Mohammad Gill February 4, 2008
#283 Posted by laddu on February 26, 2008 1:23:15 pm
Re: # 280
This is no lying. This is Exactly, the reverse-taquiyya that muslims cannot notice when they read the veiled kufr of the Sufis - much like the veil of "meem"/Maya.
This is no lying. This is Exactly, the reverse-taquiyya that muslims cannot notice when they read the veiled kufr of the Sufis - much like the veil of "meem"/Maya.
#282 Posted by laddu on February 26, 2008 1:05:03 pm
Re: # 278
"The true aim of Islam is to purify the human heart and soul by means of the Path [tariqat/sufism] using the methodology of Shariah to enable one to experience the Divine whilst still alive. That is the secret behind the (seemingly) difficult rules of Shariah--they are a means --THE means--of purification of the self."
The "Ashtanga-Marga" or Eight Fold Path of Yoga that is accepted in Samkhya-Yoga Marga along with Sanyaas-Dharma or accepting Order of Renunciation is the most prescribed way in the Hindu religion to "purify" the Jiva or Human being from ignorance of reality or "Haqiqath.
There is nothing in the Sunnat that can "purify" one's heart . Only the 40 day Ramadam fasting with the Dhikr of Allah is beneficial- but these practices were all part of pre-Islamic Jahaliyat that Mohammad adapted in his Islam.
Purification of heart is done in Buddhist meditational practices in such a fantastic and scientific manner that only those who have practiced can experience the divinity of it.
And Jainism provides the most sophisticated of path /Marga through its systems of Anu-Vrta (Micro-fastings) and Higher Vrtas which go upto 14 days without water fastings in seclusion.
You have NO idea of the beauty of other paths because you would remain fixated by the fear of mullah's blood thirsty Allah that one gets overwhelmed by once you accept Sunnat.
So, reject Sunnat and explore other paths if you want to achieve the path of purification of heart!!
"The true aim of Islam is to purify the human heart and soul by means of the Path [tariqat/sufism] using the methodology of Shariah to enable one to experience the Divine whilst still alive. That is the secret behind the (seemingly) difficult rules of Shariah--they are a means --THE means--of purification of the self."
The "Ashtanga-Marga" or Eight Fold Path of Yoga that is accepted in Samkhya-Yoga Marga along with Sanyaas-Dharma or accepting Order of Renunciation is the most prescribed way in the Hindu religion to "purify" the Jiva or Human being from ignorance of reality or "Haqiqath.
There is nothing in the Sunnat that can "purify" one's heart . Only the 40 day Ramadam fasting with the Dhikr of Allah is beneficial- but these practices were all part of pre-Islamic Jahaliyat that Mohammad adapted in his Islam.
Purification of heart is done in Buddhist meditational practices in such a fantastic and scientific manner that only those who have practiced can experience the divinity of it.
And Jainism provides the most sophisticated of path /Marga through its systems of Anu-Vrta (Micro-fastings) and Higher Vrtas which go upto 14 days without water fastings in seclusion.
You have NO idea of the beauty of other paths because you would remain fixated by the fear of mullah's blood thirsty Allah that one gets overwhelmed by once you accept Sunnat.
So, reject Sunnat and explore other paths if you want to achieve the path of purification of heart!!
#281 Posted by Urstruly on February 26, 2008 12:57:48 pm
Unfortunately, I have never understood the concept of spirituality. I think it is nothing more than a state of mind which is created by the process of auto-suggestion. I think that God is Absolutely indifferent and we are at His mercy absolutely. I think people get hurt just to become an example for others and people are rewarded or blessed for the same reason. We must pass the tests every step of of the way to save ourselves from fire. I don't think there is anything more to it - in bigger scheme of things. We are absolutely insignificant.
#280 Posted by Naqshbandi on February 26, 2008 12:57:47 pm
btw i wasn't playing with words, i was pointing out to others your deliberate misquoting of Ibn Arabi to make your point--i.e. your lying.
#279 Posted by Naqshbandi on February 26, 2008 12:45:08 pm
which makes the heart like a polished mirror which then reflects and becomes an abode of The Divine.
#278 Posted by Naqshbandi on February 26, 2008 12:43:39 pm
because only a spiritually purified heart and soul can experience the Divine truly and the greatest disease of the heart and soul is unbelief [kufr]. The true aim of Islam is to purify the human heart and soul by means of the Path [tariqat/sufism] using the methodology of Shariah to enable one to experience the Divine whilst still alive. That is the secret behind the (seemingly) difficult rules of Shariah--they are a means --THE means--of purification of the self.
#277 Posted by Naqshbandi on February 26, 2008 12:38:59 pm
laddu,
i mean exactly that the states of consciousness achieved by non muslim ascetics by means of hardships which kill their Ego (nafs) do not benefit them in the sense of bringing them closer to Allah rather it brings them closer to Satan who gives them 'experiences' which they BELIEVE to be from the Divine but are actually from Satan.
Because sainthood is the highest achievable spiritual state and the lowest is to have imaan so how can someone achieve the highest without even the lowest?!
i mean exactly that the states of consciousness achieved by non muslim ascetics by means of hardships which kill their Ego (nafs) do not benefit them in the sense of bringing them closer to Allah rather it brings them closer to Satan who gives them 'experiences' which they BELIEVE to be from the Divine but are actually from Satan.
Because sainthood is the highest achievable spiritual state and the lowest is to have imaan so how can someone achieve the highest without even the lowest?!
#276 Posted by laddu on February 26, 2008 12:23:18 pm
Re: # 273
"Shaykh al Akbar Ibn Arabi actually said, "The walayah of a Prophet is greater than his Prophethood" and NOT that every wali is greater than a Prophet!"
Naqshu,
Why are you playing with words. You say "..you have to believe in Islam to be a saint and have divinely inspired spiritual states as opposed to satanically inspired ones.".
Do you that mean that the "elevated states of conscious" of non-muslim ascetics would become "divinely" inspired just because they utter that stupid kalima?
You mean utterance of Kalima transforms the state of bliss from being called Satanic to Angelic?? What mullah nonsense is this?
Utterance of Kalima or banging head 5 times a day or praising a paedophile makes NO difference to the nature of divine bliss. This bliss is a state of consciousness that can never be touched or defiled by such stupid mullah enforced actions. It would remain bliss and hence "divine" even without Mohammad and his sword enforced kalima.
Divinity would continue to exist untouched by fallen Satans.
"Shaykh al Akbar Ibn Arabi actually said, "The walayah of a Prophet is greater than his Prophethood" and NOT that every wali is greater than a Prophet!"
Naqshu,
Why are you playing with words. You say "..you have to believe in Islam to be a saint and have divinely inspired spiritual states as opposed to satanically inspired ones.".
Do you that mean that the "elevated states of conscious" of non-muslim ascetics would become "divinely" inspired just because they utter that stupid kalima?
You mean utterance of Kalima transforms the state of bliss from being called Satanic to Angelic?? What mullah nonsense is this?
Utterance of Kalima or banging head 5 times a day or praising a paedophile makes NO difference to the nature of divine bliss. This bliss is a state of consciousness that can never be touched or defiled by such stupid mullah enforced actions. It would remain bliss and hence "divine" even without Mohammad and his sword enforced kalima.
Divinity would continue to exist untouched by fallen Satans.
#275 Posted by Naqshbandi on February 26, 2008 12:10:21 pm
The great Sufi
AbÅ« YazÄ«d (BÄ?yazÄ«d) al-BisÅ£Ä?mi raÄ‘iyAllÄ?hu ánhu says:
‘We went to meet a man, who had become famous as a Friend of AllÄ?h (waliy); and this person was very famous for his piety and reclusion. We tarried for a while; he came out of his house and went to the Mosque and [on the way] he spat towards the Qiblah.
I came back and I did not even bother to salute him. I said to myself: ‘This is a person who is not faithful to common decency and etiquette [adab] taught by RasÅ«lAllÄ?h ÅŸallAllÄ?hu álayhi wa sallam, how can he be safe in what he claims?’
RisÄ?lah al-Qushayriyyah, pg.396.
AbÅ« YazÄ«d (BÄ?yazÄ«d) al-BisÅ£Ä?mi raÄ‘iyAllÄ?hu ánhu says:
‘We went to meet a man, who had become famous as a Friend of AllÄ?h (waliy); and this person was very famous for his piety and reclusion. We tarried for a while; he came out of his house and went to the Mosque and [on the way] he spat towards the Qiblah.
I came back and I did not even bother to salute him. I said to myself: ‘This is a person who is not faithful to common decency and etiquette [adab] taught by RasÅ«lAllÄ?h ÅŸallAllÄ?hu álayhi wa sallam, how can he be safe in what he claims?’
RisÄ?lah al-Qushayriyyah, pg.396.
#274 Posted by Naqshbandi on February 26, 2008 10:37:58 am
And non-Muslim asectics can do all their exercises and achieve elevated states of conscious--even perform wondrous feats--but all these are, in their cases, what the Christian church call 'diabolic' --i.e. from the Devil because you have to believe in Islam to be a saint and have divinely inspired spiritual states as opposed to satanically inspired ones. This, of course, does not apply to those people who came before the advent of Islam.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
#273 Posted by Naqshbandi on February 26, 2008 10:34:24 am
laddu is just a lying devil, a idolator and kafir of the lowest order--who can be lower than one who consistently insults the Messenger of Allah? Not out of ignorance but deliberately. But we await that Day when all shall meet their Maker--when no one will be able to help EXCEPT Muhammadur Rasool Allah sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam for he has been given the maqaam of Shafa'at: intercession.
Just to mention ONE of his lies, Shaykh al Akbar Ibn Arabi actually said, "The walayah of a Prophet is greater than his Prophethood" and NOT that every wali is greater than a Prophet! Ibn Arabi was a Sunni and the aqida is that no non-prophet can be greater than a Prophet. As an expert on Law he would have known that--and he declares his orthodox aqidah in the beginning of his magnum opus al Futuhat al Makkiyah. For every Prophet is necessary a saint [wali] but not every wali is a Prophet.
infidels like laddu can fool the ignorant fools and murtads like hamidm--another hater of the Prophet whose mockery shall be thrown in his face on Judgement Day!--but they cannot weasel their way amongst those with even an iota of knowledge of Islam.
Even well-known Islam haters like Bernard Lewis and Martin Amis acknowledge the greatness of the Prophet and his unmatched spirituality.
Just to mention ONE of his lies, Shaykh al Akbar Ibn Arabi actually said, "The walayah of a Prophet is greater than his Prophethood" and NOT that every wali is greater than a Prophet! Ibn Arabi was a Sunni and the aqida is that no non-prophet can be greater than a Prophet. As an expert on Law he would have known that--and he declares his orthodox aqidah in the beginning of his magnum opus al Futuhat al Makkiyah. For every Prophet is necessary a saint [wali] but not every wali is a Prophet.
infidels like laddu can fool the ignorant fools and murtads like hamidm--another hater of the Prophet whose mockery shall be thrown in his face on Judgement Day!--but they cannot weasel their way amongst those with even an iota of knowledge of Islam.
Even well-known Islam haters like Bernard Lewis and Martin Amis acknowledge the greatness of the Prophet and his unmatched spirituality.
#272 Posted by Eklavya on February 26, 2008 7:57:40 am
In the name of Jesus/Ram/Hanuman and everyone else acceptable to you, please, now, laddu. Can we just let that be? :)
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
#271 Posted by laddu on February 26, 2008 7:54:18 am
Actually the real negation of the kalima is this -
I BELIEVE that "There is no God called Allah and Mohammad is not his Prophet"
I BELIEVE that "There is no God called Allah and Mohammad is not his Prophet"
#269 Posted by Eklavya on February 26, 2008 7:48:07 am
lol, for my friend laddu. May he find peace! :)
""And I certainly do not BELIEVE if Muhammad is Allah's messanger."
Look, no taquiyya! No sufism. Hope THIS issue is finally settled.
Cheers.
""And I certainly do not BELIEVE if Muhammad is Allah's messanger."
Look, no taquiyya! No sufism. Hope THIS issue is finally settled.
Cheers.
#268 Posted by dost_mittar on February 26, 2008 7:45:06 am
hamidm:
"congratulations ! .... how come you two didn't invite me ?"
...because they were not serving any meat.
"congratulations ! .... how come you two didn't invite me ?"
...because they were not serving any meat.
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