Talking to Jamil Dehlavi about Infinite Justice and More

Re: # 30

So in other words you have no source for your claim.

Now do you have source for "Amir of Dinia" crap? The talks you refer to took place in 1944 and not 1946. So you are basically not talking truthfully.

#22 by MantoLives

In 1947 he was the best man for the job and that is why he took it ... to stop India's daddy the erstwhile gora-master Mountbatten from claiming Pakistan as well.

Regardless of the circumstances, if Jinnah had to be remembered as a statesman, he would have refused power like Gandhi did. Instead, he jumped at the offer to become GG. That says it all.

As for murder of innocents... all that has to do with the way Congress and Mountbatten planned Gurdaspur tragedy.

This is like starting a wildfire in a forest and then complaining about some trees getting burnt. Gandhi wanted to avoid Partition, even at the cost of letting Jinnah be the PM of a united India. Yet the man refused and then here we have Yasser complaining about the Gurdaspur "tragedy" (thank God for the Radcliffe line, or the folks leading a peaceful life in Qadian today would have had to look forward to the day they wouldn't be able to even call themselves Muslims in public).

harish mian,

Gandhi did not refuse any power. He was not offered any.

As for Jinnah... he announced his decision to be the GG in mid July ... whole month after June 3rd plan after it became clear that GGship would fall to Mountbatten who was partisan.

I know many Ahmadis and Qadianis from Qadian. They live in abject poverty and absolute squalor. Many of them still marry off their daughters to Pakistani Ahmadis despite your claim that my father's community can't call themselves Muslims (this is a claim which is only true as far as some statute book goes.... the court has applied Hanafi Islamic inheritance law to divide my father's assets... so much for him not being a Muslim).

So why don't we discuss these issues on a logical plain and abstain from making comments about a community you know nothing about.

PS: I am not complaining about anything. We are talking about violence in Punjab.

Many of those Muslims killed in 1947 by Hindu and Sikh hordes were Ahmadis. So Radcliffe not only left the few Ahmadis in India left in absolute poverty but had many of them killed.

Ref MantoLives #8

[As for Gandhi being a saint. Yes and 3 billion people also believe that some dude Jesus Christ was the son of God.]

Yasser, dear boy, go on and add "And 1.5 billion people believe that an illiterate Arab goatherd was a Prophet."

Come, on. You can do it. Just try it once.

[Perception and "belief" doesn't mean anything. Facts are everything. Gandhi was a racist casteist Hindu fascist bigot.]

And Mohammad was a pervert.

Are you challenging my belief? I personally consider Muhammad a great figure of history and a leader of men who invokes unquestionable loyalty amongst people even today.
He was - as he said himself- an ordinary mortal who lived like an ordinary mortal.

But do you think by taking this line of argument, you are strengthening or weakening my argument, when I for one reject the "other-worldiness" and "spiritual" altogether.

Mantolives,

What's the source of your claim that Ahmadis living in Qadian are living in poverty?

Aamir of Dinia is my name for Jinnah who wanted to be the Emperor of India though be became Emperor of Pakistan as a consolation.

His megalomania was well established in how he took all the powers to himself in the newly established GGship. So his mentality is to lord over the ppl. That's why I called Aamir of Dinia.

#31 Posted by MantoLives on February 11, 2008 3:22:22 am


India had Hyderabad, Delhi, UP, parts of Kerala... pockets of large Muslim populations.

Can you think of similar areas in Pakistan or Bangladesh.


yes..it proves your point that you've wiped out your minority to the point where it's less than 3% of your population...5% max if we include ahmedis like you...

pureland..land of the pure...95% pure and getting purer everyday...

It is a fact. Can you name an important Ahmadi businessman, doctor, lawyer, civil servant etc in India? Don't name Justice A N Ahmadi because he was not Ahmadi but a simple sunni Muslim as far as I know

Now how about your source for your lies that you came up with earlier?

Re: # 40

Again apples and oranges. The issue here was Gandhi's Congress Party's ethnic cleansing and genocide of Muslims in East Punjab ... which accounted for most of the violence in 1947's partition.

Let us stick to the topic

#41 Posted by MantoLives on February 11, 2008 3:53:38 am


did your dad have muslim last rites?

is he buried in a muslim graveyard?

1. Yes. And many non-Ahmadis- including some Jamaat-e-Islami members attended the funeral services.

2. Yes...Ahmadis have been organizing and operating their own exclusive communal graveyards since 1908, as have Shias, and some Sunnis. So your point is ridiculous.

PS; Suffice to say, my father lived and died as a Pakistani and was extremely well respected by all he knew as an honest man of integrity ... whose funeral was attended by several top politicians and businessmen of Punjab.

For me personally it shattered the myth of "bad ahmadi" and Nazi-style discrimination taught to me entirely on Chowk.

Ofcourse there are many problems but it certainly isn't how idiots like arjun-m and jayp portray it.

Manto

Ahmadis are undergoing state sponsored discrimination in Pakistan. Ahmadis are not muslim enough. For the mullahs. And you claim Islam is egalitarian ???

If not for Iran… Sunni mullahs would have declared shia as heretic too

" Yes...Ahmadis have been organizing and operating their own exclusive communal graveyards since 1908, as have Shias, and some Sunnis. So your point is ridiculous. "....... Egalatarian islamic society

Ananth...

Like I said my late father's life and the manner of his last rites is proof enough of the fact that the post-1974 discrimination against Ahmadis exists largely on paper.

As for Islam being egalitarian... while I am not a believer in anything, try asking an Ahmadi if he think Islam is egalitarian or not.