Pakistan, a Different Country!

Have no doubts about it, US law enforcement are thugs and swines of the higest calibre. Stay away from them because touting the IT miracle and kissing their a$$ wont get you off their"cockroach list" if you don't have the color of skin (and European documents) to match.

bjk writes "Therefore, it is highly unlikely that you will find any official documents to support your contention that Pakistanis are to be treated differently"

DWB is also not official but is practiced, the color of your skin and facial hair determines behavior of the rednecks in law enforcement including US customs officials and ICE when a document (i.e. your passport is not visible). Pakistan has become notoriously famous among these thugs because of the status the US has given it in the farcial WOT. I have had relatives of all skin tones that have been harassed because of the passport they carried...moreso in the UK (doing its master's bidding) than in the US.

anil writes "You started abusing cycle with me"

Nonsense, you follow me around like a jamadar and throw in your nonsense abusive posts to make non existant points while making a damn fool of yourself. Leave my posts alone, I do not argue with Harvard Business School graduates (or their wannabes)

Re: # 278

Massaddi Mian:

You started abusing cycle with me. I will be the first one to be nice with you, if you would be nice to me.

Anil writes "and want to hide behind the nicety of thanking someone.

Get over it, since you have said on Chowk that your parents are Elites in Pakistan"


So it is damned if I do and damned if I don't. If I am politie I'm "hiding behind niceties", If I'm rude, I'm abusing. So what the hell should I do? By the way my parents were never elites and I never claimed that they were, you need to read what I say more closely which was merely that my education etc are more a result of my priviliaged background rather than anything MAJ did. A privilaged background does not imply elite parents. If my parents did what the US elite do, I would similarly condemn them....

#276 Posted by bjkumar on February 29, 2008 2:24:03 pm


US laws for immigrant and non-immigrant visas are not country-specific.


It's public information...read the immigration forum links..even the pakis know that their visas are cleared in DC...it was even in the papers.


I think that creating country-specific rules or regulations (other than advisories) itself may be a violation of some US laws.

The US can create any law it bloody well pleases when giving visas to citizens of other countries..Not just that, it can create laws that restrict it's citizens from going to certain countries...

pakis were the first people required to register and get fingerprinted...

US pushes for visa control on Pakistani Britons

By Alex Spillius in Washington and Philip Johnston
Last Updated: 6:12am BST 05/05/2007

# Your view: Should US refuse to admit British Pakistanis without visas?

Travel restrictions could be imposed by America on 800,000 British citizens of Pakistani origin because of concerns about terrorism, it emerged yesterday.


The move has been prompted by fears that British Muslim men were behind several major bomb plots.

Michael Chertoff, the US homeland security secretary, has reportedly told the Government that British Pakistanis should apply for a visa before travelling to America.

#various Arjun_5

I know you and Tauheed sahib are very fond of each other and perhaps I should not jump in...phir bhi

US laws for immigrant and non-immigrant visas are not country-specific. They are generic and their language is the same irrespective of country. (I think that creating country-specific rules or regulations (other than advisories) itself may be a violation of some US laws.)

Therefore, it is highly unlikely that you will find any official documents to support your contention that Pakistanis are to be treated differently from other nationalities as far as being admitted to the USA is concerned. (I checked the ones you referred to.)

Now, before Tauheed sahib proclaims victory, let me clarify something else.

The above is in theory. It is just like US laws which prohibit discrimination against people of color or other type of minorities. Just because it is not supposed to happen on paper does not mean it does not happen in real life. Ask many law-abiding minority members (particularly from inner cities) and many of them will have tales of how they were unfairly pulled over or treated to other treatments based on their looks. If that happens, it is not so difficult to look at it from the cop's point of view - the race, and physical looks may be a flag for further examination - not because the cop is a racist but he wishes to get to the "results" quickly and thinks that will happen if he creates a shorter list.

The reality is that DHS has been strengthened, it has more resources than it had available and its agents - being human - follow the same human instincts to try to get to results quickly. It won't surprise me if they do some kind of short listing, but I doubt very much that those would be "official" acts.

now...prophet tahmed(pbuh)


please tell us...why was pakiland first on the list of countries for the registration and fingerprinting requirements?

why did chertoff ask the brits for advance information on british citizens of the paki persuasion?

prophet tahmed(pbuy):

here's some more top secret information..might want to read the section about clearance...

http://www.usefpakistan.org/gfaq.html

What's this prophetboy? It seems like i've stumbled onto top secret information...

http://www.iso.rochester.edu/visadelays.htm

lookie here prophetboy...

http://karachi.usconsulate.gov/karachi/niv_non_immigrant_visa_f aqs.html

lookie here prophetboy

http://www.hio.harvard.edu/students_scholars/travel/travel_advisor y.php

Visa Delays

The most common reasons for non-immigrant visa delays or denials are the following:

1) Intending immigrant

Most often the reason for a denial has to do with the student or scholar's presumed intent to immigrate to the United States, known as 214(b). It is often difficult to disprove this accusation as it is by it's very nature very subjective. For guidance from the DOS on this topic, review the following information here.

2) Security clearances for some visa applications

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS), together with the DOS have indicated that the process of issuing visas to some individuals will be slowed due to “name check” security clearances. The DOS has stated that their goal is to issue the security clearances within a 30-day period.

The following categories are used to determine who may be subject to this process.

By citizenship, nationality or country of birth

Special scrutiny is now imposed on visa applicants who were born in or are nationals or citizens of certain countries. The list has varied since 2001, and it is often unclear whether or not a particular country is still officially on the list or not. The list was originally designed to apply to male visa applicants between the ages of 16 and 45. However this designation has not been applied consistently, and female applicants have also been subject to security procedures.

In fact there are two lists of countries. The first list has been in place consistently for many years as countries the DOS has identified as “state sponsors of terrorism”. Male and female visa applicants from these countries are subject to security clearance procedures :

A security clearance may also be required by the U.S. consulate if a visa applicant is born in or is a citizen or national of certain countries. The list of countries is not published, but seems to include the following:

Afghanistan, Algeria, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Cuba, Djibouti, Egypt, Eritrea, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Malaysia, Morocco, North Korea, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, Yemen, and the territories of Gaza and West Bank. This list will continue to change.

#265 Posted by tahmed32 on February 29, 2008 11:31:02 am


no country goes around informing pandit-spites about their visa clearing procedures.


prophetboy. the information is out in the public domain. ask any of your paki cousins.

Yep, HP goes scot free - means no paki is getting rough treatment at airports... even though other pakis are crying hoarse about the cavity search they get at US airports... writing articles and what not on their experiences...

#265 Posted by tahmed32

I have been a frequent traveler in the US and have never had anyone stop me at any place on any US airport. In fact, I have won many arguments with the security people over the size of my tooth paste and shaving cream cans.

I recently came back from Pakistan and no one finger printed me nor did they take any picture. So I don't know where this unperson you are trying to communicate gets his information. (Guess Bharat-Rakshak.com)He is perhaps not seen the inside of a US airport after the he left one after entry on a tourist visa!

Re: # 248 Posted by hamidm2 on February 29, 2008 8:20:06 am

hamid mian,

[... the only person who takes you seriously is me (now that should really worry you!)] and why do you do that?