The ANP Challenge

VRV sahib,

Re: 499/500/501/503/504/505/507/509/510/512/514/515

Thanks. That was quite informative. You may be quite right that the Bengal govt failed in its duty and that Suhrawardy was a worthless communalist. As a matter of fact most ML fellows apart from the J-man were useless toadies and self-seekers.

But none of your posts seem to indict MAJ (pbuh) personally, there is no evidence that he incited violence or that he encouraged a bloodbath against anyone.

Regards

Re: # 523

"So then by that logic the absolute genocide of Muslims in gurdaspur was directly Gandhi's doing right."

Gandhi established his stand by staying with Suhrawardy in the same room. No INA Gandhian guy would have dared to think otherwise.

Now, you trying to absolve Jinnah is perfectly plausible, but can you absolve all the MLs?

Nobody here says that Muslims killed Muslims rather Muslims killed Hindus and vice-versa...You almost said that Hindus killed Hindus...

Dear Salman,

I still await your answers and evidence to the questions asked.

#466 Posted by MantoLives Re: # 454

So are you saying that ANP activists were blowing up national leaders like Hayat Sherpao during the lifetime of Bacha Khan and Wali Khan?

Yes that's exactly what I'm saying.

What does that say about their non-violent credentials?

Manto Bhai, NAP (ANP) is/was the MQM of NWFP. Same thing. Ditto. Non-violent? My foot! Need I say more?

So then by that logic the absolute genocide of Muslims in gurdaspur was directly Gandhi's doing right.

Please don't muddle the discussion here like VRV has simply because he could not produce what Majumdar asked for.

Re: # 521

Why would the congress Muslims kill Hindus or vice-versa?

Re: # 519

So in other words nationalist Muslims of the Congress would also be Muslim leaguers.

Dear VRV,

I have already shown how you've lied and have distorted the sources. Now in the future kindly put quotes in "".

I am glad you've admitted that you had no answer to Majumdar's query.

Manto writes:

"1. Muslim League claimed to be the representative party of the Muslims because it won the elections. Now if a Muslim A, B or C does something somewhere, how is that the Muslim League.. several Muslims tried to assassinate Jinnah... were they Muslim Leaguers too?"

Now thats technically an impregnable argument ;). If thats the case, can we argue that Muslims killed Muslims and Hindus? I mean if the entire violence were not the manifestations of ML's and INA's agendas, atleast that is what we have on books, can we attribute agendas that fall into the domain of unknown unknowns or known unknowns.

It is common knowledge that polarization happened on the lines of the two parties' stand. That is the most perceptible reason.

Yasserbhai,

Stew in ur own juices. I'd come back tmrw. I have a life to live and job to do.

In the meanwhile keep propping up ur article and provoke more posts and be called a successful writer.

Good luck.

Salman,

If Yasser ever tries to be in politics, pl see that this guy is opposed as he never want peace with India but perpetual war.

By the way, most of what is quoted below is VRV's own words and fails verification of sources.

I think I can rest my case given VRV's sudden attack of hysteria where he has now ceased to make any sense whatsoever.

Keep up the good work VRV. I want 600 posts by the time I come back.

FOR THOSE INTERESTED IN HISTORY OF DIRECT ACTION DAY:

Sir Francis Tuker on Direct Action Day (relevant portions are culled for the sake of brevity): Mr. Tuker is in-charge of the army of Eastern command.



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Direct Action Day speech by Suhrawardy:

.........Direct Action Day would prove to be the first step towards the Muslim struggle for emancipation..............


Sir Francis Tuker :

Our intelligence patrols noticed that the crowd included a large number of Muslim goondas, and that these slipped away from the meeting from time to time, their ranks being swelled as soon as the meeting ended. They made for the shopping centres of the town where they at once set to work to loot and burn Hindu shops and houses.



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VRV,

1. I am afraid Tuker didn't say who started it. He also said that the Hindus and Sikhs were armed with guns and swords and were riding on buses. Who brought Sikhs into Calcutta and gave them arms? Was it the ML?

2. I am asking you to quote Suhrawardy's book. Why don't you? This is not the first time you've made this claim and run away. What is it with you apologists for Congress and making up lies?

3. I have already explained that your comment that Muslim League would create disorder where they were in government does not make sense.

4. This pokes a big hole in your lies against the Muslim League.

``Last weekend has seen dreadful riots in Calcutta. The estimates of casualties is 3000 dead and 17000 injured. The Bengal Congress are convinced that all the trouble was deliberately engineered by the Muslim League Ministry, but no satisfactory evidence to that effect has reached me yet. It is said that the decision to have a public holiday on 16th August was the cause of trouble, but I think this is very far-fetched. There was a public holiday in Sind and there was no trouble there. At any rate, whatever the causes of the outbreak, when it started, the Hindus and Sikhs were every bit as fierce as Muslims. The present estimate is that appreciably more Muslims were killed than the Hindus``

And this H V Hodson - someone who was there in India at the time:

``The working committee followed up by calling on Muslims through out India to observe 16th August as direct action day. On that Day meeting would be held all over the country to explain League`s resolution. These meetings and processions passed of- as was manifestly the Central league leaders` intention- without more than commonplace and limited disturbance with one vast and tragic exception... what happened was more than anyone could have foreseen.``

(Page 166 `The Great Divide`)

In the meanwhile I quote these portions from Freedom at Midnight by Larry Collins and Dominique Lapierre. Both Collins and Lapierre are Hindus (wink) and Congressmen (double wink).

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Page 33:

At the dawn on 16 August, howling in a quasi-religious fervour, Moslem mobs had come bursting from their slums, waving clubs, shovels, any instrument capable of SMASHING IN A HUMAN SKULL. They came in answer to a call issued by the Moslem League, proclaiming 16 August `Direct Action Day`, to prove Britain and Congress Party that India`s Moslems were prepared `to get Pakistan for themselves by ``Direct Action`` if necessary`.

They savagely beat to a sodden pulp any Hindus in their path and stuffed their remains in the city`s open gutters. The terrified police simply disappeared. Soon tall pillars of black smoke stretched up from a score of spots in the city, Hindu bazars in full blaze.


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The threat that Muslims had been uttering for years, their warnings of cataclysm which would overtake India if they were denied their own state, took on a terrifying reality.

(MANTO, THE AUTHORS ARE WRITING ABT PEOPLE LIKE YOU!)

History, beyond that written by his own people, would NEVER ACCORD MOHAMMED ALI JINNAH THE HIGH PLACE HIS ACHIEVEMENTS MERITED.

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Harish wrote:

#506 Posted by harish_hyd on September 18, 2006 11:36:05 pm
#500 by Mantolives

Collins and Lapierre`s book was entirely based on Mountbatten`s views...

Prove it. Just because you say it doesn`t mean it is true. And we all know your track record.

Jinnah of Pakistan is by Stanley Wolpert- an American, .....

Wolpert in his book Gandhi`s Passion says it was Muslim mobs that started the cycle of violence in Calcutta on August 16th.

I`ve found no evidence of muslim league involvement in calcutta killings and appreciably larger number of Muslims died than Hindus

So how is the fact that more Muslims died evidence of the ML`s innocence?

Tomes have been written about how the ML`s provocative language and Jinnah`s aggressive overtures could lead to violence. Almost every newspaper foresaw what was going to happen. Suhrawardy, Jinnah`s blue-eyed boy, declared a holiday to the Police despite the tense atmosphere on August 16 and Jinnah did squat about that. The man himself was sleeping on the floors and didn`t speak a word to his constituency about stopping the violence until after 5 days when the violence had died down.

And yet Yasser thinks Jinnah was innocent...sure...