Pakistan, a Different Country!

majumdar writes "Who has described West as their religion and USA as their God."

Here I specifically refer to tahmed, hamid and the few others who get all worked up at my posts and unconditionally support the US in its every atrocity, Hamid uses exact words from GWBs speeches as if they were his own. You are different in degree only, like I said youre a fake, and words mean little coming from fakes, you accuse me of blaming the US elite for earthquakes, repeat arguments that have been answered already to fool the people regarding my claims, and knowing my answers full well you give the impression that you are "sincere"- look deep inside your "gireban", even this post of yours was to distract from my very valid points regarding the abuse criers...Leave my posts alone, go bother someone else...

nkg writes "The culture and value people inherit from their previous generations matters most in the upbringing.."

It is quite prepostrous on your part to hit a sociologist with "culture and values" to make your point- culture and values are not independant of the wider social strcuture in which they develop, if the wider structure alienates you and rejects you, a counter culture is the end result regardless of whether the person is a Muslim or a Jew. Also, regardless of personal racism, which is distasteful but not as harmful as institutional racism, the Jews, well incorporated into the power strcuture in both Europe and the US are certainly not institutionally discriminated against unlike the Muslims of India or the AA in the US.


Now wait and watch the hyenas attack this post of mine not even addressed to them with all kinds of BS and insults and then after they are beaten back, the whole pack of them, they will cry foul and complain about "abuse".

Masadi sahib,

(The fact is my posts shake the very foundations of their religion, one in which the West and particularly America is "god". )

Who has described West as their religion and USA as their God. Pls read my post #158 wherein I have described American interference in Pak's internal affair as a bad one.

Regards

majumdar writes "But Masadi wud attribute everything including the Balakot earthquake to American interference"

Where in this article or any other article have I done that when I talk about the US elite I do it with an institutional context and they dominate our dominant institution.

Regarding the others who are complaining about "abuse", that is a cheap excuse for them to hide the inadequacy of their own ideas and their stumped nature in face of the article under. They are afraid of my ideas for certainly mild statements like "peon of the west", "worshipper of the white man and his ****", fool, moron, ignoramus etc are no big abuse. Further such is reserved for those who either lie about my work, or are justifying US atrocities as if nothing has happened. Further, note the hypocrisy of these posters, they complain about my "abuse" yet in these posts have lumped all kinds of abuse on me.

The fact is my posts shake the very foundations of their religion, one in which the West and particularly America is "god". This reaction by them and the miserable chowk staff that censor me continually just for my ideas, and altered their entire system of ilog display on the front page just to keep me out tells me quite clearly that they cannot handle the truth when it interferes with their religion....

#164 bjkumar: i give up. have a good night.

Perhaps chowk's idealism is like Mushy's "genuine" democracy - it only works to the satisfaction of selected few!

And it pays off just as much - like those chowk writers' salaries!

#163

Respectfully, it is YOU who is not addressing the issues and going wishy-washy instead.

bjkumar #160 you keep repeating yourself on this, but you obviously missed my post #149 where i already responded to exactly this.

Re: # 140

hamidm2

Dear sir,

Everyone deserves the chance to be heard no matter how peverse it may sound. You have the right to ignore but not the right to suppress, if we are to pick and choose then there we too shall be guilty of being partial and selective.

With regards

Arif

what's this prophetboy!!!! the hellfires are still coming down?!!

Missile hits Pakistan's Waziristan, 8 suspects dead
Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:24pm EST


By Hafiz Wazir

WANA, Pakistan (Reuters) - A missile struck a house in a Pakistani region known as a safe haven for al Qaeda militants early on Thursday, killing at least eight people, residents and intelligence officials said.

The attack took place near Kaloosha village in the South Waziristan tribal region on the Afghan border.

"The blast shook the entire area, about eight people were killed," Behlool Khan, a resident of the area, told Reuters.

A security official said he believed the missile was fired by U.S. forces, who are operating in neighboring Afghanistan.

U.S. forces have fired missiles at militants on the Pakistani side of the border several times in recent years, most recently in late January when one of Osama bin Laden's top lieutenants, Abu Laith al-Libi, was killed.

That missile was believed to have been fired by a U.S. pilotless drone.

However, neither U.S. nor Pakistani authorities officially confirm U.S. missile attacks on Pakistani territory, which would be an infringement of Pakistani sovereignty.

Pakistan, an important U.S. ally despite widespread public opposition to the U.S.-led campaign against al Qaeda and the Taliban, says foreign troops would never be allowed to operate on its territory.

Many al Qaeda members, including Uzbeks and Arabs, and Taliban militants took refuge in North and South Waziristan, as well as in other areas on the Pakistani side of the border after U.S.-led forces ousted the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2001.

From sanctuaries in the lawless border belt, the Taliban have orchestrated their insurgency against the Afghan government and the U.S. and NATO forces supporting it.

Increasingly, so-called Pakistani Taliban have been mounting attacks in Pakistani towns and cities, many aimed at security forces and other government targets.

(Additional reporting by Alamgir Bitani; Writing by Zeeshan Haider; Editing by Robert Birsel and Sanjeev Miglani)

Now Tauheed sahib, Hamidm2 has already answered this question, let's see what you say.

If you don't like what miaN Masadi says why don't you ignore him instead of provoking him and riling him up?

Are you - like the Hamidm2 - trying to save impressionable minds, too?

#157

[tolerating an abusive poster is idealism]

Where did I say that?

Let me repeat - if an interactor is abusive, it is the job of the chowk-staff to deal with him or her per the "guidelines".

Failure to do so is incompetence.

Deliberate failure to do so is hypocrisy!

All of that has nothing to do with a written piece which should be judged on its own merit and not based on whether the editor likes the writer or not!

HP sain,

USA has certainly has had a major role in Pakistan's internal affairs and much of that influence has been very malign there is no question about that. Repeatedly backing military dictators. Creation of the Afghan jihad and support to Zia's regime. And it is often forgotten that the Talibs had an initial American backing too!!!

But Masadi wud attribute everything including the Balakot earthquake to American interference.

Regards

bjkumar: tolerating an abusive poster is idealism? i think you have some issues to deal with, as dr phil would say.

Goodnight, gentlemen!

#140 Posted by hamidm2

"but the only thing i see in his piece of crap is a repitition of the same old us elite conspiracy theory with yet another twisted twist ......."

Okay that is precisely the reason I would rather see this published so that you can actually prove that his is a conspiracy theory.
Nothing becomes a conspiracy theory unless you show the reasons that make it a conspiracy theory...

Consider the following:

1. Do you think the US has some role in Pakistani politics especially after 9/11?
The activities of the US ambassador and daily statements from different secretaries including today from Gates, presence of three US senators during the election day and their meeting with Mush the first thing in the morning after the elections, do show that US has some interest. How come exploring and discussing the US interest becomes a conspiracy theory, wouldn't you like to explain that?

2. The Pak army has been running the country for the last 9 years and it took some efforts from the people of Pakistan and several statements from the US president to take the skin off Mush which means the Pak army has some interest in running the country. How come discussing the Pak army role in the Pakistan state affairs qualify as conspiracy theory?

3. Pakistani politicians have some bad decisions behind them in the past. They have made several mistakes and possibly could again be trapped by several interested groups. How come discussing politicians’ shortcomings and previous errors can be called conspiracy theory?

That’s all Asadi is discussing and if you think his theories are flawed then you can show it to him by presenting your pov.

In fact, I fully intend to show to asadi where he is making mistakes in his analysis and would let him prove me wrong. Why can't others do that?