Bullhe Shah and His Veil of “Meem”

In any case, I am not a sufi, nor do I pretend to be one on chowk.

For all matter sufiana, please contact walli ullah rehmatulla Naqshbandi. May his rutba be buland and his khutba be long (ameen)

Naqshbandi: #30

In your earlier post, you wrote:
"Ana Ahmad bila Meem"
I am Ahmad without the 'M' i.e. Ahad. (The One).
It's quite a definitive statement; it doesn't seem to be figurative as you implied in your post # 29.

Similarly, Bullhe Shah's statement is quite definitive. It is quoted in my article as follows:
“Ahad, Ahmad wich farq nah Bullya
Ikk ratti bhar marodee da”
(There is no difference between Ahad and Ahmad but of a nominal ‘rounding’ [meem}.)

Mohammad Gill

Gill Sahib, the sufi answer to that should be that nobody knows what M/rounding stands for. It could be nothing, or it could be everything, depending upon your own state of love (not understanding).

hurricane bhai,

:)

Re: # 31

"Excuse the term Islamic sufism since there is a ton of unIslamic sufism that people like my friend laddu enthusiastically propound, in utter ignorance, IMHO."

Sufism , is not a trade mark belonging to Qadari or Naqshabandi order just as "Islam" is not a trademark belonging to the Wahaabs. As I said there are two kinds of Sufis - one that accepts the regular politcial Islam and its Sharia in toto - and the other that does not accept and hence seems to be indulging in Kufr, bidda and Haram. That type of 'sufism' drew from Advaitic and hindu ascetic traditions of Nath, Avadhoot, Bharti etc. Such sufism NEVER aligned itself with the mullahs or accepted a paedophile as the the source of sufism. They rejected Mohammad but accepted the formless Brahman through adopting mystical guru-shishya menthod of imparting the knowledge of formless Brahman. Only such sufism were killed by political Islamists in the past - rest of the so called psuedo-sufism remained part of the darabari culture, political Islam and hence Shariat.

The problem with you Pakistanis is that even sufism is relegated to your mullah's "Islamic principles" just like your Paki constitution.

Lahol!!

Re: # 35

You guys do not understand that "Meem" refers to "Maya" . Maya is ALWAYS considered to be "veiling" and as an "Avarana". which leads to another "Meem" which is "MaMatva" (Ego) .

You Pakis can never reach the truth - because even if the Allah comes before you and asks you to reject Mohammad you would only express allegiance to that rapist ans pedophile than accept Allah.

hamid
amid
mid
ami
ham
id
had
hid
haid
.......... even after lifting all theses veils, the closest i could get is 'ham' as in a 'ham sandwich' ...... oh well, i guess i am not god after all ... unless some sufi can help me out

....... this discussion reminds me of the discussions i used to have with the malangs at bari imam ..... high on the finest bhang made from the finest cannabis from the himalayan foothills i searched for god and i think i found him on a couple of occassions ...... it is a good thing, this version of islam .... a lot better than the wahabis who want to blow themselves up so that they can have sex with virgins .......

laddu,

stop insulting our prophet (pbuh and his camel)! ....... if we want him insulted, we will do it ourselves .. we don't need your help

"even if the Allah comes before you and asks you to reject Mohammad you would only express allegiance to that rapist ans pedophile than accept Allah....."

:(

laddu, I am an Indian, and a Hindu (at least nominally). I am requesting you to PLEASE not confuse your Hinduism for Sufism. Some "Sufi" has really messed up your head.

It's probably some 'sufism-means-love-one-and-all' type of sufi who is behind this total carnage. It should be a crime to cause such havoc among good people.

Re: # 40

"am requesting you to PLEASE not confuse your Hinduism for Sufism. Some "Sufi" has really messed up your head."

Bhai Mere, you have not understood the linkages between various gnostic-ascetic traditions. You are all messed up. And how come you spout dhimmi and momeen arse licking statements about that blood thirsty Allah all the time.
Have you even red real Quran? In what sense you are a hindu?

if you are one then negate the kalima. I have challenged you many times to do it and you refused because you are obviously a momeen indulging in taquiyya with this hindu sounding name.

Re: # 39

Hmm, you make sense. So I leave the stage for you.

YouTube ban in Pakistan because of blaspheme

Can anyone please download the so-called balsphemous video and send it to me as an email attachment?

My address is INABBAR at G mail dot com .. I'll appreciate it.

...SR

Re: # 39

Hey , I thought momens were proud that Mohammad married Ayesha at 6 and consummated when she was 9.
And he "married" so many women on the same day after killing their husbands !! Those were all 'forced-consent' to marriage when they were infact grieving for the slaughter of their near and dear ones. Such forced consent is called "rape".
Momeens are all proud of all that Mohammad did to idolators of Arabia.

Allah miaN thallay aa


http://www.apnaorg.com/poetry/saain-akhtar/

Page 6 and onwards is a classic poem by Sain Akhtar, who is one of the more famous pupils of Ustad Daman.

...SR

dear friends,

i am looking at religions in general and islam in particular and doing comparative studies especially focusing on the proponents and opponents of islam and carefuly weighing their views...to arrive at my own judgement..

i have come across ali sina, ibn warraq etc who have questioned islam and i have also looked at muslim responses to their tirade..... i must admit if i take an unbiased view, keeping aside my parental religious/cultural legacy, i am unconvinced by the response to the arguments of ali sina etc.... in fact, both sides use different perspectives and styles of arguments, which are akin to comparing apples with oranges.... for example, the muslims always refer to Quran... resulting in circular reasoning...etc

I think this post is the right forum to discuss this situation....

views from the highly opinionated and seemingly well-read participants of this forum might help me in this....

i also want to make it clear that i am not a "trol" of any kind ...hence not acting as devil's advocate...

thanks

#46 Posted by TaureanKhanm

Why don't you search chowk archives? Use keywords. I don't think anyone will be interested to help you here, except the hindoo monkeys or a few Pakistani murtids.

Re: # 47

Come on Mard-e-Momeen , help this guy redeem his faith!!