Voting For Change

zeemax: That will be Rs. 50 for the monkey dance please. Please drop a coin in Pandit Arjun's hat on your way out as he continues to entertain with his Pandit-with-Hellfire-Stuck-in-Him dance.

laddu #319-325 you have written 9 consecutive posts (with a few added by Hellfired Pandit Arjun) to cover-up the inconvenient truths I brought to your attention you could not face and the inconvenient questions I asked that you could not answer!!

What have the pandit hates done to you, turning you from a lad to a laddu? :-(

pakiland beats india on at least one list..

pakiland is more dangerous than sudan and palestine...surely the author must be a hindu hater for pointing out such facts!!

prophet tahmed(peace be unto your left butt cheek)...time to drown out forbes in a tidal wave of self-righteous indignation...

Forbes.com: World's Most Dangerous Destinations
By Rebecca Ruiz
Forbes.com
Tuesday, February 19, 2008

In the 1970s, a traveler's worst nightmare might have been a hijacked plane or hostage crisis. Today, the threats are equally perilous but reflect the changing times. Now, a tourist or business traveler might worry more about terrorist attacks on mass transit, getting caught in a spontaneous uprising or a bombing of a nightclub or hotel.

Pakistan

iJet: 5
Control Risks: High security and terrorism risk, high travel risk in Karachi and Baluchistan (Extreme security and travel risk in tribal areas bordering Afghanistan)

Ongoing "geo-political turmoil" is a major reason why iJet rates Pakistan as a five. This includes but is not limited to intermittent bomb attacks and rioting between Shia and Sunni Muslim communities, the presence of domestic Islamic extremist groups with links to al-Qaeda, and strife over delayed elections, which culminated in the assassination of Benazir Bhutto in December 2007.

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masadi: this one's for you....romair, as you might already know, is bulleya...aka capt clueless

here's capt clueless telling people how pakiland was uncle sam's best friend(back in the t-shirt days)

#275 Posted by Romair on February 26, 2002 4:28:02 pm

Have you ever been to the Jacobabad airfield? I have actually been to some of these, ``military installations.`` They are satellite stations that rarely if every get used, except during war. The US is paying Pakistan for using these installations. I am guessing that the US did quite a bit of construction there (I hope they put in air conditioners there, because when I was at one of these places for a day or two, I almost boiled to death). Pakistan has been thinking about converting some of the installations to full-fledged bases, but didn`t have the money. Now, Pakistan maybe able to turn them into a base to defend itself against India better.

The US was actually an ally in this war, and not the enemy. All major security decisions made by Pakistan are discussed with the Chinese leadership, since we are under the protective wings of China. China didn`t have too much problem with this, neither did the Pakistani strategic leadership. Do you claim to know more than them about the security of Pakistan?

And could you explain how giving Lasbela, Jacobabad etc. satellite fields to someone can be a security risk? What is going to happen? Are US helicopters going to take off and attack Lahore? Can you point to one incidence in history where something like that has happened?

Pakistan was a civilian dictatorship (under NS and BB) then and is a military dictatorship now (under Musharraf). Which dictatorship is better? Take your pick. You know where I stand. But please do not try to convince me that Pakistan was a constitutional democracy under NS and BB, or going in the direction of becoming one.

Come on NOW REFUTE the proposition that -

"Pakistanis invariably are brought up to hate Hindus and Indai."

where is capt clueless? now he's celebrating the victory of nawaz? was singing a different tune during the t-shirt with paki flag days...

Posted by Romair on November 25, 2001 12:35:45 pm

If our judges had any balls, they would have sacked both Nawaz Sharif and BB. And there would have been no need for a coup. Pakistan would have moved decades ahead in its democracy. However, the Supreme Court judges were too busy cutting each other`s throats. They were too scared to even give a judgement on their own Supreme Court being stormed, while it was in session listening to cases against Nawaz, by CTBT (Choti Tind, Bari Tind, i.e. Shahbaz and Nawaz), even though it was on video. They gave a decision, only after the coup. Can you imagine any politician`s mob storming the COAS`s office in GHQ? Whether you like or hate the Generals, you must agree, they do have balls, and are united; much more so then the judges.

All the above are actually quite acceptable, and dare I say some of them are even good. Except for Shahbaz Sharif, Nawaz and BB. I hope, these three and Altaf Bhai aren`t coming back. They have destroyed Pakistan twice. Don`t you think that is enough?

The Beards are out the door, as long as Musharraf is around. If NS comes back in power, the Beards will be back in.

"Hindu-Muslim Differences in Culture, .. India’s evil designs against Pakistan (the
three wars with India)100
Identify the events in relation to Hindu-Muslim differences, which laid the
foundations for Pakistan101
The textbooks then respond in the following way to the above curriculum instructions:
Hindu has always been an enemy of Islam.102
The religion of the Hindus did not teach them good things -- Hindus did not
respect women...103
Hindus worship in temples which are very narrow and dark places, where they
worship idols. Only one person can enter the temple at a time. In our mosques,
on the other hand, all Muslims can say their prayers together.104
‘ … the social evils of the Hindus’105
Hindus thought that there was no country other than India, nor any people other
than the Indians, nor did anyone else possess any knowledge106."

"For the upholders of the Ideology of Pakistan, the existence of Pakistan is defined only in
relation to Hindus, and hence the Hindus have to be painted as negatively as possible.
That the pathological hate against Hindus is only because of adopting the so-called Ideology
of Pakistan is borne out by the fact that the pre-Ideology (before the 1970s) textbooks of
Pakistan did not contain this hatred. Although a lot of animosity towards Hindus might well
have been expected in the newborn Pakistan because of the bloody riots of the partition,
the early textbooks in Pakistan, many written after the partition, were free of the
pathological hate that we see in textbooks today. For example:
1. The early history books contained chapters on both the oldest civilizations Moen Jo
Daro, Harappa, Gandhara, etc., but also the early Hindu mythologies of Ramayana
and Mahabharata and extensively covered, often with admiration, the great Hindu
and Buddhist kingdoms of the Mauryas and the Guptas.
2. The books indeed showed biases when discussing the more recent history of the
politics of independence, but still one found school textbooks with chapters on Mr.
M. K. Gandhi, using words of respect for him and admiring him for his qualities.
3. Even in the somewhat biased history of politics of independence, the creation of
Pakistan was reasoned on the intransigence of the All India Congress and its
leadership rather than on ‘Hindu machinations’.
4. Some books also clearly mentioned that the most prominent Islamic religious
leaders were all bitterly opposed to the creation of Pakistan.
Such was the enlightened teaching of history for the first twenty five years of Pakistan
even though two wars were fought against India in this period. The print and electronic
media often indulged in anti-Hindu propaganda, but the educational material was by and
large free of bias against Hindus.
Then came the time when Indo-Pakistan History and Geography were replaced with
Pakistan Studies, and Pakistan was defined as an Islamic state. The history of Pakistan
became equivalent to the history of Muslims in the subcontinent. It started with the Arab
conquest of Sindh and swiftly jumped to the Muslim conquerors from Central Asia.
Simultaneously, there started a trend in the 1970s of stressing the so-called Ideology of
Pakistan. This involved creating an ideological straitjacket in which history of Pakistan,
especially that of the Pakistan Movement was to be re-written. Pakistan was told to have
been created to establish a truly Islamic state in accordance with the tenets of Qur’an
and Sunnah. The Ulema who had bitterly opposed the creation of Pakistan were turned
into heroes of Pakistan movement. The Quaid-i-Azam was represented as a pious
practicing Muslim. And hate and denigration was created for Hindus. A few examples of
the expression of this hate in some recent curriculum documents and textbooks are
given below.
Curriculum documents state the following as the specific learning objectives:
[The child should be able to] understand the Hindu and Muslim differences and
the resultant need for Pakistan98
Develop understanding of the Hindu Muslim Differences and need for Pakistan"

After Islamic indoctrination comes the hate material- that is so evident from discourse of Pakistanis -

"Hate Material
Associated with the insistence on the Ideology of Pakistan has been an essential component
of hate against India and the Hindus."

It is worth noting that the most recent Urdu textbooks in Punjab and the Federal Area have
religious (Islamic) contents in the following proportion: (full details are given in Part B of this
chapter)
Class I57 4 out of 25 lessons
Class II58 8 out of 33 lessons
Class II59 22 out of 44 lessons
Class III60 23 out of 51 lessons
Class IV61 10 out of 45 lessons
Class V62 7 out of 34 lessons
Class VI63 14 out of 46 lessons
Class VII64 16 out of 53 lessons
Class VIII65 15 out of 46 lessons
Class IX-X66 10 out of 68 lessons
Lesson-wise detail is given in Part B.
Similarly, textbooks on Social Studies, another compulsory subject that starts from Class 3,
all have at least 4 chapters on personalities, which are invariably Islamic religious
personalities. Note the detail below.
Class III: Chapters on the prophets Adam, Abraham, Jesus and Mohammad (pbuh)67
Class IV: Chapters on Prophet Mohammad (pbuh), Hazrat Abu Bakr, Hazrat Umar, and
Hazrat Khadija68
Class V: Hazrat Fatima (ra), Mohammad bin Qasim, Shah Waliullah69

"Compulsory Teaching of Islamiat to Non-Muslim Students
The educational material attempts to teach Islamiat to all the students irrespective of their
faith through the compulsory subjects of Social/Pakistan Studies, Urdu and English.
Although non-Muslims are not required to take the fourth compulsory subject of Islamiat,
there is an extraordinary incentive for them in the form of 25% additional marks for learning
and taking examinations in Islamiat.
The curricula of all these subjects require every Pakistani, irrespective of his (her) faith, to
love, respect, be proud of and practice Islamic principles, traditions, customs, rituals, etc.,
Both the curricula and textbooks are enlightening in this respect. The National Early
Childhood Education Curriculum (NECEC) would like to impart to the primary school
children, and not just to Muslim children, the following ‘life skills’49:
􀁸􀀃 Use greetings such as Assalam-o-Alaikum
􀁸􀀃 Know when to say “Bismillah”
􀁸􀀃 Recite the first Kalemah and understand its meaning
􀁸􀀃 Name the five daily prayers
􀁸􀀃 Learn about Ramadhan and Eidain"

"Or,
To educate and train the future generations of Pakistan as a true practicing
Muslim44
Or,
To develop a sense of pride in being Muslim and Pakistani45
Or,
Knows that national culture is not the local culture or local customs, but that it
means the culture the principles of which are laid down by Islam46
The textbooks then pick up from this point and express these requirements as follows.
The class II Urdu book has a lesson on “Our Country”, the first sentences of which read:
Our country is Pakistan. We live in our country. Pakistan is an Islamic country.
Here Muslims live. Muslims believe in the unity of Allah. They do good deeds. ..47
The Class 6 book says:
Who am I? I am a Muslim. I am a Pakistani. I love my country and I love my
people. … You know that you are a Muslim and your religion is Islam.48
It conveys the message that being a Pakistani is equated with being a Muslim, and that only
Muslims are true Pakistani citizens. Patriotism has been equated with Islamic zeal. The way
it has been said clearly alienates religious minorities."

Come on you "Janbaaz Mujahid" of Pakistan.
You were probably unaware of all this happening in Pakistan because your children never studied these books.