The ANP Challenge

Dear Ijaz gul,

Precisely and this article was written in that spirit. But people like Salman don't even want to listen to any criticism of Bacha Khan even though what I have written in this article is both 100 percent the truth (I challenge Salman to show one untruthful statement in it).

Now unable to defend Bacha Khan on facts, this Pakistani started off by making ridiculous claims like Fakir of ipi was leagui and wanted to kill Nehru. When I exposed his lie he brought up Pir of Manki and claimed that he wanted to kill Nehru. So far he hasn't given us a single iota of proof.

Then he started claiming all sorts of nonsense against Jinnah. He claimed that Wolpert backed his claim but now he has changed his story to "he blamed Muslims". Infact Wolpert has not taken a position on who started the communal riots quoting both the British reports that Hindus are erecting barricades to stop Muslims from getting to the meeting place at 7 30 am and later claim about stick wielding Muslims in the afternoon. Both Majumdar and I have begged Salman to produce the quote where Wolpert allegedly accuses Jinnah but he has failed to do so. Yet he continues to lie.

But d the most amazing claim he has made is that I cannot be trusted because I am an Ahmadi and from the PPP. So much for the "secular" ANP.

I find it strange that I should be asked to respect these people when ANP wallahs are so hateful and bigoted towards the rest of Pakistan. The 1973 constitution notwithstanding these hatemongers were reprimanded by Najeeb for being so opportunistic as to both sign the constitution and work against Pakistan. Even Pakistan's worst enemies in Afghanistan have reprimanded these fellows for their opportunism. My source of information is that indefatigable Afghan friend of ours - Pavo Cavalry.


I would like nothing more to see the ANP truly work for a secular democratic Pakistan. But I fear that has never been their interests. They wouldn't be part of alliances like PNA's Nizam-e-Mustafa alliance.

And there is no point abusing PPP for its contradictions. PPP never claimed to be the beacon of secularism and nonviolence. PPP never claimed to be all the things ANP does. So why hold PPP to that standard. But atleast PPP has remained loyal to the constitution it created.


Salman mian,

Disappear where? Declaring victory so soon. I am travelling and using a blackberry to respond to your lies again.

Please answer Majumdar's question now. Produce the extracts that he has asked you for. Instead of abusing me and lying about Jinnah grow up and learn to accept facts as they are.

As for your abuse regarding my "neutrality" you've quoting much more partisan things. I have not quoted any partisan view unlike you. So please have some shame, show us that legendary pushtun integrity and accept that your claims against me are unfounded and baseless.




Majumdar,

The case against ANP was dropped by Zia and there was no real acquittal. Zia and the ANP wallahs were in bed against Bhutto you see.

Pavo believes it was a 100 percent NAP job and Pavo is someone we know is not a pro-ppp or pro-Muslim League fellow. He is very well connected and knows things unknown to most people. He actually claims to have met the person who planted the bomb on the instructions of the NAP leadership.

Hayat Sherpao was their old enemy because he challenged the tribal-feudal customs like a true leftist (and not mere fashionable ones as the NAP wallahs post Iftikharuddin.

Since Salman has failed to provide the evidence for either of his claims nor has he managed to mount a specific challenge to any of my assertions, I am going to go enjoy my long weekend.

On PPP refer to last part of comment to Ijaz Gul.

Please do alert me if something needs my urgent attention ... Otherwise I am going to try and be at peace till Monday. Thank you.

Ijaz gul brother.
Thanx for your imput. thats what I keep telling him. you like some just praise him write whatever good you can find. why make up things about other people and hurt the feelings of their supporters.

Just for the sake of what we are up against, please read my post on another board. Its about what lies ahead and we must not brag about the past which in all apsects is tainted with a few bright spots.

"I may add that we should not have illusions about the inportance of our strategic proximity to Afghanistan and grant ourselves the luxuray of being indispensible. After the withdrawl of USSR, Afghanistan was deliberately allowed to burn in multi dimensional conflict and no develpoment plan was put in place by USA. It appears from what Agha has written, development policies even now are lukewarm. What does it mean? In my view, the policy of burnout now also includes Pakistan. This is what they pursue. They will keep just enough forces (mostly NATO) that will keep the pot simmering on both if the Durand Line.This is our fate and we must awaken to reality."

I may also add that just like this burnout threatens to transcend into Pakistan, if Pakistan burns, India will be next. We have to have a look at regional security. In some ways, masadi's views look incisive.
Cheerios

YLH and Salman
Pakistan to different Pakistanis means differently because different schools of thought and political leanings approach the issue from a different perspective.
The religious parties opposed Jinnah.
The Bachaites opposed him and supported Congress.
The opportunist politicians under the broad brush of UNIONISTS, corrupted its political vision.
Bengalis, having been at the centre of the idea abandoned it.
Most, the establishment with the support of military formed an overbearing and interventionist tradition of extra constitutionalism.

But there are trends that unite the people.

Constitution of 1973; to which even the ANP et al are original signatories. They have sworn by it repeatedly.

Elections of 2008 in which the people voted against the military and the backwash of unionists.

The combined struggle of the winning parties for restoration of constitutionalism and Judiciary.

Having sprouted from different roots and ideologies we are all Pakistanis.

Shake Hands and Cheerios

majumdar Bhai
I told you he will disappear. He will be back when he sees many posts here and will ignore my challenge. and start his abuse again like nothing has happened.
Hamdani says I have so much hatred in my heart. He is mistaken I have a great profession a great job a very loving family. I don’t burn myself in thinking about dead people and hating them. Haha. that I have left to him. Mr Hamdani this is how it goes. What you have in yourself you see in others. I neither hate anyone nor have I time for that.
There are some people who think when you disrespect others you will get respect for that, since no one will be respectful there. This is a wrong approach and it never works.
My advice to Hamdani is: write good about Mr Jinnah, Mr Bhutto, People’s Party, Mirza Ghulam Ahmed and anyone he likes. So people would know about their good things. That’s how they will respect them. But if he abuses their opponents that wont bring “them” admiration, because he is already biased nobody believes him and it goes otherwise. So stop hating the Khan family. I always see you writing against them. The whole world knows them very well you are just proving yourself foolish. Everyone who I talked to told me not to take you seriously.
People can be friends staying in different political parties keeping their own point of view about certain things. I had friendship with Jamaati students, PSF, APMSO, and people from all other parties in my University in Karachi. It doesn’t mean that I was helping Jamaat-s-islami or MQM in any ways.
In “Pashtunwalli” you have to have the highest regard for others even if he is your enemy. So Ghaffar Khan’s relation with fakir of Ipi was not only the for pashtunwalli but also fakir was a freedom fighter and was a hero a well respect person among the Pashtuns. I showed you how the Brits praised him on his death. Calling him a brave, principled enemy. When you don’t know the culture you will always be mistaken (not in case of hamdani he is deliberately doing it) If Ghaffar Khan’s khuda-e-Khidmatgars (Red Shirts) were involved in fakir’s violent struggle then you could have argued about it. Otherwise it’s quite acceptable. Later Ghaffar Khan was nominated for Noble Peace Prize also.
HAMDANI JUST WANTS TO SCORE POINTS, CHECK HIS LIES, HE CANNOT PROVE A SINGLE POINT OF THEM
The more I think about it... ANP is a fascist party not a democratic party, and despite claims of non-violence, Asfandyar Wali Khan, just like Bacha Khan and Wali Khan before him. Tell us who killed Hayat Sherpao of the PPP? Was it not done at the orders of ANP in the life times of both Bacha Khan and Wali Khan?
again
So here is the question: what about non-violent Bacha Khan's involvement in calling the hit on NWFP's greatest secular liberal left leader Hayat Sherpao - who was assassinated on the orders of either Bacha Khan or Wali Khan?
MUJAMDAR BHAI’S REPLY
There is no evidence that ANP ordered his assassination. It is just a rumour that is all. I said as much to Yasser mian and I think he admitted it too.
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Ghaffar Khan is different from Wali Khan. Dr Khan sahb is a different personality. ANP is different from NAP. You cannot just bring them in one sentence or stereotype them.
I gave a book name and the page number where it is stated that Pir of Manki (supporter of Jinnah, whom Jinnah promised Shariyya law for Muslims in Pakistan ) formed a jihadist organization. What else do you want? Just go read the book and then hit your head to the nearest wall, for being such a disgrace on this earth. haha
AGAIN, BEFORE YOU WRITE ANYTHING ACCEPT MY CHALLENGE OR ACCEPT DEFEAT. I CAN RELAX MY TERMS FOR YOU WITH LESS PUNISHMENT. HAHA

Zulfiqar Bhutto was the one who assisinated Hayat Sherpao, everyone in Pukhtunkhua knows it. It deosn't help Late Bhutto's case that a day before the assasination Bhutto said that something terrible was going to happen, he just have a "feeling" :)

I admire Bhutto for many reasons but lets not forget his totalitarian approach.
Jungraiz Pukhtunyar

Salman bhai,

(Hayat Shaerpao assassination. Which already been proved that ANP was not involved.)

It is a point well-taken. There is no evidence that ANP ordered his assassination. It is just a rumour that is all. I said as much to Yasser mian and I think he admitted it too.

(PPP history is full of violence and assassination )

This again is factually correct as I pointed out to YLH. PPP has a terrible amount of blood on its hands.

Incidentally I am a big admirer of NS and PML-N and one of the reasons is that he has never commited mayhem on the same scale as PPP and the Bhuttos.

(he belongs to a Ahmedi religion so his negative views about Deobandi branch cant be accepted as neutral.)

Here I cannot agree with you. He has criticised Deoband for its regressive ideology not becuase he is personally an Ahmedi. His writings on the subject are in public domain. As a matter of fact he has never been a blind believer in Ahmediism either.

(HIS FAVORITE AUTHOR STANLEY WOLPERT HAS ALSO BLAMED MUSLIMS FOR STARTING THAT VIOLENCE. )

Can you quote the extracts. Thanks in advance.

Regards

Hamdani
please when you send me e-mails write something in subject cuz I cant open em. there is nothing to click on.
S

I wish Hamdani could accept my challenge instead he is fooling around and trying to provoke me about Hayat Shaerpao assassination. Which already been proved that ANP was not involved. Some say Bhuuto assassinated him to create a martyr for his party to get sympathy votes and also blame his opponents for that. PPP history is full of violence and assassination of opponents. Bhutto attempted to assassinate Wali Khan: his political opponent 2 – 3 times and finally arrested him for conspiracy and thrown him and other opposition leaders into jail to hang them all. Bhutto was the guy who pushed for Operation Gibraltar which started 1965 war and also he was the political arm of the establishment which broke the country into two in 1971. Now the PPP activist tells us that someone else is involved in killings and breaking the country to hide his party’s crimes and fascism.

My point that he is not a neutral in both cases is a fact he belongs to a party which was the opponent of NAP and he belongs to a Ahmedi religion ( I am not sure about him but his father is) so his negative views about Deobandi branch cant be accepted as neutral. If I take a Congress activist who writes against Muslim league. He will be considered biased. The same way Muslim Leagui supported is considered biased when he writes “Negative” about Congress. That’s the rule. Regarding my views about Jinnah. I have nothing against him. And I am not out here writing ARTICLES (I have not written article against Jinnah or Bhutto anywhere) about Jinnah or Muslim League or even PPP or Bhutto. I am here only to defend Ghaffar Khan. And showing the mirror to Hamdani. Again I repeat that Ghaffar Khan Wali Khan Dr Khan Sahb are different personalities and had different political views different life styles different parties. Ghaffar Khan was not part of NAP or ANP.
One historical fact is that Wali Khan’s party NAP divided because Wali Khan Supported Jinnah’s sister Mohtarma Fatima Jinnah against the dictator General Ayub Khan in presidential elections. Where as Bhutto was part of the cabinet of Ayub Khan which also included American CIA agent Muhammed Shoab,

I don’t want go into these details now and my point that Muslim league was involved and started Violence against other Indians is a well known fact. here I am telling him that HIS FAVORITE AUTHOR STANLEY WOLPERT HAS ALSO BLAMED MUSLIMS FOR STARTING THAT VIOLENCE. Which he cannot believe.
His point that more Muslims were killed than Hindus is a fact but MuslimsLeague started it and caused the retaliation in which more Muslims died . So I gave him a challenge that I will prove that in front of all you. he so scared that he disappears when I challenge him and comes back when he sees other people have posted something so he can come and make his false accusations again.
HAMDANI ACCEPT CHALLENGE OR ACCEPT DEFEAT. Don’t say other things and respond to my challenge.

Manto,

What would be your reaction if Salman or VRV manage to provide evidence that incriminates Jinnah? What's your criteria for acceptable evidence?


P.S Tomorrow is a holiday...Any plan to distribute sweets?

About Suhrawardy, I suggest people read up on his life instead of relying on one-sided propaganda.

Mr. Suhrawardy was a remarkable man in many ways. He was also Pakistan's foremost activist for joint electorates and secular democracy in the 1950s. Infact barring Jinnah and Nehru, he was probably the most liberal and secular politician in all of South Asia.

He is also the founder of the "Awami League" and thus one of the founding fathers of Bangladesh.

Re: # 524

For me discussing things with Salman has opened up my eyes to how deeply hate-filled these ANP wallahs really are. I was under the impression that they are all good secular fellows like Adam Khan etc who are not hateful.

And so much for their non-violence and secularism. In the very first post the ANP activist posted here, he abused me for using "Hindu" authors. Then he attacked Ismailis and Qadianis.

Today being a slow day I spent much of today reading about Hayat Khan Sherpao. He was truly a great man. What a waste.

Now I see why you call these fellows traitors.

Re: # 528

Majumdar,

MKG stayed at Suhrawardy's insistence.....

Do you find the difference in a cop staying with a prisoner? Just because a cop enters the prison doesn't make him a prisoner...

P.S. Maju Anna, for gods sake Vengat isn't a spelling mistake. Now stop typing Venkat...Vengat is the right one and has meaning...

If they had practiced, MKG would have chronicled :D

Re: # 526

Ofcourse I am only speaking for Jinnah.

Also I did not say Hindus killed Hindus. If you look at Direct Action Day body count, you will see that Muslims were on the receiving end.

Majumdar to VRV,

"But none of your posts seem to indict MAJ (pbuh) personally, there is no evidence that he incited violence or that he encouraged a bloodbath against anyone."

Exactly. Jinnah was- as I have always said- the most consistently and constitutionally Non-violent politician in South Asia. Unfortunately many Indians and their Bachaite toadies have a problem accepting this fact of history.

Venkat,

(Gandhi established his stand by staying with Suhrawardy in the same room.)

And Suhrawardy established his stand by staying with MKG in the same room. So what's the point?

Regards

PS: I hope they didnt practise any brahmacharya together!!!