Beena Sarwar February 19, 2008
#161 Posted by GT on February 20, 2008 12:43:32 pm
#156 Posted by arjun_5:
"..if it's your claim that the islamists have been rejected and pakis will now be accepted by the world as moderates..."
Why should Pakistanis care about what the "world" thinks. They have problems and they are dealing with it. These elections have been good for them. Why are you upset about it?
"..if it's your claim that the islamists have been rejected and pakis will now be accepted by the world as moderates..."
Why should Pakistanis care about what the "world" thinks. They have problems and they are dealing with it. These elections have been good for them. Why are you upset about it?
#162 Posted by GT on February 20, 2008 12:50:37 pm
#157 Posted by arjun_5:
"..that's a repudiation of the bombing of the jihadis...something pakis are against..."
I am against it too. Many innocents are being killed and this creates more "terrorists". The US may be fine with it but Indians suffer and will suffer because of such acts. Oh, you may not care because India for you ends in Andheri.
"..that's a repudiation of the bombing of the jihadis...something pakis are against..."
I am against it too. Many innocents are being killed and this creates more "terrorists". The US may be fine with it but Indians suffer and will suffer because of such acts. Oh, you may not care because India for you ends in Andheri.
#163 Posted by aquaris on February 20, 2008 12:59:02 pm
How do you impeach the president...?
does it requirs a simple majority or two third ...??
#164 Posted by aquaris on February 20, 2008 12:59:07 pm
How do you impeach the president...?
does it requirs a simple majority or two third ...??
#165 Posted by aquaris on February 20, 2008 12:59:07 pm
How do you impeach the president...?
does it requirs a simple majority or two third ...??
#166 Posted by arjun_5 on February 20, 2008 1:27:00 pm
#162 Posted by GT on February 20, 2008 12:50:37 pm
Indians suffer and will suffer because of such acts.
Why will India suffer? because you say so?
let's see...paki army bombs the jihadis...jihadis bomb pakis..paki army bombs the jihadis...rinse repeat..
and this is bad for india why now?
Indians suffer and will suffer because of such acts.
Why will India suffer? because you say so?
let's see...paki army bombs the jihadis...jihadis bomb pakis..paki army bombs the jihadis...rinse repeat..
and this is bad for india why now?
#167 Posted by arjun_5 on February 20, 2008 1:28:47 pm
#164 Posted by aquaris on February 20, 2008 12:59:07 pm
does it requirs a simple majority or two third ...??
you need two thirds
two thirds of the army...
does it requirs a simple majority or two third ...??
you need two thirds
two thirds of the army...
#168 Posted by hamidm2 on February 20, 2008 1:49:52 pm
down with the nay sayers, debbie downers, doubting thomases, wet blankets, kill joys, and horrible hindoos !
.... i think we pakis have much to celebrate ... sure, everything can go wrong and our politicians can go back to their old ways and we can end up where we started - unwashed and smelly ..... but let us stop acting like chicken little and stop worrying about the sky falling down, or run around like mad masadi complaining about the us elite which will never let him procreate (which is a good thing) .......
..... let's celebrate the fact that the election was fair and free, the unwashed masses spoke, and we have a good shot at putting together a democratically elected civilian government ...... i am even to live with a 'mildly' islamist government as long as it does not arrest my bootlegger or harass auntie shamim ....... i am even willing to live with an obviously crazed lunatic from london running karachi via telephone as long as i don't have to hear his speeches ..... i am willing to live with pirs, makhdooms, nawabzadas and haramzadas as long as they were elected .....
..... so let us celebrate, enjoy the moment and stop worrying about this and that ....... what will be, will be
go musharraf, go!
asif zardari zindabad !
nawaz sharif zindabad !
asfandyar wali khan zindabad !
altaph bhai zindabad !
down with vegetarians and people with callouses on their forehead !
#169 Posted by anil on February 20, 2008 2:30:47 pm
Re: # 168
Hamidm Sahib:
"...go musharraf, go!..."
Yeh Chowk kya sun raha hai, Hamidm Sahib ne Tahemd Sahib, Romair ko join kar liya?
Pakistan ke jungle mein mangal ho jayega, ab.
Hamidm Sahib:
"...go musharraf, go!..."
Yeh Chowk kya sun raha hai, Hamidm Sahib ne Tahemd Sahib, Romair ko join kar liya?
Pakistan ke jungle mein mangal ho jayega, ab.
#170 Posted by tahmed32 on February 20, 2008 2:45:42 pm
hamidm #168
You are a few months late and a dollar short in saying "go musharraf go", like I said before. He was gone the day he was separated from his uniform - like I have been trying to bring to your attention.
Now, if you dont want to seem hopelessly out of date, you should be chanting: "Gone Musharraf Gone".
As for the Pakistani Awam, I am glad to see you are at least trying to make an effort to salute them - although you still fall pathetically short and the best you can achieve is salute the "unwashed masses". Never mind - I will be your coach and will help you on this issue of respecting people even if they dont have your bank account.
You are a few months late and a dollar short in saying "go musharraf go", like I said before. He was gone the day he was separated from his uniform - like I have been trying to bring to your attention.
Now, if you dont want to seem hopelessly out of date, you should be chanting: "Gone Musharraf Gone".
As for the Pakistani Awam, I am glad to see you are at least trying to make an effort to salute them - although you still fall pathetically short and the best you can achieve is salute the "unwashed masses". Never mind - I will be your coach and will help you on this issue of respecting people even if they dont have your bank account.
#171 Posted by tahmed32 on February 20, 2008 2:51:01 pm
pandit hate arjun #167: In addition to failing to answer my question in #146 below, I se you also fail to GT's question in #161.
Pakistanis are celebrating from north to south and east to west. The US (President, key senators, diplomats) as well as the rest of the world are scurrying to get on the right side of PPP and PML. And pea-brain pandit hates like you can only rot in your own spite, victim of your own delusions, babbling about hellfire missiles and jehadis.
Pakistanis are celebrating from north to south and east to west. The US (President, key senators, diplomats) as well as the rest of the world are scurrying to get on the right side of PPP and PML. And pea-brain pandit hates like you can only rot in your own spite, victim of your own delusions, babbling about hellfire missiles and jehadis.
#172 Posted by arjun_5 on February 20, 2008 3:30:22 pm
hehe...change is what pakis will have left in their pockets when this is over...
Reinstatement of judges impossible, says Musharraf
Calls for harmonious coalition; polls strengthened moderate forces
ISLAMABAD: President Pervez Musharraf rejected on Wednesday calls to resign as the opposition parties mulled a coalition government. Despite the intensifying pressure on Musharraf, he told an American newspaper that he had no plans to quit.
Asked by the Wall Street Journal whether he would resign or retire, Musharraf said: “No, not yet. We have to move forward in a way that we bring about a stable democratic government to Pakistan.”
Musharraf was also quoted in the interview published on the newspaper’s website as saying he would like to function “with any party and any coalition because that is in the interest of Pakistan”.
He agreed the election outcome was a reflection of Pakistanis’ dissatisfaction with his government, citing economic problems and his attempt to rein in judges as well as sympathy for the opposition after the assassination of their charismatic leader, Benazir Bhutto.
“All these things had a negative impact,” Musharraf said. He said it was premature to comment on who might be the country’s next prime minister, as that was a matter for the political parties to decide.
Asked whether he could work with Nawaz Sharif, the prime minister he overthrew in 1999, Musharraf said: “The government is run by the prime minister. The president has no mandate to share governing power with the prime minister.”
He added: “The clash would be if the prime minister and president would be trying to get rid of each other. I only hope we would avoid these clashes.” Musharraf also made it known that there was no possible way in which the deposed chief justice of Pakistan and other sacked judges could be brought back.
“Legally there’s no way this can be done. I can’t even imagine how this is done,” he said. The president said he has not met either Nawaz Sharif or Asif Ali Zardari since the elections. “I’m not heading a political party. Let political parties meet with each other and form a coalition,” Musharraf said.
Reinstatement of judges impossible, says Musharraf
Calls for harmonious coalition; polls strengthened moderate forces
ISLAMABAD: President Pervez Musharraf rejected on Wednesday calls to resign as the opposition parties mulled a coalition government. Despite the intensifying pressure on Musharraf, he told an American newspaper that he had no plans to quit.
Asked by the Wall Street Journal whether he would resign or retire, Musharraf said: “No, not yet. We have to move forward in a way that we bring about a stable democratic government to Pakistan.”
Musharraf was also quoted in the interview published on the newspaper’s website as saying he would like to function “with any party and any coalition because that is in the interest of Pakistan”.
He agreed the election outcome was a reflection of Pakistanis’ dissatisfaction with his government, citing economic problems and his attempt to rein in judges as well as sympathy for the opposition after the assassination of their charismatic leader, Benazir Bhutto.
“All these things had a negative impact,” Musharraf said. He said it was premature to comment on who might be the country’s next prime minister, as that was a matter for the political parties to decide.
Asked whether he could work with Nawaz Sharif, the prime minister he overthrew in 1999, Musharraf said: “The government is run by the prime minister. The president has no mandate to share governing power with the prime minister.”
He added: “The clash would be if the prime minister and president would be trying to get rid of each other. I only hope we would avoid these clashes.” Musharraf also made it known that there was no possible way in which the deposed chief justice of Pakistan and other sacked judges could be brought back.
“Legally there’s no way this can be done. I can’t even imagine how this is done,” he said. The president said he has not met either Nawaz Sharif or Asif Ali Zardari since the elections. “I’m not heading a political party. Let political parties meet with each other and form a coalition,” Musharraf said.
#173 Posted by arjun_5 on February 20, 2008 3:32:23 pm
#171 Posted by tahmed32 on February 20, 2008 2:51:01 pm
rest of the world are scurrying to get on the right side of PPP and PML.
that's almost as delusional as capt clueless telling us, days after 9/11, that dubya is so beholden to pureland that he will stop for every tongawalla when he visits the land of the pure...
babbling about hellfire missiles and jehadis.
pureland remains relevant to the world because of the jihadis...nothing more..you have nothing to offer to the world...
rest of the world are scurrying to get on the right side of PPP and PML.
that's almost as delusional as capt clueless telling us, days after 9/11, that dubya is so beholden to pureland that he will stop for every tongawalla when he visits the land of the pure...
babbling about hellfire missiles and jehadis.
pureland remains relevant to the world because of the jihadis...nothing more..you have nothing to offer to the world...
#174 Posted by arjun_5 on February 20, 2008 3:38:47 pm
bush needs mush for a kashmir resolution?...yatha raja, tatha praja...completely fucking deluded..
NRO may go, Musharraf camp warns Zardari
By Hamid Mir
ISLAMABAD: The Bush administration is pushing the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) to develop a “working relationship” with President Pervez Musharraf but the party is reluctant to make any commitment, sources said on Wednesday.
A source close to President Musharraf has warned that the PPP has no other choice but to cooperate with it or the NRO may go and PPP Co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari could be arrested. A top diplomat in Islamabad told The News that the US had invested more than $10 billion in Musharraf. “We will not allow anyone to destroy this huge investment.”
The Bush administration needs Musharraf to stay in power not only for the war against terror but also for implementing a new Kashmir plan before the presidential election in the US later this year.
The Bush administration still considers Pervez Musharraf its best choice as the president of Pakistan despite a big “no” from Pakistani voters on February 18 against Washington’s the most-trusted friend.
Sources said efforts were going on to bridge the gaps between Musharraf and Zardari, who had declared the president as the “Gorbachev” of Pakistan immediately after the assassination of Benazir Bhutto on December 27.(uh-oh pakis...remember what happened to the ussr after gorby was done..)
A close aide of president, Tariq Aziz, completed his homework on a new Kashmir plan just days before the Feb 18 elections. He recently spent many days in Dubai, where he met important Kashmiri leaders from the Indian-controlled Kashmir with the consent of New Delhi.
Musharraf planned to start a new initiative on Kashmir in April this year with the support of the new political government but the people’s verdict on February 18 has shattered all his plans.
Musharraf is not ready to admit that February 18 verdict was not only against him but that the verdict had rejected all those policies which were started under pressure of the Bush administration.
Sources said the fact of the matter was that Musharraf was the most unpopular man in Pakistan but he was still the most popular Pakistani in the White House and very popular in New Delhi. Top Indian officials have given many hints to international media before February 18 that they like Musharraf more than anyone else in Pakistan.
It now appears that the Bush administration is ready to oblige the PPP for a UN investigation of the assassination of Benazir Bhutto in return for the PPP’s support for Musharraf. But Nawaz Sharif has conveyed to the Bush administration that he is not against the war on terror but will support a war against terror for Pakistan not for America. Sharif has also asked the Bush administration that it should not interfere in the politics of Pakistan.
NRO may go, Musharraf camp warns Zardari
By Hamid Mir
ISLAMABAD: The Bush administration is pushing the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) to develop a “working relationship” with President Pervez Musharraf but the party is reluctant to make any commitment, sources said on Wednesday.
A source close to President Musharraf has warned that the PPP has no other choice but to cooperate with it or the NRO may go and PPP Co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari could be arrested. A top diplomat in Islamabad told The News that the US had invested more than $10 billion in Musharraf. “We will not allow anyone to destroy this huge investment.”
The Bush administration needs Musharraf to stay in power not only for the war against terror but also for implementing a new Kashmir plan before the presidential election in the US later this year.
The Bush administration still considers Pervez Musharraf its best choice as the president of Pakistan despite a big “no” from Pakistani voters on February 18 against Washington’s the most-trusted friend.
Sources said efforts were going on to bridge the gaps between Musharraf and Zardari, who had declared the president as the “Gorbachev” of Pakistan immediately after the assassination of Benazir Bhutto on December 27.(uh-oh pakis...remember what happened to the ussr after gorby was done..)
A close aide of president, Tariq Aziz, completed his homework on a new Kashmir plan just days before the Feb 18 elections. He recently spent many days in Dubai, where he met important Kashmiri leaders from the Indian-controlled Kashmir with the consent of New Delhi.
Musharraf planned to start a new initiative on Kashmir in April this year with the support of the new political government but the people’s verdict on February 18 has shattered all his plans.
Musharraf is not ready to admit that February 18 verdict was not only against him but that the verdict had rejected all those policies which were started under pressure of the Bush administration.
Sources said the fact of the matter was that Musharraf was the most unpopular man in Pakistan but he was still the most popular Pakistani in the White House and very popular in New Delhi. Top Indian officials have given many hints to international media before February 18 that they like Musharraf more than anyone else in Pakistan.
It now appears that the Bush administration is ready to oblige the PPP for a UN investigation of the assassination of Benazir Bhutto in return for the PPP’s support for Musharraf. But Nawaz Sharif has conveyed to the Bush administration that he is not against the war on terror but will support a war against terror for Pakistan not for America. Sharif has also asked the Bush administration that it should not interfere in the politics of Pakistan.
#175 Posted by laddu on February 20, 2008 3:50:59 pm
Re: # 153
I indeed thought this was going to be the case.
Mush was all for bombing - these guys are now going to "normalize" Jehadi behaviour though the discourse of negotiation.
So, on the whole Jehadis who were for Jehad against kafirs and US have WON and are in the position to influence power - which they could not do when the dictator was there.
The pacifists or Sarkari mullahs who agreed to Mush's crackdown on madarassas are probably going to flourish be marginalized.
Pakistan under NS in power and his bunch of saudi wahabs (the mullah coterie around him) are probably goiing to usher in a Iran like "revolution" to capture power for ever or atleast become the defacto power wielder with NS as the mustafa.
I indeed thought this was going to be the case.
Mush was all for bombing - these guys are now going to "normalize" Jehadi behaviour though the discourse of negotiation.
So, on the whole Jehadis who were for Jehad against kafirs and US have WON and are in the position to influence power - which they could not do when the dictator was there.
The pacifists or Sarkari mullahs who agreed to Mush's crackdown on madarassas are probably going to flourish be marginalized.
Pakistan under NS in power and his bunch of saudi wahabs (the mullah coterie around him) are probably goiing to usher in a Iran like "revolution" to capture power for ever or atleast become the defacto power wielder with NS as the mustafa.
#176 Posted by hamidm2 on February 20, 2008 3:53:47 pm
Re: # 169
anil mian,
.... the only vice i don't practice - gambling .........
.... i think now that the unwashed masses have spoken, musharraf should go ..... nothing is to be gained from him staying ....
...... while he is waiting for gabriel, maybe we can imprision tahmed in the presidency like fazal elahi and rafiq tarrar - he seems to be the right man for the job ....
anil mian,
.... the only vice i don't practice - gambling .........
.... i think now that the unwashed masses have spoken, musharraf should go ..... nothing is to be gained from him staying ....
...... while he is waiting for gabriel, maybe we can imprision tahmed in the presidency like fazal elahi and rafiq tarrar - he seems to be the right man for the job ....
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