February 18th, 2008-Election Day

Do young Pakistanis get read what Ali Sina
has to say ?

Tikka Khan, don't disrespect the thread by catapolting it into a completely different direction. This is not the place to "pick souls" for Ali Sina

Nothing was denied "at home", I did most of the work I did on Islam at http://www.rationalreality.com not in the West but "at home".

Masadi,
no this is not an ali sina troll.... I am a thinking muslim who is looking at a variety of views and intrepretations on religion, which i was denied uptill i was at "home".... i need to read all those views and weigh them as i am facing lots of questions and mental agony as iam living in a western coutnry and interacting with a very intellectual and smart set of people here in the west (i am a research student)....

....or is it that i am seeing the typical 'siege mentality' here!!

Tikka Khan writes " see people with a broad specturm of views on the chowk forum.....I would like them to comment and debate these antiMuslim literature...

thanks"

Ali Sina's troll stumbles here to gather some "moss" for his master and his dimwit site. Try harder fool, such tactics are "old school" from the playbook of fools...

Manto writes "For your sake, I suggest you pick up the phone and ask him what he really thought of you"

I don't have to, he told that to me in very clear terms, though I don't care much about such "authority" renditions, my posts stand on their own merits. He did tell me about the level of your maturity compared to mine in these posts and yours falls far short of the measure he placed on mine. Now you want my rather handsome appearance to affect the calibre of my posts because someone who "met me" doesn't think that my stature measures up to my herculian posts, that is besides the point and has nothing to do with the intellectual calibre of the posts here.

Hi,

Has anyone read "why i am not a Muslim?' by a guy calling himself Ibn Warraq.? and teh book by Irshad Manji? And the critical websites especially by "Ali Sina"... I have read excerpts of teh said books and analysed in some detail Ali Sina's assertions on his website by checking on the sources he/she? quotes..and most disturbingly, the replies by Muslim scholars etc to Ibn Sina and others are not satisfactory at all!!!

I see people with a broad specturm of views on the chowk forum.....I would like them to comment and debate these antiMuslim literature...

thanks

Re: # 218

Yaar masadi, ROTFL.

For your sake, I suggest you pick up the phone and ask him what he really thought of you. Ask him to swear by the quran or something...or wait he doesn't believe in that and that bothers you doesn't it?

But like I said I wanted to use Bhutto's line and I did but there isn't really anything to it. No I am not hiring anyone to whack you. As far as I am concerned, you can rest easy.

Manto,Any fool after reading your post threatning me can tell what you were getting at. You don't scare me neither do your threats. Such behavior is expected of thugs like you. My posts stand on their intellectual merit, and the person you met who met me had nothing but praise for them, and compared to your writings here, much greater praise than he had for your posts...

What else can the two parties do apart from sidelining Mush?

Any chance of turning new leaves and providing good governance? Will they fight corruption, violence etc...

Dear Masadi,

I was merely quoting ZAB's famous comments about Jam Sadiq. Otherwise you are too insignificant and useless a character for me to invest into finding a cat for :). I have better things to do than indulge rodents like you.

Your lack of humanity, lack of politeness, lack of reason and utter ignorance is self evident on these boards. So it can't be that. I am assuming your "politeness" is simply an indication of what kind of a mouse you are.

As for reason, apparently no source, no author is good, no logic is good enough for you. You shoot it down (entirely in your mind) as "western conspiracy". HP and others have pointed out your errors regarding MAJ, FJ etc but you reject them as well.

But like I said... and I'll say it again... your existence is the most searing indictment of the whole Pakistan idea. Had it not been for this country you would be found in a sewer more suited to your genius. Still your ability to claim victory after a complete rout on logic and facts, is most endearing.

Manto writes "It is not hard to find a cat to take care of a mouse like you "

ha ha the idiot resorts to threats when he cannot counter arguments with reason. Don't try to misjudge humility and politeness with being a mouse....try me fool.

Fatima Jinnah's "movement" was no movement, it was a joke, and more of the same BS of MAJ.

NS may make a deal with Kiyani….. as a Punjabi to a Punjabi….. and keep Mushy out….. Kiyani would like it… because it will make him the sole representative of the army

I think Benazir's removal from the scene has made PPP's chances of reconciliation with Musharraf quite difficult.

#206 by MantoLives

Yasser, it is not about right or wrong. It is about possible or impossible. PPP and PML-N were at each others' throats for how many years now? What makes you think they'll change today? Each one of them would want to be at the helm without being burdened by having to coexist with an opponent. The easiest way would be to have Mushy stitch together an alliance of PPP with any willing party. PML-N looks less malleable given NS' dislike of Mushy and vice-versa.

For Pakistan to move forward.. and to strengthen democracy…. Two things should be kept out of Pakistani political process….. the Army…… and the Saudis………..