Sabahat Vahidy February 4, 2008
#2 Posted by majumdar on February 4, 2008 10:24:21 pm
It is very sad. May God give peace to the dead and strength to their loved ones and speedy recovery to the wounded.
Regards
Regards
#3 Posted by nature_lover on February 4, 2008 10:28:08 pm
When our beloved Pakistan is bathed in blood, this feelingless , narcissistic , egoistic, demolisher of institutions, seller of national honour is showing off and boasting about his happy life style..??
The News international of Feb 05, 2008 tells about his greedy activities..it says:
By Muhammad Saleh Zaafir
ISLAMABAD: President Pervez Musharaf has said that the deposed judges would not be restored in any circumstances and a situation will not crop up prompting parliament to restore them since any change in the present status will require two-thirds support in House for such a move.
The president was talking to The News exclusively on Monday evening at a local five star hotel where he had come for dinner to a Thai restaurant with his wife Sehba Musharraf, some family members, and a close relative. The president was wearing a black sweatshirt with jacket. He was in an upbeat and relaxed mood. He shook hands with the staff of the restaurant and came to the hotel without any protocol or security.
To a question, President Pervez Musharraf said that the presumption of dissolving the next National Assembly in case it opts to restore the deposed judges of the superior courts is out of place. No parliament would like to remove sitting judges of the court. He disclosed that the Supreme Court would be attaining its full strength soon with two more judges being inducted shortly. “A two-thirds majority will be needed to amend the Constitution. The incumbent judges are holding their offices in accordance with the constitution”, the president said.
The president’s attention was drawn to the testimony of the US Assistant Secretary of State Richard Boucher in a hearing at Capitol Hill wherein he stated that President Musharraf would dissolve parliament if it tries to restore the deposed judges. This act of the president would be in line with the Constitution. The president assured that this stage would never come.
To a another query President Pervez Musharraf said that the turnout in the upcoming polls was expected to be lower but the government would provide full security to the voters and other people. “In-fact the candidates bring the voters to the polling stations. I am sure they will succeed in their efforts as the elections are hotly contested”, he added. the president was of the view that despite this, it would not be a discouraging turnout. He said that the polls would take place on the 18th of this month come what may. The government is fully determined to hold the elections in a free, fair and transparent manner in a peaceful environment.
The president said that people would give a sensible verdict by choosing their representatives who could deliver in a befitting manner and who can look after the national interest in the best possible way.
He parried a question about Dr. A Q Khan who has been given some concessions recently. Federal Minister for Petroleum and Natural Resources Ehsanullah Khan was also with the president at the dinner. The president and other guests had Thai delicacies prepared with prawns, fish, beef and chicken. They also had chicken Thai soup as an appetiser.
The News international of Feb 05, 2008 tells about his greedy activities..it says:
By Muhammad Saleh Zaafir
ISLAMABAD: President Pervez Musharaf has said that the deposed judges would not be restored in any circumstances and a situation will not crop up prompting parliament to restore them since any change in the present status will require two-thirds support in House for such a move.
The president was talking to The News exclusively on Monday evening at a local five star hotel where he had come for dinner to a Thai restaurant with his wife Sehba Musharraf, some family members, and a close relative. The president was wearing a black sweatshirt with jacket. He was in an upbeat and relaxed mood. He shook hands with the staff of the restaurant and came to the hotel without any protocol or security.
To a question, President Pervez Musharraf said that the presumption of dissolving the next National Assembly in case it opts to restore the deposed judges of the superior courts is out of place. No parliament would like to remove sitting judges of the court. He disclosed that the Supreme Court would be attaining its full strength soon with two more judges being inducted shortly. “A two-thirds majority will be needed to amend the Constitution. The incumbent judges are holding their offices in accordance with the constitution”, the president said.
The president’s attention was drawn to the testimony of the US Assistant Secretary of State Richard Boucher in a hearing at Capitol Hill wherein he stated that President Musharraf would dissolve parliament if it tries to restore the deposed judges. This act of the president would be in line with the Constitution. The president assured that this stage would never come.
To a another query President Pervez Musharraf said that the turnout in the upcoming polls was expected to be lower but the government would provide full security to the voters and other people. “In-fact the candidates bring the voters to the polling stations. I am sure they will succeed in their efforts as the elections are hotly contested”, he added. the president was of the view that despite this, it would not be a discouraging turnout. He said that the polls would take place on the 18th of this month come what may. The government is fully determined to hold the elections in a free, fair and transparent manner in a peaceful environment.
The president said that people would give a sensible verdict by choosing their representatives who could deliver in a befitting manner and who can look after the national interest in the best possible way.
He parried a question about Dr. A Q Khan who has been given some concessions recently. Federal Minister for Petroleum and Natural Resources Ehsanullah Khan was also with the president at the dinner. The president and other guests had Thai delicacies prepared with prawns, fish, beef and chicken. They also had chicken Thai soup as an appetiser.
#4 Posted by jayp on February 5, 2008 12:52:13 am
Sabahat maam,
It is so sad and tragic that such educated people have lost their lives to terrorism. It si time that people like you, with connections in the army look at the root cause of it.
1. Many say that it is poverty that is leading to terrorism. No maam, there are a lot more poorer countries. Read the chowk, you can see so many educated pakistanis telling that India is much poorer, ask YLH for numbers.
2. Poverty may be one condition, nut that is not the sufficient condition. Ask your own husband, why the military is still supporing the jihadis, albeit of the kashmir variety. Tell your husband a military man that jihadi simply desensitises people, that is all what it does. Some of the most violent crimes linked to robbery are carried out by jihadis in karachi, allegedly to advance jihad.
3. Atleast attend the friday prayers in the mosques, sorry, I understand that women cannot attend them in pakistan, but ask your husband whether there is a call for jihad.
4. Have a deep breath and think about it. All of the mullahs, who have spent a life time learning about koran do not condemn the jihad and terrorism and suicide bombing while the educated keep telling that suicide bombing is un-islamic. Is it just pandering to the west, refusing to accept the reality, and pretending to know more about the religion that those who spent their life time learning it.
If you are bold enough post what you think.
Let god what ever be the name give you courage
Jay
It is so sad and tragic that such educated people have lost their lives to terrorism. It si time that people like you, with connections in the army look at the root cause of it.
1. Many say that it is poverty that is leading to terrorism. No maam, there are a lot more poorer countries. Read the chowk, you can see so many educated pakistanis telling that India is much poorer, ask YLH for numbers.
2. Poverty may be one condition, nut that is not the sufficient condition. Ask your own husband, why the military is still supporing the jihadis, albeit of the kashmir variety. Tell your husband a military man that jihadi simply desensitises people, that is all what it does. Some of the most violent crimes linked to robbery are carried out by jihadis in karachi, allegedly to advance jihad.
3. Atleast attend the friday prayers in the mosques, sorry, I understand that women cannot attend them in pakistan, but ask your husband whether there is a call for jihad.
4. Have a deep breath and think about it. All of the mullahs, who have spent a life time learning about koran do not condemn the jihad and terrorism and suicide bombing while the educated keep telling that suicide bombing is un-islamic. Is it just pandering to the west, refusing to accept the reality, and pretending to know more about the religion that those who spent their life time learning it.
If you are bold enough post what you think.
Let god what ever be the name give you courage
Jay
#5 Posted by mahfari on February 5, 2008 1:05:31 am
Re: # 4 In Islam there is no clergy, and htose people who promote suicide bombings they ahev theri own agenda and persoanl vested intersts. As to spending their lives, spending lives in ignorance does not amke one scholar, and fundamental bases of Islamic law is reason, no reason no law( See Shah Wali Ullah).Whther it is mullah or no mullah, law withotu reason is farce and in Islam no one is superior and all are equal near Allah. Knowledge needs to eb checked on its merits and reason not on the bases that certain perosn said so.
#6 Posted by jayp on February 5, 2008 1:33:44 am
sabahat maam,
Hidden some where in the news item below ( from jang of today ) is the root cause of the attack that has hurt you so much.
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SLAMABAD: Top Al-Qaida commander Abu Laith al-Libi, killed last week in northwestern Pakistan, openly met Pakistani officials and a Libyan diplomat in Peshawar despite a USD 200,000 reward on his head, The Washington Post said on Monday.
The terrorist leader from Libya had lived in northwestern Pakistan for years and “felt secure enough to meet officials and visit hospitals” in Peshawar, the Washington Post quoted officials and residents of the city as saying.
As he organised suicide bombings and other attacks in Afghanistan, Libi “found a comfortable refuge in Pakistan’s border region”, the paper quoted sources as saying. He “met openly with a Pakistani politician and a Libyan diplomat and called on foreign fighters recovering from their wounds”.
The way in which Libi moved unchallenged around the heart of Peshawar, a city of 1.2 million people, underscored “how freely he and other Al-Qaida leaders have been able to operate in Pakistan”, the report said. On one occasion in 2006, Libi “strode into the central prison in Peshawar and another Libyan fighter sat behind bars in the custody of Pakistani authorities... the Al-Qaida leader, the Pakistani politician and the Libyan diplomat argued over whether the militant should be deported against his wishes to Libya or released to fight another day, said Javed Ibrahim Paracha, the PML-N leader who helped arrange the meeting.
Hidden some where in the news item below ( from jang of today ) is the root cause of the attack that has hurt you so much.
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SLAMABAD: Top Al-Qaida commander Abu Laith al-Libi, killed last week in northwestern Pakistan, openly met Pakistani officials and a Libyan diplomat in Peshawar despite a USD 200,000 reward on his head, The Washington Post said on Monday.
The terrorist leader from Libya had lived in northwestern Pakistan for years and “felt secure enough to meet officials and visit hospitals” in Peshawar, the Washington Post quoted officials and residents of the city as saying.
As he organised suicide bombings and other attacks in Afghanistan, Libi “found a comfortable refuge in Pakistan’s border region”, the paper quoted sources as saying. He “met openly with a Pakistani politician and a Libyan diplomat and called on foreign fighters recovering from their wounds”.
The way in which Libi moved unchallenged around the heart of Peshawar, a city of 1.2 million people, underscored “how freely he and other Al-Qaida leaders have been able to operate in Pakistan”, the report said. On one occasion in 2006, Libi “strode into the central prison in Peshawar and another Libyan fighter sat behind bars in the custody of Pakistani authorities... the Al-Qaida leader, the Pakistani politician and the Libyan diplomat argued over whether the militant should be deported against his wishes to Libya or released to fight another day, said Javed Ibrahim Paracha, the PML-N leader who helped arrange the meeting.
#7 Posted by jayp on February 5, 2008 1:40:14 am
mahfari,
Thanks for the info. Will you dare to tell that to the millions of pakistanis, the students of red mosque that the mullah who teaches them is as knowledgeable as you about religion.
You any fit into the definition of what is in my paragraph
4. As hamidm would say, putting lipstick on the donkey will not change anything.
It is time that you accept the reality.
Suicide attacks in pakistan is not perceived by the world as some kind of a terror attack, as in the UK or in India. It is perceived as a domestic problem simply because pakistan is considered as the source of terrorism. The world wants support of pakistan to contain terrorism in their countries, but terrorism in pakistan is a domestic problem. No one cares.
Thanks for the info. Will you dare to tell that to the millions of pakistanis, the students of red mosque that the mullah who teaches them is as knowledgeable as you about religion.
You any fit into the definition of what is in my paragraph
4. As hamidm would say, putting lipstick on the donkey will not change anything.
It is time that you accept the reality.
Suicide attacks in pakistan is not perceived by the world as some kind of a terror attack, as in the UK or in India. It is perceived as a domestic problem simply because pakistan is considered as the source of terrorism. The world wants support of pakistan to contain terrorism in their countries, but terrorism in pakistan is a domestic problem. No one cares.
#8 Posted by zeemax on February 5, 2008 2:03:04 am
Don't know who carried it out, but the other side which has to shoot their injured colleagues to put them out of misery since no medical facilities available, will not allow their opponents to have the luxury of the same either.
For starters, allow some red crescent people to Swat and Waziristan where you're at war, and you might get a reciprocal response.
But Ma'am, all of you are pakistani kanjars. You will only learn the hard way.
For starters, allow some red crescent people to Swat and Waziristan where you're at war, and you might get a reciprocal response.
But Ma'am, all of you are pakistani kanjars. You will only learn the hard way.
#9 Posted by goonga on February 5, 2008 2:26:22 am
Every life is precious. Prays for all those there.
Thanks for sharing firsthand account of your husband in this regard. Hope to hear from his more accounts too.
Thanks for sharing firsthand account of your husband in this regard. Hope to hear from his more accounts too.
#10 Posted by goonga on February 5, 2008 2:27:24 am
Ma'm:
This morning marked the first day of classes for the current batch of officers chosen from around the country to take the Unit Command Course. Five of them never signed-in today.
Fortunately, another seven or so officers had taken the day off or they too would have been on board that same bus.
Could it be target killing? i.e. how come one knew prior info about schedule or timing or route of the bus?
Barring that suicide bomber only want to every green/military colored bus, isnt it possible that officers missing on the first day should be inquired into it???
This morning marked the first day of classes for the current batch of officers chosen from around the country to take the Unit Command Course. Five of them never signed-in today.
Fortunately, another seven or so officers had taken the day off or they too would have been on board that same bus.
Could it be target killing? i.e. how come one knew prior info about schedule or timing or route of the bus?
Barring that suicide bomber only want to every green/military colored bus, isnt it possible that officers missing on the first day should be inquired into it???
#11 Posted by Ananth07 on February 5, 2008 2:28:12 am
Suicide attacks” in Pakistan are a “domestic sale” of “export quality” sevices.
#12 Posted by Skeptical on February 5, 2008 2:39:59 am
Re: # 6
Although I agree that terrorism or for that matter suicide bombings in Pakistan are partly religously driven as the bombers are often promised "paradise" by Mullahs....
But since you have so much arrogantly claimed to know all about "terrorism" I wonder why these bombings were not taking place in 1970s or 1960s.....
Surely Islam was still there...
Pakistani Army was still there.....
Why it is a phenonmenon of 80's and onwards....
Since you seem to be so "bright" and know all about a complex phenonmenon like terrorism which by the way has been practised in many other parts of the world...
Even where there are no Mullahs or muslims....
South America, Africa, Ireland......
I ask you to please reflect and "educate" us....
And yes while explaining terrorism please also explain why it is also prevalent in other parts of the world also...
And why it started to really emerge in 1990s in this part of the world....
Although I agree that terrorism or for that matter suicide bombings in Pakistan are partly religously driven as the bombers are often promised "paradise" by Mullahs....
But since you have so much arrogantly claimed to know all about "terrorism" I wonder why these bombings were not taking place in 1970s or 1960s.....
Surely Islam was still there...
Pakistani Army was still there.....
Why it is a phenonmenon of 80's and onwards....
Since you seem to be so "bright" and know all about a complex phenonmenon like terrorism which by the way has been practised in many other parts of the world...
Even where there are no Mullahs or muslims....
South America, Africa, Ireland......
I ask you to please reflect and "educate" us....
And yes while explaining terrorism please also explain why it is also prevalent in other parts of the world also...
And why it started to really emerge in 1990s in this part of the world....
#13 Posted by harish_hyd on February 5, 2008 2:45:30 am
#10 by goonga
Nice catch yaar Goonga. There definitely seems to be something murky behind the incident.
OTOH, the fact that there were so many absentees on the very first day of the course speaks poorly of the discipline in the Paki army.
Nice catch yaar Goonga. There definitely seems to be something murky behind the incident.
OTOH, the fact that there were so many absentees on the very first day of the course speaks poorly of the discipline in the Paki army.
#14 Posted by Ananth07 on February 5, 2008 2:51:26 am
There are no”free meals”… thus is the price pakistan is paying for following the saudi path.
#15 Posted by vengatramanan on February 5, 2008 3:24:18 am
"The Capt Dr [gynecologist] suffered traumatic injuries and has undergone a double amputation of her legs... and a hysterectomy. She was pregnant."
I am sorry; this is tough, very tough. Don’t know what one can do to assuage her. What can I wish her? Everything is lost.
I am sorry; this is tough, very tough. Don’t know what one can do to assuage her. What can I wish her? Everything is lost.
#16 Posted by guru on February 5, 2008 4:38:54 am
Bless the departed souls and Strength to the injured! Hope this killing of innocents and especially ones who help (doctors and nurses) stops. Hope Pakistan saves itself from this violence.
Can reconciliation be started by the religious leaders? If the religion boils down to armed legions, then it is very hard to go back to non-violent means. But we should not lose hope. New generation need to be saved from this hatred and insecurity. Hope your son did not witness this tragedy.
Can reconciliation be started by the religious leaders? If the religion boils down to armed legions, then it is very hard to go back to non-violent means. But we should not lose hope. New generation need to be saved from this hatred and insecurity. Hope your son did not witness this tragedy.
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