Pakistan, a Different Country!

what's this prophetboy!!!! the hellfires are still coming down?!!

Missile hits Pakistan's Waziristan, 8 suspects dead
Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:24pm EST


By Hafiz Wazir

WANA, Pakistan (Reuters) - A missile struck a house in a Pakistani region known as a safe haven for al Qaeda militants early on Thursday, killing at least eight people, residents and intelligence officials said.

The attack took place near Kaloosha village in the South Waziristan tribal region on the Afghan border.

"The blast shook the entire area, about eight people were killed," Behlool Khan, a resident of the area, told Reuters.

A security official said he believed the missile was fired by U.S. forces, who are operating in neighboring Afghanistan.

U.S. forces have fired missiles at militants on the Pakistani side of the border several times in recent years, most recently in late January when one of Osama bin Laden's top lieutenants, Abu Laith al-Libi, was killed.

That missile was believed to have been fired by a U.S. pilotless drone.

However, neither U.S. nor Pakistani authorities officially confirm U.S. missile attacks on Pakistani territory, which would be an infringement of Pakistani sovereignty.

Pakistan, an important U.S. ally despite widespread public opposition to the U.S.-led campaign against al Qaeda and the Taliban, says foreign troops would never be allowed to operate on its territory.

Many al Qaeda members, including Uzbeks and Arabs, and Taliban militants took refuge in North and South Waziristan, as well as in other areas on the Pakistani side of the border after U.S.-led forces ousted the Taliban in Afghanistan in 2001.

From sanctuaries in the lawless border belt, the Taliban have orchestrated their insurgency against the Afghan government and the U.S. and NATO forces supporting it.

Increasingly, so-called Pakistani Taliban have been mounting attacks in Pakistani towns and cities, many aimed at security forces and other government targets.

(Additional reporting by Alamgir Bitani; Writing by Zeeshan Haider; Editing by Robert Birsel and Sanjeev Miglani)

Re: # 140

hamidm2

Dear sir,

Everyone deserves the chance to be heard no matter how peverse it may sound. You have the right to ignore but not the right to suppress, if we are to pick and choose then there we too shall be guilty of being partial and selective.

With regards

Arif

bjkumar #160 you keep repeating yourself on this, but you obviously missed my post #149 where i already responded to exactly this.

#163

Respectfully, it is YOU who is not addressing the issues and going wishy-washy instead.

Perhaps chowk's idealism is like Mushy's "genuine" democracy - it only works to the satisfaction of selected few!

And it pays off just as much - like those chowk writers' salaries!

#164 bjkumar: i give up. have a good night.

majumdar writes "But Masadi wud attribute everything including the Balakot earthquake to American interference"

Where in this article or any other article have I done that when I talk about the US elite I do it with an institutional context and they dominate our dominant institution.

Regarding the others who are complaining about "abuse", that is a cheap excuse for them to hide the inadequacy of their own ideas and their stumped nature in face of the article under. They are afraid of my ideas for certainly mild statements like "peon of the west", "worshipper of the white man and his ****", fool, moron, ignoramus etc are no big abuse. Further such is reserved for those who either lie about my work, or are justifying US atrocities as if nothing has happened. Further, note the hypocrisy of these posters, they complain about my "abuse" yet in these posts have lumped all kinds of abuse on me.

The fact is my posts shake the very foundations of their religion, one in which the West and particularly America is "god". This reaction by them and the miserable chowk staff that censor me continually just for my ideas, and altered their entire system of ilog display on the front page just to keep me out tells me quite clearly that they cannot handle the truth when it interferes with their religion....

Masadi sahib,

(The fact is my posts shake the very foundations of their religion, one in which the West and particularly America is "god". )

Who has described West as their religion and USA as their God. Pls read my post #158 wherein I have described American interference in Pak's internal affair as a bad one.

Regards

nkg writes "The culture and value people inherit from their previous generations matters most in the upbringing.."

It is quite prepostrous on your part to hit a sociologist with "culture and values" to make your point- culture and values are not independant of the wider social strcuture in which they develop, if the wider structure alienates you and rejects you, a counter culture is the end result regardless of whether the person is a Muslim or a Jew. Also, regardless of personal racism, which is distasteful but not as harmful as institutional racism, the Jews, well incorporated into the power strcuture in both Europe and the US are certainly not institutionally discriminated against unlike the Muslims of India or the AA in the US.


Now wait and watch the hyenas attack this post of mine not even addressed to them with all kinds of BS and insults and then after they are beaten back, the whole pack of them, they will cry foul and complain about "abuse".

majumdar writes "Who has described West as their religion and USA as their God."

Here I specifically refer to tahmed, hamid and the few others who get all worked up at my posts and unconditionally support the US in its every atrocity, Hamid uses exact words from GWBs speeches as if they were his own. You are different in degree only, like I said youre a fake, and words mean little coming from fakes, you accuse me of blaming the US elite for earthquakes, repeat arguments that have been answered already to fool the people regarding my claims, and knowing my answers full well you give the impression that you are "sincere"- look deep inside your "gireban", even this post of yours was to distract from my very valid points regarding the abuse criers...Leave my posts alone, go bother someone else...

Masadi sahib,

And I see that you have refused to take up my challenge in #153 to set up a poll on Chowk UP on MAJ (pbuh).

Regards

re786 writes "(1) You give too much credit to gringo, they too have their fair share of idiots who cannot think beyond tomorrow.

(2) If people disagree with u that does not in any way mean or imply they support or condone US atrocities"

1) I certainly do not, when their actions are untidy and produce unwanted consequences for them like the lawyers movement, or when they unite people like they did after BB's assassination or when their peon feels too independant after a while or when their subordinate military alienates the people who start hating them- all these do not show that the "gringo" is either all powerful or "all thinking". Finally the end where I suggest the protests will liberate this nation also does not suggest the all powerful nature of the "gringo".

You assume things about my writings and then with those blinders you ignore the gist of my articles.

(2)By supporting US atrocities, I mean exactly that like tahmed justifying the US invasion of Iraq or the Israeli destruction of Lebanon because a soldier had been kidnapped while ignoring Israeli daily incursions into Lebanese airspace, or when they deliberately try to mask US atrocities by trying to show that even though the US dominates institutions economic, political and military, their victims are somehow responsible for their own misery- these kinds of people I will not tolerate and your best bet if you don't want to see me take care of their posts here is to ban me...

Majumdar writes "And I see that you have refused to take up my challenge in #153 to set up a poll on Chowk ..."

I didn't read that post and given your fake nature I will probably not be reading many of your posts. You throw them in for distraction purposes. My purpose here is not to change people's minds but to present the facts and truth and argue out my case. Whether they accept or reject it is upto them. Chowk visitors and active chowk posters are different. If you set up a poll it will be biased because the active chowk posters by their reaction to my posts have shown us that their decision is based more on my personality rather than the contents of my posts.

later...

Masadi sahib,

Agreed Tahmed, YLH and Hamid are biassed against you and will vote against you. But there is a huge number of Paki Muslims on chowk who have nothing against you, surely they can give their honest views on a Chowk UP poll on MAJ. What are you afraid of?

(given your fake nature)

Why do you say that I am a fake?

Regards

One more thing before I leave:

Hamid writes " now the fool is suggesting that this whole election thing was set up by folks in greenwich to keep the army in place, failing which they will break up pakistan ! ....... subhanallah ! ..."

Nonesense this is not what I wrote, the "fool (his words)" does not know how to read. I wrote that this election farce is a ploy to salvage the army from losing its hold in the power structure due to popular hatred of them, and to discredit the civilian politicians in the eyes of the public to make the military return more digestible to the people. However since this "stop gap" produces side effects and there are other ulterior motives involved, the US might abandon it soon in favor of a dismembered Pakistan. There was nothing in the article about the army breaking up Pakistan, even though it is facilitating it