Sabahat Vahidy February 4, 2008
#168 Posted by arjun_5 on February 7, 2008 3:46:56 am
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_10-9-2004_pg3_3
According to Khabrain (July 1, 2004) then prime minister-in-waiting Shaukat Aziz said that he was not a Qadiani and all the rumours spread about his being one were false and malicious. He pronounced Al Hamdu Lillah and said that he was a Sunni Muslim and the clerics who instructed him in Islam were still alive and could vouch for his not being a Qadiani. Sarerahe in Nawa-e-Waqt stated that Mr Aziz’s mother was in the habit of holding religious gatherings every month on the occasion of Giyarwin Sharif where great Sunni scholars came and lectured. She said her prayers five times a day. According to Jang, Mr Aziz said that his entire family and he held only a Pakistani passport and that he listened only to Eastern music and that he painted in his spare time.
Shaukat Aziz is not the first man who has had to humiliate himself like this. Before him, President Pervez Musharraf also went through the same kind of self-abasement. He had to exclude the Qadianis from his joint electorates, but no one believed him. The more you say you are not a Qadiani the more the clergy will shout Qadiani. Dozens of politicians and bureaucrats were thus put through the humiliating trial-by-falsehood in the past.
According to Khabrain (July 1, 2004) then prime minister-in-waiting Shaukat Aziz said that he was not a Qadiani and all the rumours spread about his being one were false and malicious. He pronounced Al Hamdu Lillah and said that he was a Sunni Muslim and the clerics who instructed him in Islam were still alive and could vouch for his not being a Qadiani. Sarerahe in Nawa-e-Waqt stated that Mr Aziz’s mother was in the habit of holding religious gatherings every month on the occasion of Giyarwin Sharif where great Sunni scholars came and lectured. She said her prayers five times a day. According to Jang, Mr Aziz said that his entire family and he held only a Pakistani passport and that he listened only to Eastern music and that he painted in his spare time.
Shaukat Aziz is not the first man who has had to humiliate himself like this. Before him, President Pervez Musharraf also went through the same kind of self-abasement. He had to exclude the Qadianis from his joint electorates, but no one believed him. The more you say you are not a Qadiani the more the clergy will shout Qadiani. Dozens of politicians and bureaucrats were thus put through the humiliating trial-by-falsehood in the past.
#167 Posted by harish_hyd on February 7, 2008 12:42:10 am
#165 by majumdar
Majumdar bhai, I think Shaukat Aziz isn't an Ahmedi. A couple of years ago, I remember there was a huge ruckus created by some orthodox Muslims about him being one, but he promptly clarified that he is a Sunni Muslim and not Ahmedi.
Majumdar bhai, I think Shaukat Aziz isn't an Ahmedi. A couple of years ago, I remember there was a huge ruckus created by some orthodox Muslims about him being one, but he promptly clarified that he is a Sunni Muslim and not Ahmedi.
#166 Posted by viqarm on February 7, 2008 12:22:35 am
Re: # 156 Majumdar bhai,
Only God(SWT) Knows who is Muslim and who is Ahmedi.
Only God(SWT) Knows who is Muslim and who is Ahmedi.
#165 Posted by majumdar on February 7, 2008 12:19:09 am
Ananth,
Pak establishment is not paranoid about the Ahmedis, indeed some of them are very well represented. For eg Zafarullah Khan in LAK's Cabinet, Shaukat Aziz etc. It is non- Ahmedi Muslims who are on account of some theological disputes including the status of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed. However u will have to ask the experts.
Regards
Pak establishment is not paranoid about the Ahmedis, indeed some of them are very well represented. For eg Zafarullah Khan in LAK's Cabinet, Shaukat Aziz etc. It is non- Ahmedi Muslims who are on account of some theological disputes including the status of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed. However u will have to ask the experts.
Regards
#164 Posted by Ananth07 on February 7, 2008 12:16:27 am
Why does Pakistani establishment get soo paranoid about such a tiny minority ?
#163 Posted by majumdar on February 7, 2008 12:01:40 am
Ananth,
http://www.statpak.gov.pk/depts/pco/statistics/other_tables/pop_by_re ligion.pdf
This gives a figure of 0.22% Ahmedi. As Pak population is 168 million that wud mean 0.36 million Ahmedis.
Fakir sahib,
(gen asif nawaz wanted to remove the uniform of lady doctors.)
What a naughty guy. He shud be hung.
Regards
http://www.statpak.gov.pk/depts/pco/statistics/other_tables/pop_by_re ligion.pdf
This gives a figure of 0.22% Ahmedi. As Pak population is 168 million that wud mean 0.36 million Ahmedis.
Fakir sahib,
(gen asif nawaz wanted to remove the uniform of lady doctors.)
What a naughty guy. He shud be hung.
Regards
#162 Posted by Ananth07 on February 7, 2008 12:00:32 am
I see lots of discontent among pakistani muslims… abt Ahmadis becoz they have moved away from the the religion of their ‘forefathers”……..
Hindus feel the same away abt muslims of the subcontinent who have moved away from Hinduism which is the the religion of the forefathers.
Hindus feel the same away abt muslims of the subcontinent who have moved away from Hinduism which is the the religion of the forefathers.
#160 Posted by Ananth07 on February 6, 2008 11:46:52 pm
how much is the Ahmadi population in Pakistan ?
#159 Posted by FakirIppi on February 6, 2008 11:37:25 pm
Re: # 157 the army doctors are the most despicable lot.they are famous for medical incompetence and misbehaving with patients below colonel rank.thats why gen asif nawaz wanted to remove the uniform of these clown doctors and so called lady doctors.
#158 Posted by zeemax on February 6, 2008 11:32:41 pm
#156 Posted by majumdar,
Dada you should appreciate Viqar Saheb's noble sentiments, and not make naughty attempts at 'teeli lagana' !
Dada you should appreciate Viqar Saheb's noble sentiments, and not make naughty attempts at 'teeli lagana' !
#157 Posted by zeemax on February 6, 2008 11:26:53 pm
#155 Posted by FakirIppi,
Samjha karo. It is to bestow darja-e-shahadat on some poor souls who were merely in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Samjha karo. It is to bestow darja-e-shahadat on some poor souls who were merely in the wrong place at the wrong time.
#156 Posted by majumdar on February 6, 2008 11:26:02 pm
Vikramadityaji,
(there are Ahmedis, like me, who have no problem whatsoever with muslims.)
Are you saying that Ahmedis are not Muslims?
Regards
(there are Ahmedis, like me, who have no problem whatsoever with muslims.)
Are you saying that Ahmedis are not Muslims?
Regards
#155 Posted by FakirIppi on February 6, 2008 11:20:42 pm
never had the misfortune of reading such a poorly structured drab article...if one can it call it so.
#154 Posted by FakirIppi on February 6, 2008 11:19:53 pm
the aim of suicide bombings is to demoralise the enemy and in this case also this was the aim.
#153 Posted by viqarm on February 6, 2008 10:51:25 pm
Re: # 151 UrsTruly, Zee Sahib,
I am really dismayed by the venom the two of you are spewing against all Ahmedis. While there may be some deserving of your scorn there are Ahmedis, like me, who have no problem whatsoever with muslims. Neither do I denounce jihad, or separate my prayers from ordinary muslims. And while I condemn suicide bombings against defenceless civilian targets I also condemn, equally vehemently, the persecution that has become the lot of the oppressed segments from where the militant resistance and extremism originates. The mindless WOT and demonization of any believing muslim is a prime example of atrocities which will keep the fires of extremism burning until the oppressors and the extremists have both consumed each other.
Condemning suicide attacks while calling for nuking and daisy cuttering the regions from where militants come is the hallmark of the mentality of manifest hypocrites be they non-muslims, secular muslims, ex-muslims, and even, God Forbid, Ahmedis.
Peace!
I am really dismayed by the venom the two of you are spewing against all Ahmedis. While there may be some deserving of your scorn there are Ahmedis, like me, who have no problem whatsoever with muslims. Neither do I denounce jihad, or separate my prayers from ordinary muslims. And while I condemn suicide bombings against defenceless civilian targets I also condemn, equally vehemently, the persecution that has become the lot of the oppressed segments from where the militant resistance and extremism originates. The mindless WOT and demonization of any believing muslim is a prime example of atrocities which will keep the fires of extremism burning until the oppressors and the extremists have both consumed each other.
Condemning suicide attacks while calling for nuking and daisy cuttering the regions from where militants come is the hallmark of the mentality of manifest hypocrites be they non-muslims, secular muslims, ex-muslims, and even, God Forbid, Ahmedis.
Peace!
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