Bullhe Shah and His Veil of “Meem”

Re: # 148
"If Mohammed didn't exist, Khuda (or is it allah these days in the Islamic Republic!) wouldn't exist either; "a figment" of a very vivid imagination!"

Such thoughts come from the Iblees within. Allah does not NEED anyone to justify His existence etc. The Sufis played with words and messed up minds...

To be candid, I have never done a serious reading of Koran. Can 'Thirukkural' be considered a book with similar ideas?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirukkural

Thirukkural was part of my curriculum. The Tamil society attaches lots of importance to the teachings.

Re: # 161

Really! So who is supposed to have created Iblees; and what do you mean by "within"; or is he a "figment" as well?

As for your reference to Pauline Christianity before, they are an even more confused lot! And what exactly is your point here?

I refer you to answers in 152/153.

My initial entries have already dealt with Asad; Not only that I knew him (via his writings), I met the guy long ago with my father when he was really old and frail (he died in his nineties). A Jewish convert (from what is now part of Ukraine) who translated the Koran and was being brandished around by "Ikhwan-ul-muslimoon - aka Muslim Brotherhood" in the arab world and by "Jamaat-e-Islami" in Pakistan along with the likes of Maryam Jameelah!

I have already made this point before; "now are we to believe that the Koran has been de-coded in the twentieth century by an orientalist convert"; what about all the things that happened before in the name of the Koran? I suppose all those lives lost were futile since "the good/holy book" has only just been de-coded!

Just brandishing about converts is not good enough; Richard Gere is a devout Buddhist; shall we all pledge allegiance to the Dallai Lama for crying out loud!

I have presented logic but clearly this "virus of the mind" is virulent and sometimes contagious. Mr DM you are right, logic can't compete with "faith" since it is not based on any logic/scietific evidence but happens to be "blind".

Tahir sahib,

(Muhammad Asad's THE MESSAGE OF THE QURAN )

Is this our own beloved chowkie Masadi sahib?

Regards

akcheema sahib,

... don't tell me i didn't warn you!

...... around here any discussion on religion always ends with the same argument: "why don't you sleep with your sister?" ...... if you keep on persisting the women of your household - your mother, grandmother, sisters and daughters - will be dragged into it ..... if you have the stomach for it, carry on; if not, i would advise you to stop right now .......

.... the only argument the religious nutcases on this forum have is that without religion we would all be running around butt naked fornicating with our relatives! ..... in the end, religion seems to be all about sex

#165 Posted by hamidm2,

Hamidm, it's a fair question relating to 'scientific enquiry' and 'logic'. Nothing to do with dragging in female family members.

C'mon now tell me, why don't you? What's your reason? I mean ... you don't HAVE to have babies. Right? You support homosexuality, even same-sex marriage. That's just great and right in line with 'consenting adults' and 'humanism'. Totally liberal and free-thinking. Why shirk when it's your siblings or daughters/sons?

Don't run away. Stand and gimme your logic how it is not pure hypocrisy!

Re: # 163
Profess your faith first, what are you exactly?

Like you, I asked a zillion questions; the only problem was that I spoke without having read anything. But that was long ago.

Erase the lies of the godless from your mind and study what was Iblees's problem, which is THE problem with many Muslim turncoat Chowkies.

Too bad the influence did not rub off on you; you must have been very young when you met Dr. Asad.

Everybody is a convert in a way. From darkness to light is a journey; take the first step if you're unafraid.

Re: # 164
Nope, this is not M.Asadi.

Fondest regards.

Re: #various by akcheema,
Cheema sahib,
You seem to be referring to some kind of moral system based on evolution. Can you elaborate on that a bit?
How do you determine something is right or wrong?
Do you look for survival benefit for the species?

Re: # 166

zeemax mian,

.... i think cheema sahib has explained it - humans are programmed to avoid sex with close female relatives .... the reason is evident on this forum where, i am sure, many are the product of first-cousin marriages .....

.... having said that, there are certain standards of morality that are universal and predate any idiot savant or apoplectic prophet with a message from god to stop stealing our neighbors cow or coveting his wife ..... i am sure that contrary to popular myth, luke did not invent the concept of "do unto others as you would have them do to you" ...... before the son of god showed up in his custom made sandals people did not go around stealing from their neighbors or murdering them in their sleep ........ it is a nonsensical argument! ..... morality was not invented by god ... as a matter of fact i would argue that god invented immoralities like jihad (violence), cruelty to animals (sacrifical killings), polygamy (legalized prostitution) and pederasty (gilmans) .......

.... i hope i have answered your question - now you are free to abuse my daughters and long-dead grandmother .........

hamidm: The first half of your post (where you point to the biological programming of certain human behaviors) points one way, while the second half of your post (where you point to God for certain other human behaviors).

I am getting worried about you..

hamidm: The first half of your post (where you point to the biological programming of certain human behaviors) points one way, while the second half of your post (where you point to God for certain other human behaviors) points the opposite way.

I am getting worried about you..

PS: sorry for typo in #170, which i have corrected above

Re: # 171

tahmed,

.... as an up and coming prophet, you should know that i was being rhetorical ..... if, as i belive, god does not exist how can he invent anything - good or bad? ..... in order to clear your confusion i should have said that idiot savants and apoplectic prophets who claimed to talk to 'god' invented all these bed things for their own nefarious purposes ....... is that better?

..... i hope you won't add to this long list of immoralities when you float your religion .... i trust you

#169 Posted by hamidm2,

No you're just repeating that 'programmed' argument which I refuted. When was it programmed? Before the Romans and Egyptian Pharaohs or afterwards?

While you're at it, also answer re:

"there are certain standards of morality that are universal ".

Is homosexuality an accepted Universal value but not incest? Why?

I mean, even animals do not indulge in homosexuality (except hindoos I guess). Is man less evolved than animals? Or animals are less evolved because they reject homosexuality while it's a sign of evolution that more evolved humans (like your ilk) do?

Now do answer point by point. No need to be evasive by acting funny.

hamidm: how do you know that the unknown does not exist?

zeemax: do the stars care if a man steals what is not his? or that mush talks from both sides of his mouth?

only man cares. morality is rooted in millions of years of evolution, and drvien by man's own security needs. or as kant put it more impressively in the Categorical Imperitive.

#175 Posted by tahmed32,

Man does not steal what is not his? You gotta be kidding.

Anyway, I'm waiting for hamidm's reply!