then promptly sacrificed a black bakra ...... i appreciated the festivities even though i felt sorry for the bakra ..... i am happy to report that the azan did not do any permanent damage .. alhamdolillah ......

#308 is a question?

Re: # 309

I'd be delighted mate. I don't have anything against the poor pig! He is "god's" creation afterall!

#309 Posted by hamidm2,

Great hamidm2. Teach this idiot to become a true and good cultural Muslim. Water carriers and flag bearers are always required ...

Re: # 307

By the way, I can recite Iqbal to you back to front matey! so don't even try. Answer the question put to you in 308

akcheema sahib,

..... as a 'cultural' muslim myself, let me assure you that it is very easy to do even though you loose some 'friends' along the way since they cannot come to your house because the palit pooch insists on jumping on their lap ... good riddance to bad rubbish, i say ......

.... being a cltural muslim is easy - eat biryani, talk in urdu, say 'alhamdolillah' when somebody sneezes or 'mashallah' when somebody farts, put on your pajamas twice a year and hand out money to kids ........ that's all it takes ..

.... but, your cultural affiliation will end with you ..... forget about your kids being cultural muslims - they will grow up to be like their heathen friends even though they like to eat biryani once in a while and sometimes say things like 'the snow is piggling outside' ......

Re: # 306

I only said they looked like your mate from the heavens. How did you know HE was circumcised!? Now now... I didn't think you were into that sort of thing Zeemax! Are we coming out of the closet here!

In any event, read the following and try to get what Allama Iqbal is saying.

This is the world view Muslims have. Everything else follows:

Bar tar az andesha-e-sood-O-ziyaan hay Zindagi
Hay kabhi Jaan aur kabhi tasleem-e-jaan hay Zindagi

Tu issay Paimaana-e-Imroz-O-fardaa say naa naap
Javedaan, Pehamm dawaan, Har damm jawaan hay Zindagi

Apni dunyaa aap peda kar agar zindoun main hay
Siir-e-Adam hay, zameer-e-kun fikaan hay Zindagi

Zindagaani ki haqeeqat Koh-kunn kay dil say pooch
Joo-e-sher-O-teesha-O-sang-e-giraan hay Zindagi

Bandagi main ghatt kay reh jaati hay ik joo-e-kamm aab
aur aazaadi main behr-e-bay karaan hay Zindagi

Aashkaaraa hay yeh apni quwwat-e-taskheer say
garchay ik mitti kay paikar main nihaan hay Zindagi

Qulzum-e-Hasti say Ubhraa hay tu maanind-e-Hubaab
Iss ziyaan khaanay main teraa imtehaan hay Zindagi

If you still have questions, put them in bullet points instead of long-winded rhetoric, and I'll answer them.

akcheema,

Hmm .. ok. So I have my answer. Since they are then they do have a religious identity and you're a liar and a hypocrite.

Listen. There're more senior apostates than you here who have proudly announced publicly on this site that there sons are NOT circumcised. Now that's courage of conviction which you never mustered.

Re: # 304

Come to think of it, their d...s look exactly the same as god's (take it HE is a HE); so must be....I remember a "first cousin" using the words "mirror image"...

#303 Posted by akcheema,

Answer the question. I repeat. Are your son/s circumcised?

Re: # 302

Whatever makes you happy my friend. The question, as I said, are unanswerable, not because they are clever but because of a lack of clear evidence of this god character you keep mentioning; or is he called allah now (may as well as the Pakistanis have gradually replaced Khuda Hafiz - centuries of persian connection with India, with Allah Hafiz - to appease their true masters I wonder?).

Why are you so intent on defending this god's honour? If he has any balls shouldn't he be fighting his own battles?

akcheema,

You said earlier " I have been a non-believer since I was 14/15 and never had time for the religious claptrap" ... so what answers do you want from me?

Aaap ka bachpan ka shauq hai ... ham kya kar saktey hain!

BTW nice to know you raise your children without any religious identity. Any sons? If yes, are they circumcised?

Re: # 300

Thanks; I really appreciate it. You are a decent human being Eklavya and a true student of knowledge, from what I have seen.

I am glad, and grateful, you didn't take that personally, but understood it as a purely 'general' argument.

You know, the HARDEST and by far the stupidest arguments to deal with are of the kind: "but me and my parents are not like that..."

So thanks for not taking that route. And so long as one is aware of the possibilities, one is obviously free to make any choices.

That is the best any of us can do, and sincere best wishes with your children, whatever you may want for them.

Re: # 297

Well said Eklavya, I am aware of this. I raise my children without any religious identity and if they choose to do stupid things on growing up, nothing I can do.

There is a slight distinction between culture and religion I think, you might disagree. That is why I mentioned "ethnic" for want of a better word really. Its obviously not an inherited trait as you know. I do talk to them about their thoughts on the subject, especially around Eid/Christmas etc; my 7 year old, presumably after hearing the story of "baby jesus" from a school pal came up to me and said that this whole story doesn't make any sense. I was intrigued so let her carry on. Then she asked me if there was a god to which my reply was that I didn't know. Then she said that if "someone" had made the universe, it would have been different to what it is now; in the sense that there shouldn't be any pain and suffering around. She even referred to parents loving their children, and if god was there and capable of doing something (which obviously he is meant to be), why would he not look after the poor, homeless, sick and needy. (These are the thoughts of a seven year old so guys please don't start writing in "refuting" anything; I, hereby, exempt Zeemax from this injunction!)

I try to let them develop their own thoughts rather than indoctrinating them into anything, including my own views. Its important to allow them to develop the "ability to think" without telling them "what to think".

I hope that addresses your concerns about my next generations turning out to be suicide bombers!