Drama of Succession - Pakistan People’s Party

Manto mian,

(Because Gandhi never presented himself to lathi charge he advocated to others)

Maybe. But he did suffer the pain and anguish of being locked up in Aga Khan's palace.

Regards

Ps. Arjun mian. I would never follow gandhi. Like Jinnah I march in a cause I truly believe in and like I will not shy away from getting beaten but I would not advocate something as a matter of policy which I don't believe in or which I can't apply to myself like gandhi and getting his head cut open.

Anil,

This is simply the bedfellowship of the bizarre and mondo bizarre.

Masadi has been proven a liar on this very forum. But it is the responsibility of some to build him up because he makes the same ignorant noise which fit in well with the life long prejudices and deeply held beliefs of some.

Meanwhile my only crime is that I present arguments which are backed by historical sources which are unimpeachable and always true. So it the patriotic national duty of third rate freaks like mohar 11 and arjun 5 to abuse me, drag my dead father into it and make statements which make no sense.

So I must be abused. Because Gandhi never presented himself to lathi charge he advocated to others, I am some how saying something which is "upside" down. Forget that all I have said has already been said by many many perceptive indians.

Re: # 118

Arjun:

"...masadi, to his credit, doesn't make stuff up..."

Are you really really sure?

#115 Posted by mohar11 on February 11, 2008 1:23:36 pm


masadi, to his credit, doesn't make stuff up...

manto, otoh, pulls out stuff tainted with last night's dinner all the time..like the BS about how the GDP per capita on ppp basis isn't the right number to be used..or how orascom was offered as an example of a paki company that matched the tatas and infosys'

#113 Posted by MantoLives on February 11, 2008 12:42:21 pm

so the answer is, not surpsingly, NO...you're not marching with the lawyers...

if gandhi didn't get whacked on the head, why are you trying to emulate gandhi? shouldn't you go out and march and get a few whacks just to be the anti-gandhi?

Sanatani

YLH lives in what is called PakiWorld(TM) [ask arjun for details] where everything is upside down and inside out... it's a bubble that all pakis are born into - most never could come out of it to see the real world... :)

Re: # 103 hamidm
[......... ylh ...will end up like me - a cyber warrior for truth and justice ........ what a waste ...]

Well, that's what I told you old coots swooning over "young YLH with great potential"...

YLH is an intellectually-challenged loudmouth fool... he is just another masadi with a "secular" flavor... Pakiland seems to produce such fools with gay abandon... :)

#105 Posted by Sanatani on February 11, 2008 11:53:48 am

It doesn't matter what j-man wanted..the pakistan of today, in manto's words, is a theocracy...

he said so himself...

Re: # 111

Actually since Jinnah never asked people (except for the protest against Willingdon in which he was himself injured in 1918) to throw themselves to Lathi Charge, it was alright.

What you should be asking is how many times was the great civil disobedience champion Gandhi injured in the lathi charges in his life?

The answer surprisingly is zero! Zilch. Gandhi did not ever offer him to be beaten as he openly encouraged others to do.

It is this newspaper:

http://www.newstodaynet.com/2006sud/06aug/2208ss1.htm

btw manto: are you marching with the lawyers in islamabad or, like jinnah, are you letting someone else bear the brunt of the lathi charge and whatnot..?

I have quoted it directly from the Indian Paper "Organizer".
It is a very well known Indian writer... Kamath is it? who called him that.

So while no one will call Masadi that ... a stalwart... this claim is by an Indian newspaper which is at the very least more credible than arjun-5.

#108 Posted by MantoLives on February 11, 2008 12:14:37 pm


Achyuth Patwardhan


FYI for manto...This ghati dude is a "well known stalwart" in India like masadi is a "well known stalwart" in pureland...

which is to say he isn't...and quoting him doesn't prove diddly squat...

I could say that the pakistani stalwart sociologist mo asadi says jinnah was communal..

FYI for Sanatani:

Achyuth Patwardhan, one of the Socialist stalwarts in the Congress, has given a remarkably candid and self critical analysis of the Congress Party vis-a-vis Khilafat:

’It is, however, useful to recognise our share of this error of misdirection. To begin with, I am convinced that looking back upon the course of development of the freedom movement, THE ’HIMALAYAN ERROR’ of Gandhiji’s leadership was the support he extended on behalf of the Congress and the Indian people to the Khilafat Movement at the end of the World War I. This has proved to be a disastrous error which has brought in its wake a series of harmful consequences. On merits, it was a thoroughly reactionary step. The Khilafat was totally unworthy of support of the Progressive Muslims. Kemel Pasha established this solid fact by abolition of the Khilafat. The abolition of the Khilafat was widely welcomed by enlightened Muslim opinion the world over and Kemel was an undoubted hero of all young Muslims straining against Imperialist domination. But apart from the fact that Khilafat was an unworthy reactionary cause, Mahatma Gandhi had to align himself with a sectarian revivalist Muslim Leadership of clerics and maulvis. He was thus unwittingly responsible for jettisoning sane, secular, modernist leadership among the Muslims of India and foisting upon the Indian Muslims a theocratic orthodoxy of the Maulvis. Maulana Mohammed Ali’s speeches read today appear strangely incoherent and out of tune with the spirit of secular political freedom. The Congress Movement which released the forces of religious liberalism and reform among the Hindus, and evoked a rational scientific outlook, placed the Muslims of India under the spell of orthodoxy and religious superstition by their support to the Khilafat leadership. Rationalist leaders like Jinnah were rebuffed by this attitude of Congress and Gandhi. This is the background of the psychological rift between Congress and the Muslim League’.


So it is not as simple as you make it out to be.

What a pathetic and simplistic exposition from a pathetic and simplistic mind that sanatani is.

Jinnah was not always in the Muslim League and did not always espouse a separate country for Muslims. He did so as a last resort.

I suppose Gandhi was secular with his ram rajya, support for khilafat and half naked marches.