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#64

In India Ahmadi’s passport will show them as “muslim”….. In Pakistan after marriage the pakistani passport will show the same person as ‘non-muslim”….. not allowed to perform hajjj….

Fine. But how many Ahmadi success stories do you have in India?

FYI... if an Ahmadi from India was to declare to Saudis that he was an Ahmadi Muslim, he would not be allowed to perform Hajj.. because Saudis don't allow Ahmadis hajj.

So the only way an Ahmadi can peform hajj, whether a Pakistani, Indian, American, British or Ugandan is by claiming that he is either a shia or a sunni Muslim.

Manto..

Is it not humialtaing to lie about your religion to perform hajj…. Things may only get tougher .

Indian passport says a person is “muslim” if he wants to be called a muslim …. That’s what a ahmadi is by “choice”….. In pakistan he is called “non-muslim” in his passport….. he does not have a choice…..

Re: # 64 Ahmadi is basically a Punjabi religion just like Sikh religion.Later on however Ahmadis made converts in Europe,Africa and many parts of Asia.

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Can an Ahmedi in Pakistan recite the Kalima..If he does, he risks blasphemy and the consequences for that is death..

Manto mian,

There is a puzzle here. INC and MKG were bloodthirsty fascists who were out for Muslim blood in Punjab but not elsewhere in India including Bengal (the other province which got partitioned). Looks like INC/MKG were not only fascists but also suffering from split personalities.

Regards

Re #68, "Indian passport says a person is “muslim” ..."

Indian passport has a religion entry! Is this correct?

Re: Khurram: No, an Indian passport does not mention ones religion.

Khurram,

No. Indian passport does not have Religion, yet. Mercifully.

Regards

Indian passport states the religion of a person as he per the applicants desire....... does not change the persons religion as Pakistan does...

Re: # 75 so you can leave it blank and no entry is made? is that correct

64 Posted by MantoLives on February 11, 2008 5:02:48 am


But despite that Ahmadis from India throng to get their children married to Ahmadis in Pakistan so that they can live in Pakistan.


And I presume you have some evidence to back that up...preferably, evidence that isn't tainted with the remains of last night's meal..

Majumdar,

Yaar ... I don't expect such simplistic arguments from you. Are you denying that Muslims, including Ahmadis, were butched en masse in East Punjab? If your objection is to my painting Congress as wholely responsible for it... then you should know that this was a counter-point to the outrageous claim that Jinnah and the Muslim League some how caused this, which doesn't make any historical sense.

Ananth,

You've missed the point altogether. I am not condoning Pakistan's current status which I think is the very negation of the ideal of Pakistan (Read "Rest in peace Pakistan")... my point was a factual one. An Ahmadi from India cannot perform hajj unless he impliedly or explicity states that he is a Non-Ahmadi.


Salman B. Khan,

It is not blasphemy but there is an outrageous law that may be construed to disallow them.

However the courts have allowed the use of Quran and Muslim forms of worship as they are integral to Ahmadi Islam which follows the Hanafi sunnism.

My father, who has been brought up here, was a very religious man though very personally... his office was full of Islamic religious symbols including the Kalima and he was never harassed for it.

Re: # 78

Look beyond personal knowledge, as someone born in an Ahmadi family, I have no evidence of it.

But surely you can produce a single Ahmadi success story in India... like you keep parading Premji as some sort of an achievement.