Talking to Jamil Dehlavi about Infinite Justice and More

Ahmedmadani sahib,

#93

Thanks. You have explained it very well. Gandhi wud have been an even bigger success and won even more Oscars if they had included a song and dance sequence. Maybe a young MKG and Kasturba dancing around a tree and singing songs.

Jinnah also had a lot of potential which the director did not pick up. They cud have shown:

MAJ(pbuh) and Ruttie having a song and dance sequence in the Bombay monsoons.
The villainous Dinshaw Petit refusing to give his daughter in marriage to a Momin and telling her "Kaan khol ke sun lo" and Ruttie and MAJ (pbuh) defiantly running away.
MAJ (pbuh) himself playing spoilsport to his daughter's marriage plan and Dina running away.

I am afraid JD missed a few tricks.

Regards

Re: # 92
JD should look forward to produce movie on ZAB and BB there is all drama all awams like.

Re: # 92
A successful movie needs drama, personal, political evenfarcical any way. Without drama there is not movie its documentary. Gandhi was produced by Bombay movie professionls and they knew how to produce good movie. Production was helped and bankrolled by GOI. They had Gandhi who's life is full of drama, life open and screen of how things went and people and struggle went on. His transformation from meek dark suit booted lawyer to a revolutionary making revolution in revolution and cofounding and stunning his opponents. Along with quotations from jewshish pern mr. Einstein helped lot. It journey of great transformation and leading of masses people unfortunately forgeting intelluctual greatness of Jinnah. It is unfortunate. As you know shallow people of hindustan like movies full of mello drama and all lectuerbazi tamasha.

Great Jinnah movie was failure due to lack of drama in movie and hero for general level people. The movie is quite intelluctual and needs some base to appreciate the move of serious nature as movie potraying great muslim of centuries giving birth to the largest muslim nation on earth and his intelluctual efforts. Awam likes tamasha as was Gandhi full of MASALA which jinnah was a meaty movie and needing culture as to enjoy culture you have to be cultured. Jinnah was playing all moves with great precision as chess player and outclassing everybody of that time.
Director choose wrong subject as Awam can not go and enjoy Jinnah as no dram there and without dramatic doings of hero , jinnah was like great mathematician like newton , Libnitz, Euler working on TNT seriously and making worlds largest Muslim nation on world. For success you need drama so it failed in popular imagination and did not catch fire. Like in england even at that time some faltu cricket swinging man was popular than sir Issac Newton. Popularity many times shows shallowness and vulgarity and down to earthness of personality as in Mr. Gandhis case as you can see his profane attraction to low class hindus to people of intelligence like mandela and drak mr. King.( as his life was drama or dramatic) He was cheater as everybody thought the thinks like them ordinary people. Gandhi was tragic man and Jinnah had defeated Gandhi and made pakistan and as you know about tragedies. Gandhi was defeated on field by jinnah and believer have defied his message ofso called "popular" as they are now as in usa and uk decadent white countries full of bad stuff and elites thinking. People are damn crazy , look we know shakesphere as man who wrote Hamlet, Othello, Mcbeth, Kinglear, julisis Ceazar all tragedies. Gandhis tragedy or his departure was dramatic comapred to mr. Jinnah's end dieing like mortal of disease. helped lot as end is great for tragic awam.

JD made mistake of rying to make movie on jinnah and tried to create nonexisting drama.

Govt of india and NRI put lots of money to make nomiinations to Oscar election. As everybody knows jews are talented and they dominate cinema in usa. Gov sent them free copies and money in cash and they spread money to all sorts of people which GOP refused to do. Also in usa it was subsidised by GOI and spent 1.5 billion dollars type money to "run" movies. All NRI got free tickets so movie went where indians were concentrated.
White just refused to see and most who saw said India is just country of hindus worshipping cows.

Now real movie god will be finally shown on general tv in white countries by news tv companies then it is popular. BUT Gandhi was never shown for general people in white countirs. In india it is silly many people homeless go there sleep in theater and eat peanuts and make dirt.

JD if wnts to be successful need to produce movie with drama. He need to study Bombay movie formula.

I have no good knowlege about movie business.
Good day

Ras,

Why did the Jinnah movie fall apart?

Regards

RE: #87 Dost_Mittar

JD was himself born in Calcutta.
I guess that Indo-Pak covers all of South Asia.
The correct terminology here would be Indian-Pakistani-French.....

RE: Manto & others,
We could concentrate on the fact that the Gandhi picture
was a success and Jinnah was not. The reason does not have to be either the persona of either of them but we need to
look at why the Jinnah movie project totally fell apart and why the Gandhi movie was seen worldwide and was a big hit.
This has nothing to do with racist-casteist...
Pakistanis need to look at themselves for Jinnah's failure.

RE: Tahir #88, no insanity here, but sometimes it is alright to plead just that on CHOWK.

All, any comments on Infinite Justice?

Ras

I didn't know Dude was a gali. I am sorry.

#88 by tahir

You are partially insane, get yourself treated before its too late.

Tahir yaar, you shouldn't be calling Harimau (ISlamIslam) insane because it was your very own compatriot Yasser (MantoLives) who called Jesus a dude in #8.

#8 Posted by MantoLives on February 11, 2008 2:17:41 am

As for Gandhi being a saint. Yes and 3 billion people also believe that some dude Jesus Christ was the son of God. Perception and "belief" doesn't mean anything. Facts are everything. Gandhi was a racist casteist Hindu fascist bigot.

Re: # 37

You are partially insane, get yourself treated before its too late.

Jesus was not a dude, DUDE!

Look at your own perversion before you start accusing prophets.

Any comments about Raam, Sita etc.?

Shanti

Ras Saheb:

How is Jamil Indo- ? If he is Indo, so is every Pakistani above a certain age whose parents were born before the partition.

Re: # 84 I strongly second what RAS said , get back to article. Please no unrelated things.
There great demand may be dormant to for movies. Some govt help along with grants/donations from big business build some good state of art movie theatres and be run by good successful managers.
It is sad to see paksiani directors art works can not be shown due to lack of good movie theatres.
Mr.Arjun, Manto and all politically over oriented people go to political type articles and write there not here.

Re: # 81 thank you RAS. Your gravitas could stop this exchange - which I termed boring, and tedious and made a similar request in #17 is it that way back......

Red rag bull all come to mind....

Could we please stick to the article and its topic?

Ras

Ras,

Ok.

Who is Brig (Retd) Niaz who is being given much prominence in the
media. He is reputed to be an instructor of General (Retd) Musharaf
and currently is being viewed as the Grand Deal maker of Musraraf's
dying dispensation.


Brig. Niaz who hails from village Dharnial Tehsil Pind Dadan (where
majority profess to be followers of Ahmadi sect) was a sepoy clerk in
the Army. Due to shortage of officers after partition the Army started
a scheme whereby sepoy clerks were inducted into the officer ranks.
Brig Niaz was amongst those who benefited from this scheme. Brig Niaz
was amongst the three Brigadiers who played General Zia's game very
cleverly in 1977 in Lahore during the PNA movement in the sense that
they refused to come to the aid of an elected civil Government when it
wanted to quell violence unleashed by the Mullah dominated alliance.
The lawlessness in the country was later used as a pretext to impose
Martial Law. Contrast this to the officer's corps willingness to go on
killing a spree in Baluchistan, FATA, and Swat etc in order to save
the unelected Government of an Army dictator. In retrospect the
refusal to obey a civilian Governments order during a mullah lead
campaign also confirms existence of Mullah – Military Alliance.


After retirement from the Army Brig. Niaz started a food outlet in
Lalkurti area of Rawalpindi Cantonment. His luck changed when General
Zia Ul Haq summoned him and Brig (Retd) Ashraf Gondal (the other Brig
at Lahore in 1977) and introduced them to the executives of Swedish
(Ericsson) and Swiss (Orlikon) firms who were in the process of
receiving huge Defense supply orders from the Army. Both these
Brigadiers acted as front men for Zia Ul Haq. Multimillion dollars
orders were placed for Law Altitude Defense Radars (LADS) with
Ericsson of Sweden and for anti aircraft guns Orlikons with the Swiss
Company. It is reported that these two deals netted a commission of
nearly 100 million US Dollars which these Brigadiers shared with
Zia Ul Haq.


After becoming a millionaire in Dollar terms Brig. Niaz started living
lavishly and entertaining lavishly. Parvaiz Musharaf was amongst the
group of officers who were regularly supplied with all sorts of booze
and other things in life courtesy the Brigadier who also employed Col.
(Retd) Aslam Cheema a course mate and best friend (closer then Tariq
Aziz) of Musharraf and after Musharraf's uncle retired he too was
appointed as an office Manager in Niaz's Business.


After Musharaf became the President Cheema became the main Defense
supplier and a partner of Niaz. Both have managed to snatch the
agencies of old established defense agents by forcing the suppliers to
change agents if they wanted business in Pakistan. Over the last four
years Cheema and Niaz (both Ahmedi's) have managed to secure following
businesses:-


1) Supply of tank engines for Al - Khalid & Al- Zarar tanks
from Ukraine – worth nearly 500 millions US Dollars.


2) Supply of Early warning system for Air force from SAAB
Sweden worth 1.2 Billion US Dollars. This deal signed one week after
the earthquake of October 2005 was originally for 650 Million US
Dollars. Niaz over invoiced it by US Dollars 550 million. What a rape
of a poor country's resources.


In addition Niaz & Cheema are now the biggest contractor/suppliers in
Civil Departments. One of their front Companies will be building the
new GHQ worth billions of rupees. Obviously Mush gets a big share of
this bounty.


Niaz's recommendation matters the most in securing promotions and good
postings both in the Army as well as on the Civilian side.

Hi Manto, VRV, arjun, majumdar etc.

Could we please get back to Infinite Justice and

Jamil Dehlavi?

Has anyone seen this movie yet?

Ras

Re: # 78

Look beyond personal knowledge, as someone born in an Ahmadi family, I have no evidence of it.

But surely you can produce a single Ahmadi success story in India... like you keep parading Premji as some sort of an achievement.