Ras Siddiqui February 9, 2008
#7 Posted by majumdar on February 11, 2008 1:34:43 am
Manto mian,
(Government of India bankrolled Gandhi the movie as a major propaganda effort ... )
Unfortunately all that money has gone waste. Thanks to you everyone knows MKG for what he is - a Hindu racist, fascist, casteist, misogynist bigoted freak.
Regards
(Government of India bankrolled Gandhi the movie as a major propaganda effort ... )
Unfortunately all that money has gone waste. Thanks to you everyone knows MKG for what he is - a Hindu racist, fascist, casteist, misogynist bigoted freak.
Regards
#6 Posted by VRV on February 11, 2008 1:23:26 am
Yasser,
Jinnah is critically accliamed? U mean 8 Oscars?
Jinnah was a known drinker. He use to drink whiskey everyday.
Like it or nor not, Gandhi's a saint politician and Jinnah's a butcher of a million ppl. Of course his successors outdid him in Bengal.
I agree that time is a great leveller. W see that in Pakistan everyday/week.
Jinnah is critically accliamed? U mean 8 Oscars?
Jinnah was a known drinker. He use to drink whiskey everyday.
Like it or nor not, Gandhi's a saint politician and Jinnah's a butcher of a million ppl. Of course his successors outdid him in Bengal.
I agree that time is a great leveller. W see that in Pakistan everyday/week.
#5 Posted by MantoLives on February 10, 2008 9:35:29 pm
Ras,
Some people have a habit of over-reacting. Forgive them.
VRV,
Drinking and being a drunkard are two different things. If Saadat Hassan Manto's "Mera Sahab" is any indication, Jinnah had little red wine with dinner. Considering the movie was made in a budget less than 1/10th of Gandhi the movie 15 years later, it wasn't a bad movie at all.
The weaklink in the movie was Shashi Kapoor and his character who were better left out.
The movie was critically acclaimed and was released on DVD and did pretty alright. Ofcourse the Government of Pakistan did not bankroll it like Government of India bankrolled Gandhi the movie as a major propaganda effort ...
On another note vis a vis the article... I think Sir Christopher Lee and Richard Lintern played the part of Jinnah well. Lee was close to 73 whe he appeared in the movie and did not at all look like a Dracula.
Lee looked honest, upright, straightforward and scrupulous just like Jinnah was hailed by even his worst opponents including that snivelling little freak Gandhi.
One can also say that Sir Ben Kingsley played the part of Gandhi very well... Ben Kingsley now fits the profile of Gandhi- the snivelling, two timing deceptive dishonest crook ... much better. Infact that is the role Kingsley has been portraying in almost all of his newer films.
Time is a great leveller.
Some people have a habit of over-reacting. Forgive them.
VRV,
Drinking and being a drunkard are two different things. If Saadat Hassan Manto's "Mera Sahab" is any indication, Jinnah had little red wine with dinner. Considering the movie was made in a budget less than 1/10th of Gandhi the movie 15 years later, it wasn't a bad movie at all.
The weaklink in the movie was Shashi Kapoor and his character who were better left out.
The movie was critically acclaimed and was released on DVD and did pretty alright. Ofcourse the Government of Pakistan did not bankroll it like Government of India bankrolled Gandhi the movie as a major propaganda effort ...
On another note vis a vis the article... I think Sir Christopher Lee and Richard Lintern played the part of Jinnah well. Lee was close to 73 whe he appeared in the movie and did not at all look like a Dracula.
Lee looked honest, upright, straightforward and scrupulous just like Jinnah was hailed by even his worst opponents including that snivelling little freak Gandhi.
One can also say that Sir Ben Kingsley played the part of Gandhi very well... Ben Kingsley now fits the profile of Gandhi- the snivelling, two timing deceptive dishonest crook ... much better. Infact that is the role Kingsley has been portraying in almost all of his newer films.
Time is a great leveller.
#4 Posted by ejazharoon on February 10, 2008 4:05:27 pm
To paraphrase what they say about Wall Street, "The only way to make a small fortune in the movie business is to start with a large fortune and make a movie or two".
#3 Posted by VRV on February 10, 2008 12:51:28 pm
Ras,
I really dont know if u form part of the Pakistani intelligentsia or not.
I may have over-reacetd but the fact cant be taken away that Jamil had scr**ed-up the movie big time. Poor conception (i.e Jinnah is in heaven), editing & poor screen-play. Jamil Dehlavi is therefore responsible!
I saw it a few months ago & it's a low-grade movie (& I am glad that noboy takes it seriously). Btw, u can see this Google video. The print quality is good.
I really dont know if u form part of the Pakistani intelligentsia or not.
I may have over-reacetd but the fact cant be taken away that Jamil had scr**ed-up the movie big time. Poor conception (i.e Jinnah is in heaven), editing & poor screen-play. Jamil Dehlavi is therefore responsible!
I saw it a few months ago & it's a low-grade movie (& I am glad that noboy takes it seriously). Btw, u can see this Google video. The print quality is good.
#2 Posted by Ras on February 10, 2008 11:53:41 am
I forgot to ask him if Madubala was his relative?
http://www.screenindia.com/fullstory.php?content_id=18791
RE:V RV #1,No offence taken, but I am surprised at your
(over) reaction. I am glad that I am not a part of Pakistani intelligentia in your books.
I did not wish to gloss over "Jinnah" during the interview.
All I have seen of the movie was an obviously pirated and grainy copy and do not remember enough of the details. I was sorry to see that the movie was not promoted and would have liked to have seen a quality print.
Maybe Prof Ahmed and Dehlavi can clarify their positions
right here on CHOWK?
Ras
http://www.screenindia.com/fullstory.php?content_id=18791
RE:V RV #1,No offence taken, but I am surprised at your
(over) reaction. I am glad that I am not a part of Pakistani intelligentia in your books.
I did not wish to gloss over "Jinnah" during the interview.
All I have seen of the movie was an obviously pirated and grainy copy and do not remember enough of the details. I was sorry to see that the movie was not promoted and would have liked to have seen a quality print.
Maybe Prof Ahmed and Dehlavi can clarify their positions
right here on CHOWK?
Ras
#1 Posted by VRV on February 10, 2008 10:29:28 am
No offence meant to Ras but the person being presented here is a rotten mind. I thought it's Prof. Ahmed alone from "American" University who did the project 'Jinnah'.
Ppl can make out from the video links given here. If nobody knows or talks abt the film Jinnah, it's bcoz it's badly conceived and made.
The maker of the film was jerky and shows Nehru and Edwina in the bed room all the time. If they are not shown in bedroom, they are shown as making some suggestive dialogues apart from lewd gestures.
Lady Jinnah was shown as a drunkard - as if Jinnah was not!
We can make atleast a dozen points that made this film stink like a rotten egg.
Whatever my disagreements abt Jinnah, he's a hero to Pakistanis and there's a better of protraying him. If that's the only way then it also reflects on the intellegentisia of Pakistan. They are tasteless, unaesthetic & gaudy morons.
It's doesnt need an elaborate analysis here when the whole world had forgotten abt the film. Even discussing the other films of Jamil would be a waste of time given the nature of Jamil's rotten mind.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7281352336057332457&q=Jinnah& amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp;total=463&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
h ttp://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5804746583783141087&q=Jinnah&t otal=463&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2
Ppl can make out from the video links given here. If nobody knows or talks abt the film Jinnah, it's bcoz it's badly conceived and made.
The maker of the film was jerky and shows Nehru and Edwina in the bed room all the time. If they are not shown in bedroom, they are shown as making some suggestive dialogues apart from lewd gestures.
Lady Jinnah was shown as a drunkard - as if Jinnah was not!
We can make atleast a dozen points that made this film stink like a rotten egg.
Whatever my disagreements abt Jinnah, he's a hero to Pakistanis and there's a better of protraying him. If that's the only way then it also reflects on the intellegentisia of Pakistan. They are tasteless, unaesthetic & gaudy morons.
It's doesnt need an elaborate analysis here when the whole world had forgotten abt the film. Even discussing the other films of Jamil would be a waste of time given the nature of Jamil's rotten mind.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-7281352336057332457&q=Jinnah& amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; amp;total=463&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
h ttp://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-5804746583783141087&q=Jinnah&t otal=463&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2
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