Pakistan Elections 2008 - An analysis

Re: # 304
Well arjun ,jayp and people like YLH bring fun and carvinal true spirit. You learn from many and can also learn not to learn . What this news paper without fun. You know its all Lafangebazi to impress ypur women folk with name of yours.I hope people write about stocks , Kse , many are making lots of money, allother is not so good. Any way please do not complain person like me spend hours to write I do not like to tharshed. I wish you good day and vote for MQM and help to add stability. All others are chors or scvengers, good luck.

I have finally come to one conclusion, as some one once said somewhere else, "with the sudden clarity of a man too long deceived, I understand the whole ghastly trick..." regarding the partisan posts of all the rabid Indians here, people like jayp, mohar11, Arjun or their other cousins, that these people have multiplied like cockroaches to the tune of a billion. Then like those ugly pests they have scampered away to all the corners of the world where now they occupy dark, ugly, smelly cubby holes, sitting in front of computers (as computer operators) doing dirty work that no white man or woman wants to do, from where as befits their character they spew out all this venomous vitriole and poke their cockroach whiskers into other people's business. On top of all that, most are inebbriated by copiously drinking liquid discharges from the nether regions of sundry humans/animals. Their own country befittingly is a dung heap, with appalling poverty and mayhem against the minorities. People sleep on rail road tracks, and it's a pathetic site to watch the daily morning ritual of millions of those rail road inhabitors performing their defecation ritual like musical chorus in full public view day in and day out. These wannabe Angraiz people actually are dark, under-nourished runts, no wonder that so many conquerors from the north subjugated and conquered them. But then we still must celebrate this diversty, nothing wrong with it, however let it be said from someone who has seen both sides of the coin, that despite all its present self created woes, Pakistan is still way better to be in than the stinky dung heap that is India!

Ahmed madani,

From dawn of staurday,. YLH read and understand Jinnah.

declaring India as an enemy country was done by Jinnah, and that is consistent with his idea of TNT that muslims cannot live with people of other religions.

One glaring example of this can be seen from one of the two hoardings placed at the first roundabout on Shahrah-i- Qaideen, just past the periphery of Mr Jinnah’s mausoleum. As shown in its photograph, it has the colours of the Pakistan flag and carries a saying of the Quaid in Urdu, which may be translated as: “From the political and military standpoints, Kashmir is the jugular vein of Pakistan. No independent country and nation can tolerate the handing over of its jugular vein to the enemy.”

Madani saab,
I do agree, especially that kashmir day is recently celebrated in pakistan that kashmir should be come part of pakistan.

That will ensure that the kashmiri muslims are attacked from helicopter gunships, rapists are let go like in the mauktaran mai case, and the women are subjected to hoodood ordinance.

I do agree that all of the above are islamic values consistant with the TNT version practiced in pakistan.

It is inconceivable that the any good pakistani would want any other human to be subjected to the misery that is pakistan, well then it was only the jinnah who said that kashmir is the jugular vein of pakistan.

What the jihadis are doing in kashmir is consistent with what jinnha said. It is sad that the man is dead so long ago, and the pakis are mixing the most violent aspects of islam and TNT to create a terror central in this world.

Re: # 299 forget all stuff and burden of history new pakistan is taking birth fortified with democracy, thank fate you were alive to see that moment and bost later when old to your people of being part of democracy birth. Any birth is violent and lots of pain and blood spilling, same now. Some problems but agreat advance by first muslim atomic power to get 1st democracy in land of believers.

Re: # 293 Raw_Dust

'...remember General Tikka Khan? ...'

Never mind! Tahmed32 is not the type to rationally sift through the facts

Re: # 294 Mr. Jayp things are improoving and things are moving in proper direction. Elections is very Important and all usa and foren news people taking very seeriously.
President has done good to warm people to accept election results and no rioting by loosing parties. Some time ago YLH wrote article saying general will last ruling general. All people are hearing morning of democracy and modern more better more moderate and more reformed Pakistan and democratic pakistan leading muslim Ummah towards democracy and islamic princicles of ging equalirty and NO CASTE like hindus. All muslims are together in brotherhood and sisterhood and helpful maeciful towards poor and handicapped people. It is good general is and will the guardian and protector of new emerging democrscy. Also he has warned people to "behave" themselves as if they try to disregard peoples verdict they will be dealt harshly. You need decipline for democray to help poor and oppressed.
It good time for GOI to deal with new emerging first muslim democracy by giving back part of kashmir and india will be far better can spend money on poor, oppressed muslims, sikhs and christian and oppressed handicapped people, oppressed women who are denied human rights and houses and water for poor people of india. It good time to make deal with new govt which will dear to usa who want kashmir problem closed for all times. Make concesssions now and earn good will of Pakistani people. They can export stuff to paskistsn snd we can export food , cement as poor people of india had nothing but just hindu gods to worshipp.
It is time make deal, handver Kashmir, take jammu and Ladakh as those are nonmuslims and guess they may not be interested in joining pakistan.
Things are going fine.
Usa is struck up and has to put money if she wants all stuff , brought in country.
good day, morning , ok bye

Re: # 291 Tahmed

You are presumptuous enough to assume that (i) I am male, (ii) I am Hindu, (iii) my comments were about Pakistan

By trying to focus on a nick, you are avoiding the main issue, or by deflecting focus on Modi/Advani. Nice try, but it doesn't work. Let me tell you why: this is not the substance of the matter:)

Re: # 295 Who told you 5000 tourists/ year ?
It is wrong information. It may be 5000/ per day.

mmmmkay....

Shujaat vows to reverse US-driven policy

Pervaiz predicts landslide victory
ASIF MEHMOOD
LONDON - President PML-Q Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain has said that he had disagreed with a series of major decisions taken by Musharraf’s government over the past five years.
In an interview with the British newspaper The Telegraph, Shujaat said that he would reverse Musharraf’s US-driven policy by seeking a political solution to a conflict in the tribal area of Waziristan, where the army is battling militants linked to the Taliban and al-Qaeda.
He said: “We believe that politics rather than force will resolve the issue and it is the only answer.” Shujaat was very careful not to criticise Musharraf directly, saying that he had “done his level best” at a time when President George W Bush had been “very aggressive” in coercing Pakistan to support the US-led war on terror.
He also termed last year’s massacre when commandos stormed Islamabad’s radical Red Mosque, killing more than 100 militants and students including girls, “a mistake from the administration.

Here is an interesting statistics.

All through 2007, 5000 tourists came to pakistan. That is a true reflection of the global perception of pakistan, and this election will not change that.

It is that dead dog which is preventing any one from visiting pakistan.

Terror perceptions

When a suicide attack takes place in pakistn it is considered as an internal problem, part of the pak society values and no one in the world identifies it as a terror attack. So many times, Mushy claims that pakistan is also a victim of terrorism and no one cares. The reason is simple, whether it is the UK bombings, spanish and you name it it is all traced to pakistan.

This view is further reinforced by the recent developments. Pakistan arrests so called terrorists and they inturn capture a few soldiers and there is apece talks and all terrorists are released.

It is this mind set that is propelling the pakistanis to carry out attackes all over the world. They do believe that if a few bomb attacks are carried out , all the pak terrorists will be released and it is considered normal.

That is why teh terrorists released after the indian hijacking were hailed as heros by the pakistanis.

The intire notion of terrorism within pakistan is absurd, it is just a normal day for the pakis. See the posts of zeemax and urtruly which consistantly reflect this belief system.

#291:"and we dont make national leaders out of criminals like modi and advani"

err.. remember General Tikka Khan? He was appointed as the Governor of Punjab in late 80s.

hamidm: sorry to have interfered with your determined efforts to paint Islam as being the one defined by criminals. rest assured that sharia laws will never touch you - you are too well off and well-connected for that in Pakistan. it is only the poor abduls who suffer - and we all know they dont count since, as the nice young lady from a rich family notes in the Pickwick Papers, she understands that the poor dont get hurt when they are whipped and that the poor are immune to the cold when they sleep on the street in the UK winter.

ps: note the sarcasm dripping in this last sentence.

pepe le peu #289: Spare me your posts - Like I told you before, I have no interest in wasting time with an individual like you who tries to glorify himself by adopting the name of a respected research organization as his nick. Are you ashamed of your real name, or too cowardly too put your name to what you write?

as for your comments on pakistan and muslims generally - these are typical of the hypocrisy that too many hindus suffer from whereby they take on airs of being from an enlightened society when in fact hindu society is riddled with jehaliyat that exceeds anything found in Pakistan. At least we dont burn minorities in Pakistan, and we dont make national leaders out of criminals like modi and advani (the brave hindu warrior who led the attack to destroy the place of worship of a minority religion). So, buzz off.

zeemax #267 So it seems we agree that beheadings and hangings are not "Islamic justice" - and this renders the Taliban and Saudis in violation of Quranic injunctions (where mercy for the convicted and repentent is enjoined).

This by no means negates the importance of the rule of law. On the contrary, it means that no man should be considered above the law. And those doing the worst offenses against society (e.g. overthrow of the rule of law itself through abuse of the powers a nation places in its generals) are in fact deserving of the worst punishment. While those committing lesser crimes (e.g. theft of food or some cash by a poor man) deserve lighter punishments or even help.

This then begs the question - through what process does a society decide that a given punishment fits the crime? And the answer is simple - the democratic process.

What is passed as "sharia law" is the opposite of the democratic process (being created by Qazis appointed by kings) and thus have resulted in pure evil in the form of oppression of those already oppressed (women of poor families) while the rich and powerful literally get away with murder, theft and other crimes.

And that is why I maintain that the most vocal "muslims" are the worst offenders against Islam, since they portray their evil and unIslamic deeds as being Islamic!!