Pakistan Elections 2008 - An analysis

Re: # 327

romair,

... captain, blaming palestine for all our problems is like me blaming the indian gujus in new jersey for my rapidly expanding waistline - i don't have to stop by every dunkin donut ...... israel is just a bogey man used by the ummah as an excuse for their own failures .........

tahmed32,

Watch this interview first and give me your comments:

http://pkpolitics.com/2008/02/15/better-pakistan-15-february-08/

Re: # 333

" Perhaps the taliban would have mellowed over time as you say - but this then begs the question: mellowed into what? That is - would they have mellowed into.."

Never under-estimate the greed and hunger of the mullahs. Remember, that the Islamists started getting bolder with the Shia Ayotollahs in Iran and since then the Ayotollahs have really turned into vicious war mongers with their latest alsatian dog being that idiot Ahmedijan.
Thr mullahs are the real threat to the civil society anywhere and especially in Pakistan. Their power to influence civil and other institutions is immense they aim to use the democratic institutions to SUBVERT democracy itself!!
Unless the mullahs are dis-qualified from participating in the elections nothing would comoe out of elections. Jehad would remain on the agenda of Pakistani "democracy" and it would continue burning for a long time.

Re: # 333

tahmed,

..... stop trying to present us with your version of islam until you have personally talked to a winged creature - and no, talking to peter pan at disney world does not count !

..... islam is what it is and we should set it aside - wrap it up in a velvet cover and put it up on top of the bookcase where children cannot get to it ....... if we try to unwrap the velvet cover we will let loose the denizens of hell like the house of saud, zeemax, the taliban and the witches of lal masjid ......

zeemax #310 The thing I would stress is the process through which laws (including punishments for various crimes) are established, interpreted and carried out. Perhaps the taliban would have mellowed over time as you say - but this then begs the question: mellowed into what? That is - would they have mellowed into

1. following the democratic process, in particular having themselves held accountable to the people by submitting to free and fair elections?

2. meting out milder punishments while maintaining their autocratic rule (claiming they received their mandate from God, not from the Afghan people)?

If 1., and assuming that 99% of Afghans sincerely wish to follow the Quranic injunctions, then the democratic process would have led to a free and open debate on the message of the Quran in Afghanistan. And the Taliban would be dead meat in such a debate - because it could be easily demonstrated their "islam" is not that of the Quran but that of the primitive tribal pathan society. That their "islam" is in fact nothing more than the very jehaliyat that Islam did away with in 7th century Arabia and gave birth to a 4-5 centuries when muslims were the torchbearers of civilization.

If 2., then of course Afghans would continue to have their lives in a "might is right" society - with the hope that the man in power would not be a psychopath who thinks stoning women to death or having public beheadings in soccer stadiums is a great way to promote morality.

#331 Posted by pavocavalry,

Don't worry too much about it. It's a ritual monkey dance which hindoos have in breeding season!

it is humbly suggested that such unparliamentary language should not be used on this forum.

with utmost humility and respect

Agha

#328/329 Posted by queen_cut_paste,

Aah ... I see you too found where you emerged from. Congrats. Didn't know that foto would be so many's ancestor!

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anil #: "Oil consuming economies want to get back in a seat somehow, somewhere, so that Oil is never under a unified block of people living on the top of the land"

isn't there a contradiction here.......the oil consuming ecnomies go out of there way to ensure that the products are services they control and have a monopoly over, are not allowed out to anyone else.......even vaccines for aids are not allowed to be produced, much more cheaply, as a generic drug, so that they are affordable by people in africa.....pfiezer and all ensure their patents are protected by the govt. of the usa......

why, then, should and would, the oil producing countries not do the same........

"Oil consuming economies will never allow Nuclear Weapons to be injected in the region where Oil is, so long as oil remains the primary source of energy..."

the oil producing region starts from iraq and ends in iran....and it starts from central asia and ends in iran as well.......the whole region would thus include the border states, as well, i.e. israel and pakistan........

israel and pakistan already have nukes......so nukes have already been introduced into the region.......now iran is after them.......how will the usa stop iran from obtanining nukes, if there is, "no short term or longer term nonsense on Iran.."

considering the fact that the west's (read usa's) policies in the middle east have backfired one after the other, don't you think it is time for the usa to have rethink on its middle east policies........

perhaps, if the usa ensures a two-state palestine solution based on 67 borders (which the arabs have accepted), most if not all, of its oil problems will be solved.......arabs will sell oil to the usa and usa will give them ipods........and everyone will be happy.......

there is a big elephant in the room........i.e. israel-palestine.....if the usa looks at it, instead of trying to walk around it all the time, things would get easier........

#325 Posted by dost_mittar,

That's right, but you wouldn't have heard of any case since. That case was more about Royal intrigues for power than about adultery.

zee:

I don't know about mandatory but a few years ago there was a famous case involving, I think, a saudi woman from a royal family who was sentenced to death for adultery.

#323 Posted by dost_mittar,

Adultery does not carry a mandatory capital sentence in either Saudia or Sudan which are currently the only countries ruled by Sharia alone.

As for blasphemy, that's not a social offense but a religious one (as is apostasy), and both carry automatic mandatory death sentences even in semi-sharia jurisprudence as in Pakistan. Reason is that both these offenses, if proven without doubt, are considered unmitigable under any circumstances.

zee:

"Saudia too awards mandatory capital punishment for drugs and murder, but not for any other stuff"

What about adultery? I am not sure about blasphemy, either.

anil writes ""There is no short term or longer term nonsense on Iran, that you are talking about. None, whatsoever."

I was given advice to ignore nonsense by morons like you who keep following me like a jamadar. Short term means in the next 4 years of the presidential term, learn how to read moron, longer term means after the next term or maybe two....You need to think about the US iraq campaign and that it did not develop into a land invasion/occupation overnight...