Pakistan Elections 2008 - An analysis

anil writes "
Massaddi Mian:

"...Logical speculation..."

Quite oxymoronic. Please learn something. "


Actually you need to "learn something", Harvard Business School graduate with an email address to prove! lol

Empirical speculation would be oxymoronic, logical specualtion would not. How are you going to speculate with any semblance of realism if you dont connect your thoughts logically?

Re: # 316

Massaddi Mian:

"....a short term adventure into Iran, ... if a longer term Iran campaign is needed..."

You are completely out of your depth. It does not come as a surprise. Just remember, you read it here first, "There is no short term or longer term nonsense on Iran, that you are talking about. None, whatsoever."

The interest of all sane parties is purely ensuring continuity, and protection of humans living in oil consuming economies. Soon competition for resources will introduce one more factor missing from the colonial times, that is equitable distribution of wealth and profits which will go to oil producing economies.

Oil consuming economies want to get back in a seat somehow, somewhere, so that Oil is never under a unified block of people living on the top of the land, till such time the oil becomes irrelevant and alternative economies and technologies are in place. Or till people living over the land that has oil underneath, come in to Law of Comity of Nations, and a new economic order for equitable sharing of underground, on the ground and overground (solar) energy resources has been put in place.

Under this new order, Iraq cannot remain united as it was under the Baathists. A completely different leadership must emerge there, which can manage transition of oil resources from Sunni Controlled Baathists, to Shia controlled Iraqis.

Iran will get its fair and honorable position in the world scene. No one can stop it. Oil consuming economies will never allow Nuclear Weapons to be injected in the region where Oil is, so long as oil remains the primary source of energy. Read Oil Consuming Economies, and Never.

Result of relentless Iranian pursuit will be a more powerful, and a democratic Iranian Identity, with 65% women students in Universities defining empowerment in uniquely Iranian way. The way that delivers those things that bombing democracy into Iraq was supposed to deliver, but did not deliver. The comity of nation is a witness to it, colonials lost in the past, Iran will prevail.

Comity of Nations have ways to come back from brinkmanship and accept a new forces and reorganize itself. In other terms it is also called, recognizing a new Dada (street fighter) and his territory (=space).

What is this space for Iran, and what must oil consuming economies pay is unknown.

Denuclear Democratic Iran, and Corrupt and Sadistic Saudi, Monarchs, with splintered Iraq the scene is acceptable to oil consuming economies. It is nothing more than basic law of economics - demand and supply. And how to balance and manage it.

Oil is around Basra - a shia region - there is nothing for Islamic red-necks like you and your running dogs, unless Iran invites you.

This is something oil consuming economies need to negotiate with Iran (a democracy) and Saudis (a corrupt despotic monarchy with your 7th century in action).

In this splintered Iraq, oil will be under shia influence of Iran. What is the "additonal operating cost" is the question for oil consuimg economies. It means the additional cost oil consuming economies must pay for this protectorateship of Iraqi oil as it passes from Sunni Baathist of Iraq to Shias of Iraq + Iran.

Is this a manageable balance? If so, new Lawrence of Arabia Tony Blair, will emerge. He is now the middle east ambassador for The Four, the U.S., EU, Russia and China. Note the last two also. This is as far as oil consuming economies are concerned. None of this has anything to do with Pakistan, only an Islamic red-neck like you will advance its chips on others testasterones.

Please note that Pakistan will loose importance, the moment it is de-nuked, and it is ensured that the largest standing muslim Army does not fall in the hands of Islamic red-necks like you and your running dogs.

There is no other strategic interest in Pakistan, till it reinvents into an economic mircale due to its proximity to resource rich part of the world and economic growth parts of the world. This reinvention is what is needed, it does not need Islamic red-necks. Like red-necks elsewhere, they must be marginalized and remain marginalized for such a Pakistan to emerge. It is almost Allah sent, that Islamic red-necks have started fighting the army. Can this fighting ensure that the largest standing muslim army will not fall in the hands of Islamic Red-Necks like? Is what will decide, if Pakistan remains unified or is balkanized.

In best scenario, should allow Pakistani Punjab to marginalize or clear out Islamic red-necks and send them to FATA etc. This is the largest part which can propel unified Pakistan into economic miracle. India needs to, and it will ensure that these red-necks do not cross into east side of the border.

Please do not worry, just as Islamic red-necks like you, use, CIAs can and will also use, your 7th Century to Mills par course to ensure violence begets violence. You should not be surprised, if their messages quote the same verses that Islamic red-necks and their running dogs quote to incite violence. Of courese they will target Islamic red-necks. They may not waste on your running dogs, unless they are caught in the cross fire. Islamic red-necks can fight each other for hundred years, if they wish, in certain areas of Pakistan and Afganistan and away from world's encircled and secured oil assets with new partnerships, and also away from economic centers.

This scenario does put unified Pakistan in danger. This danger is from you and your ilk and no one else, not even Zeemax kind of islamists. Oil consuming economies can deal (tolerate) with socialist Venezuela, theocratic Saudis, and with emerging Democratic Iran, they can also deal with comity of nations with Sunni islamist views also.

This Massaddi Mian is not you will learn in 7th Century to Mills par course. Never.

#308 Posted by ahmedmadani on February 16, 2008 8:10:33 pm


but they grown on tigers milk


you're hilarious...

Re: # 316

Massaddi Mian:

"...Logical speculation..."

Quite oxymoronic. Please learn something.

I am not suggesting that Lieberman would be McCain's running mate (though it is possible) but that they are both intimately joined at the hip...

zeemax writes "Actually I still haven't figured out whom exactly is propelling this idiot Obama who isn't qualified enough to be a high-school headboy let alone the President of USA."

Logical speculation on this tells us that what has propelled him is what propelled McCain, even moreso than him. Hillary would be a more formidible opponent for McCain, as far as the political elite go she is well established. Like I said, if elite opinion is for a short term adventure into Iran, McCain and his pal Lierberman- the Israeli spy in the US senate- are their man, Hillary would be the choice if a longer term Iran campaign is needed. The Iran campaign is by the way intimately tied to Pakistan as the staging area, be it under the Israeli flag for a short term campaign- to control fallout or a longer term, hosting of US troops in large numbers...

Re: # 311 Mr. Jayp you people do not believe in deenergised water. Please note there is blind belief and also your's is mind full of blind disbelief about such meaty matters.
Do you know why most men women are suffering sex problems now ? Ii all depends on what you eat , drink and breathe. Of all water is most exhausted all enery taken out like depleted uranium is not strong as enriched. Not its kind of sad modern attempt to take that water, deenergise it( take stuff out of it) and then put carbon di oxide in water and make it more poisnous and to make sure it is deadly put chemical sugar/ saccrine so all bladders are destroyed. Over years drinkig this poisnous water men are like steer and women are bloated with poisnous water ( body is 75%) h2o they say. all fruiyts grown on such things no good taste. Now man and women is worried always as this water is killing them. Your sex guru even mentions in book ( i will not take name) most import part in sex is brain forget about other parts. And he says best way be blaessed to Calm mind and he says calm relaxed mind only can have quality stuff. He says eople have control on mind and can relax themselves can reach high state of eternal bliss. He warns about being do not be overemphasis on mechanical aspects, mental aspects are more important.Problem is that with bad stuff you yung people consuming so much water keeps you awake when all are sleeping about performance. Mind should be awake intectually and indian sex guru says when best things happen when mind is sublime and then you can feel your own pulse and he mentions mental intercourse and then mental visual etc. I really liked that book as it has less garbage information and there lot of wisdom and emphesis on sex as a mental activity of high order.
Any way people are drinking poisoned stuff as bottled water laced with gas sure vigara factories working over nights. Real things will start when its copy right is finished as little indians will be producing same molecule by different process and market same stuff with advts. all is going down. Also as that sex guru warns of over simulation , he asks Kings do other import things and preoccupy time with other things. Modern problem is ovesimulation and burning from both ends fast is problem . Atleast in Muslim countries socal life sexual content is less helps to keep things better but europe is going down fast and they can not replace themselves. And their doctors are putting more medicines in bodies of people the stuff cooked at 800 degressa and under 2000 psi and then crushing real bad stuff. Only you drink water from well is good as it is deep and when you pump up you are making it energised. Any way you stop contributing as you problem with hate , enevy and jelosy with neighbour country. Good day.

madani saab,

You can call it pakistan phobia, for us it is simple anti terrorism stand. AS more people become aware of the central role of pakistan, and its ideological roots, the world might be able to come up with some policies to contain terrorism, which also means contain pakistan.

Re: # 310 On average china execute 50,000 people each year

Re: # 308 arjun, jayp etc you provoke by your stupid outlandish statements. I will not react with you as you people have some problem and it can not be cured you have Pakistan phobia. Why you not employ your talents to write about KSE etc, real stuff I mean.

Thanks madani saab. You are one of the most hilarious posters on chowk . I really enjoyed your post on how teh water is contaminated when electricity is taken out. You should add this to the kashmir logic.

Kashmir is not like a ripening mango, it more like a trap that has drained the resources of pakistan and poverty and terrorism in pakistan is on the rise because of army and the kashmir support as required by jinnah. There is no way that pakistan can progress if the kashmir issue is not dropped and the military cut back. India should not give up anything on kashmir till pakistan is fragmented.

#290 Posted by tahmed32,

These Capital punishments are the maximum in the absence of any mitigating circumstances. Some societies may decide to award the maximum punishments automatically for some particular offenses such as possession of drugs in Singapore. Saudia too awards mandatory capital punishment for drugs and murder, but not for any other stuff. Taliban however were awarding Capital punishments for most offenses which was the result of turmoil of the revolution and would have mellowed with time. China too was doing the same till just a decade ago with executions running into hundreds of thousands a year even for petty crimes like corruption and theft.

Goldfinger, just after my post I came across this news item, from dawn of today. Take some time to reflect on the causes, it is not a contest between india and pakistan, it is a question of avoiding the insane killings, sorry, to you it may not be insane, but to many who criticse pakistan and whom you call cockroaches, this is insane. You can contribute to end this insanity be first criticising it, and then taking some responsibilit to stop it by not blaming the indians for it.

Boy confesses to suicide attack training



By Mudassir Raja


RAWALPINDI, Feb 16: A teenager arrested for his role in the murder of former prime minister Benazir Bhutto admitted in his statement before a special judicial magistrate here on Saturday that he had got training for carrying out suicide bombing and was ready to blow himself up.

Aitzaz Shah said in his statement before Magistrate Chaudhry Toufiq Ahmed that he was a Hafiz-i-Quran and studied at a madressah in his native Mansehra city. According to sources, the boy said he had developed fascination with Jihad in Karachi and gone to Waziristan to get training as a suicide bomber.

Re: # 303 mr. J you have strong brains. Many times we do not talk about under belley wounds try to hide.
It is true it is one of last left agenda to be finished. Yes all pakistanis have swore to liberate Kashmir as their national goal which also idealogical goal of liberating source of Indus and future to snatch rabi bias and satlej from india as it is god given right and water always flows as mighty all intended and no mortals can change that. Presidet and ex chief of army was student at military school in england or london and he wrote thesis for his military school and thesis was rivers of pakistan coming from india including ravi , bias and satlej. So he warned openly India not to play with fire as if indians start any damage sui gas fields / high dams of Tarbella and mangala/ sukkar barrage he will use nuclear weapons on india and india will will be history ( major cities). Thankfully mr. Wajpai understood and never made attempt to attach high dams, As if even sluice gates or power stations or generators are damaged will lead devastating situation with blow to agricuture and power. So waether you like or not pakistani people are not dead people but they grown on tigers milk and after loss East wing it emmerged even stronger and with armed nuclear assets much better than India. So struggle for kashmir is eternal. Pakistan as army state has spent and gambled too much on Kashmir assets and and will go at any length to defend the interests and waters of pakistani rivers in India and if you start building dams will lead to nuclear war. Presently all thsese is secondary as americans are at gate and sitting on head and forcing wot agenda but once this gorrilla comes down then army can pay attention to Indian problems and south and east front. Kashmir is like ripening mango and its waiting game and when raed just little push and will come tumbling on ground. Now indians are making things are in ground detrimental to soliderity of pakistani brothers and kashmiri brothers like building wuller barrage and power generation. As then kashmiri interests and pakistani do not coincide. Most important is to keep pakistan united so all can fight aginst india. So this balkanization and spittist tendencies must be crushed as China did and nationalist of ethinicity should understand gas is not baloach but pakistani. This great drama on south asia taking place is amazing by all standards and army boss president is defending democracy against problem makers. Now please do not belives numbers given to MQM. Mqm will do better as it is well organised and anti terrorist , moderate and they know blood is thicker than water. It is ok to have adulterated food but keep blood pure and ethinic unity of Mohajirs. All opponents of MQM are thugs and Unaka muh kala. I am tired of people attacking MQM.
Please help to prserve peace by peaceful nagotation and transferring K Valley to india and you can that jammu and ladakh etc its damn useless land. If Kashmir is not solved your cement can be cut and no import from india no passage way to central asia or afghanistan, no iranian gas, you can buy at higher rate and india will reduce with all people burning tires for heat. Please make people aware of solve kashmir or face superior nuclear armed rocket forces. Choice is indian also Army will like to deafeat some big group of army and force them to sing humilating kashmir departure and back stabbing in E Pakistan will avenged. Good day to ou and all indians also and all others

#304 Posted by Goldfinger on February 16, 2008 6:14:15 pm

HAHA...paki inbred retard ko mirchi lagi...

Goldfinger,

No one will care about pakistan the land of the pure if the people of pakistan had enjoyed their gifts of nature and the supreme governance.

No cockroach will care if the pakistanis were not sending terrorists the world over o kill and maim kafirs in the name of a book and as ordered by the father of their nation. It is remarkable that the jihaic training centres are in pakistan and not in saudi which is the home of islam to the world.

Clearly the hatred for other religions caming out of the pours of every pakistani is not found in any other islamic country, it is a new brand, the TNT - islam and the global terrorism has increased many fold and the children of TNT have come of age. It has to be noted that the suicide bombers so far, found in pakistan are less than 20. It clearly takes a generational change to fully poison the minds with TNT, muslims cannot live with people of other religions for which pakistan was created.