Pervez Musharraf and India Pakistan Rapproachment

#96 dost mittar: i am glad we agree on something (irresponsible statements by advani after 1998 blasts). but ultimately they worked in Pakistan's favor - they tilted Nawaz Sharif in favor of the military viewpoint of responding in kind and against the US viewpoint (conveyed via direct phone call from Clinton) of taking the so-called "high road" and not responding.

This is one time the generals had it right - because by demonstrating its nuclear capability, Pakistan ushered in peace, albeit a perilous one based on the MAD (mutually assured destruction) doctrine.


This brings me to another problem I have with your blessing a militar dictator for bringing peace - Musharraf's kargill sabotage of the peace process between NS and Vajpayee was all the more irresponsible because it was done in the shadow of the MAD doctrine. This scoundrel could have caused a nuclear holocaust in South Asia!!

You may not agree with the above at first reading - but think about it and I think you will agree that this is indeed the case.

Re: # 106

Modi knows if he continues to perpetrate his ways, he will be whacked.

Karunanidhi has better credentials than Modi. He and his sons have not murdered as many as Modi did.

dost-mittar #112
If the assassins of your friend had been Bajrang Dal goons who had trained in Gujarat, you would not write an article but would agree with the statement as a matter of fact that "'Modi must be given credit for not having any riots after 2002'". Correct so far?

My question in #101 was if the assassins of your friend had been Bajrang Dal goons who had trained in Gujarat, would you refrain from holding Modi responsible for continuing to train goons for murder and rather give him credit for the lack of riots after 2002?

Dost,
The issue with the people of Pakistan was to loudly and clearly thwart the threat from within and tell the world that Musharraf is not indispensible.The majority of the nation is more moderate than him and reject his flawed thesis of enlightened moderation.
Cheerios

Was in Tashkent last week. Met a Pakistani youngster. Said he was flabbergasted at seeing see so much white pusey. Throughout his stay he did nothing but drink and fornicate. According to him you cannot see any firangs in Lahore, Rawalpindi and Peshawar. They all get abducted, he said.
Thanks to Musharraf?
Promised to visit again and again. He need not be so sure. A few years ago all Pakistanis had been unceremoniously bundled out of Uzbekistan, most, it appears, were trying to incite islamic fundamentalism among local population.

Re: # 114
In which respect Karunanidhi has better credentials? He has amassed wealth through unfair means. All his sons are goons and manipulate using money and muscle power.
If Modi is goon, he can not be popular in a progressive state like Gujrat. He is very popular amongst young and urban voters. A pennyless person like Modi can not get that overwhelming support without leadership quality and good execution.

Re: # 118

Karunanidhi has not killed as many as Modi managed to.

"If Modi is goon, he can not be popular in a progressive state like Gujrat. He is very popular amongst young and urban voters. A pennyless person like Modi can not get that overwhelming support without leadership quality and good execution. "

Who said goons cannot be popular with youth and urban voters? We saw what youth and urban voters, for Thugray, can do in Bombay. Even Karunanidhi was pennyless when he started his political career.

Dost

Peace between two countries is an outcome of similarities in values, hope and expectations. There is hardly anything in common between india and pakistan. Pakistan is an islamic country, the legal system is governed by islamic values, exemplified by hoodood ordinance and blasphemy laws.

Indians value education, always ready to claim nobel laurette, chandrashekhar as an india, while he is a long lost indian, an american citizen. Abdus salaam a pak citizen is never honoured in pakistan. For a long time I wrote on chowk arguing that an article be published on his birthday to honour him. No pakistani, has ever supported any notion of some sort of honouring of abdus salaam because he is an ahmadia. India, for hindus and muslims, abdul kalam is considered as the next gandhi.

What I have cited are reflections of the core values of the two societies and they are poles apart.

You will know that in india, bride burnings and now even femeale foetus killings are criminal offences. It was only a few years ago that pakistan changed the laws regarding rape and honour killings in an in-human way. India and pakistan are diverging in terms of social values, and all what you have identified are mere superficial changes that can be reversed in a day.

The divergence of teh central social values are on the increase as india embraces more of teh so called western values, whether they are good or bad. The mosr recent is the living together, equating it to marriage. In pakistan it is death to the female.

I recall that you visited pakistan, but denying the fundamentals do not help pakistan or india.

Re: # 119
Karunanidhi has not killed as many as Modi managed to.
Ans: How you know Modi is responsible for killing of more people than Karunanidhi?
Modi has improved law and order situation in Gujrat. Please provide with evidence and statistics to prove your point.
Narendra Modi is in politics for long time. He had the opportunity to amass wealth for long time. He has not opted that path. Neither he has allowed any of his family members to exploit his power. Karunanidhi has kept all his family members in politics and even ensures one of them will be minister to loot public money. Even Mr. Thackarey is better than Karunanidhi. At least, he speaks for Marathis in Mumbai.

Mush was forced to toe with NS line by USA. After 1998, both India and Pakistan was economically weaker for the burden of sanction. Pokhran test was mainly aiming China. When two people fight, they try to keep the pet dog aside. India is also trying to keep Pakistan aside for the larger struggle.

Iraquisation

There is one thing certain, pakistan will be iraquised, and indian troops will be in the forefront. Within a decade, mullahs will take over pakistan and the world is not going to tolerate an jihadi bomb.

Knock out the paki troops, the country will get divided as in iraq, and they will fight one another while the rest of the world can have some rest.

Dost,

Here is the final divergence proof from india. In pakistan a woman was killed in the office of a human rights activist, no one was charged with murder, because it was a honour killing, completely legal in pakistan. And here is a report from india. No two neihbours can be as far apart as pakistan and india in terms of social values, what people expect from the legal system, in terms of value of human life. The jihadification of the pak society has devalued the life, where people are being killed for a mobil;e phone, and routinely more than a hundred dead unclamied bodies are collected from karachi alone every week, one thing is certain, there is nothing in common between india and pakistan at the aggregate level. Individual levels are something very different, and that does not count at teh aggregate level.


Boss faces call-centre death case
Som Mittal
Mr Mittal faces a 1,000 rupee fine if he is found guilty
The boss of a call-centre worker who was raped and murdered on her way home from work in India is to be prosecuted for providing insufficient security.

Som Mittal was managing director of Hewlett-Packard GlobalSoft in 2005 when Pratibha Srikanth Murthy was killed.

Dost,

Here is the final divergence proof from india. In pakistan a woman was killed in the office of a human rights activist, no one was charged with murder, because it was a honour killing, completely legal in pakistan. And here is a report from india. No two neihbours can be as far apart as pakistan and india in terms of social values, what people expect from the legal system, in terms of value of human life. The jihadification of the pak society has devalued the life, where people are being killed for a mobil;e phone, and routinely more than a hundred dead unclamied bodies are collected from karachi alone every week, one thing is certain, there is nothing in common between india and pakistan at the aggregate level. Individual levels are something very different, and that does not count at teh aggregate level.


Boss faces call-centre death case
Som Mittal
Mr Mittal faces a 1,000 rupee fine if he is found guilty
The boss of a call-centre worker who was raped and murdered on her way home from work in India is to be prosecuted for providing insufficient security.

Som Mittal was managing director of Hewlett-Packard GlobalSoft in 2005 when Pratibha Srikanth Murthy was killed.

Are there no common things between Pakistanis and Indians ??..... There must be a lot of things if we look for it..... It is better to look for these things scale them up….

#113 Posted by tahmed32 on February 26, 2008 10:07:45 pm


This scoundrel could have caused a nuclear holocaust in South Asia!!


prophetboy: when the paki junta thought the mujahideen was winning, they were completely supportive of the kargil war..

it's only when the reality of the ass whooping and the abandoned dead bodies came to light that some pakis thought different...a majority of pakis still think mushy sneaking his army up abandoned mountains was tactically brilliant..

#93 Posted by dost_mittar on February 26, 2008 9:13:49 pm


What's wrong with resolving a problem that has been a festering wound for both countries?


are bhai..resolve, HOW?..

the pakis want indian kashmir...india - the new india, not the kuldip nayyar generation - won't give up an inch of what they have...neither are they interested in Pakistan occupied Kashmir...

so where's the resolution? you people keep saying resolution resolution but never say what a possible resolution could be...all I see in your post is a bunch of platitudes and wishful thinking...